The Battle of Armageddon

[journeymanisnothing]

In revelation 20,it shows the saints being surrounded by the nations when fire comes down from.heaven and devours the nations around the saints

Where are the saints located when the nations surround them?

All the resurrected believers who ever lived and have been walking around immortal in glorified bodies for a thousand years and no doubt now dwarf satans army are in a camp prepared for war. (Exactly where we are now, having eternal life right now, only without glorified bodies so unbelievers don't know we can't be killed.

So unbelievers go to kill people they now have seen for "a millenium" can't be killed.

Truthfully when I look at this scenario, it's so stupid you would have to completely blind to believe it that way.

I'm showing solid scriptural reason why anyone woukd even attempt to kill an Immortal. This coukd only happen if the murderer for some reason didn't know his foe could never be kilked again. Ok?

Revelation 20
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.


Are these saints located all over the world or are they located in a specific part of the world when Gog,Persia ,Ethiopia and Lybia surround them?

All the saints are gathered together in one place and that place is in Christ.

There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. [/b]Rom.8:1
The LORD also will be a refuge for the oppressed, a refuge in times of trouble. Psa.9:9
He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under [b{the shadow of the Almighty. [/b]Psa.91:1
My victory and honor come from God alone.
He is my refuge, a rock where no enemy can reach me. Psa.62.7 NLT

 

[journeymanisnothing]

Shilohsfoal ,
Interpret scripture from that point of view and the scriptures will unfold before you.

 

[journeymanisnothing]

The "Strong Delusion" is the Satanic lie that will deceive the earth that the "man of sin, son of destruction" false Christ, is "the Christ".

Then, after 3.5 years, after "ancient alien theory" replaces all belief in God, and the False Christ reveals he is the "seed of Satan", and the entire world believes the falsehood preached by the "evil Trinity", that Yahweh God is an oppressive Extraterrestrial Overlord who can be defeated at Armageddon by the Dragon and his Nephilim Army, combined with the Antichrist Beast's Army:

Then, after 3.5 years, after "ancient alien theory" replaces all belief in God, and the False Christ reveals he is the "seed of Satan", and the entire world believes the falsehood preached by the "evil Trinity", that Yahweh God is an oppressive Extraterrestrial Overlord who can be defeated at Armageddon by the Dragon and his Nephilim Army, combined with the Antichrist Beast's Army:

13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs coming out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 "Behold, I am coming as a thief. Blessed is he who watches, and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked and they see his shame."
16 And they gathered them together to the place called in Hebrew, Armageddon. (Rev. 16:13-16 NKJ)

God Will Allow the Strong Delusion of the Antichrist Test the Earth | End Time News

And for this reason God will send them strong (1753 ἐνέργεια energeia) delusion, that they should believe the lie, (2 Thess. 2:11 NKJ) God sends "the energy of delusion" so those who did not receive love of God's Truth (the Bible) will believe "the BIG LIE" (2 Thess. 2:11-12), the miracle...

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The 2 wars depicted in Rev. 19 & 20 are the same war being seem from 2 views.

Rev.19 shows Jesus as our Father always sees Him... and believers who follow Him like a virgin, pure,

he was transfigured before them. Mk.9:2
That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot,or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. Eoh.5:27 KJV

This is how God sees His people.

The world didn't see Him that or us that way. If they had, they would never have even tried to harm Him. Peter, James and John were tertified.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Shilohsfoal ,
Interpret scripture from that point of view and the scriptures will unfold before you.

I already understand the scripture.
You preach the resurrection in revelation 20 has already taken place.There are others like you.

2 Timothy 2
16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;

18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.


Seeing that you are profane as Hymenaeus and Philetus;I will simply shun you and your vain babbling.You have erred from.the truth.
Consider yourself ignored.You deserve it.

 

[journeymanisnothing]

As Shilohsfoal will not hear my response, I will answer His objections for otthers to comsider.

I already understand the scripture.
You preach the resurrection in revelation 20 has already taken place.There are others like you.

To be given a new glorified body, sinners must frst be made alive "in Christ" by faith and receive the seed of His Spirit.
This is what is know as being "born again, birn from above, having new life by faith in Jesus. This is the 1st resurrection.
The bodily resurrection (or 2nd resurrection) is where the seed planted shows what the plant is (wheat, fruitful tree vs weed/fruitless tree.

2 Timothy 2
16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;

18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

The bidily resurrection hasn't passed

Seeing that you are profane as Hymenaeus and Philetus;I will simply shun you and your vain babbling.You have erred from.the truth.
Consider yourself ignored.You deserve it.

The profane people who opposed Moses refused to repent of their sins and were not made alive in Christ before they perished.

Jesus went to war against the Roman beast and Babylon (false teaching of the scribes) and defeated them. That is the war shown in Rev.19. The saints who followed Him are all the faithful from beginning to end.

And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; andt hey loved not their lives unto the death. Rev.12:11

They followed Him in overcoming evil with good. By loving their enemies and turning them to Jesus.

 

[journeymanisnothing]

Then in Rev.20, The fire from Heaven (word previously testified to by Jesus) judges in the last day.

 

[journeymanisnothing]

Jer 23:29 - Is not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?

2Pe 3:7 - But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

 

[DavidT]

All of the wicked in Christs kingdom are destroyed at his coming.

Mathew 13:41-42
The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

The wicked outside his kingdom are not destroyed.They continue to live outside the millinial kingdom.Many will come from the east and west to the millinial kingdom but the occupants are cast out.

Mathew 8:11-12
I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven.
But the subjects of the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”


The occupants of the kingdom who are in Christ ,remain in the kingdom during the millinium.

Matthew 13 and Matthew 25 with the separation of the sheep and goats does not mention Christ's future "thousand years" reign of Revelation 20. That does not mean His "thousand years" reign does not happen, beginning at His future return, and the damned don't go into the "lake of fire" until after... His 1,000 years reign, as written.

Even Zechariah 14 shows you that not all the armies that come upon Jerusalem on the last day of this present world will be destroyed. Instead, they will be made to come up to Jerusalem from year to year and worship The KING, and keep the feast of tabernacles.

Even John 5:28-29, Jesus' Own words, says the "resurrection of damnation" happens on the day of His future return, along with the "resurrection of life". That's exactly the opposite of what man's false Amillennial doctrine suggests.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Matthew 13 and Matthew 25 with the separation of the sheep and goats does not mention Christ's future "thousand years" reign of Revelation 20. That does not mean His "thousand years" reign does not happen, beginning at His future return, and the damned don't go into the "lake of fire" until after... His 1,000 years reign, as written.

Even Zechariah 14 shows you that not all the armies that come upon Jerusalem on the last day of this present world will be destroyed. Instead, they will be made to come up to Jerusalem from year to year and worship The KING, and keep the feast of tabernacles.

Even John 5:28-29, Jesus' Own words, says the "resurrection of damnation" happens on the day of His future return, along with the "resurrection of life". That's exactly the opposite of what man's false Amillennial doctrine suggests.

The beast and the false prophet are both cast into the lake of fire before the millinium.
They have bodies that will be cast into the lake of fire.

Zech 14 shows only the people who recieve rain from.God going up to Jerusalem.The people who recieve no rain are consumed.


Hosea 6:3
Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth.

 

[DavidT]

The beast and the false prophet are both cast into the lake of fire before the millinium.
They have bodies that will be cast into the lake of fire.

So the 'beast' and 'false prophet' don't have to stand in Judgement at God's Great White Throne Judgment that only happens after... Christ's future "thousand years" reign, as written in Revelation 20?

Just WHO today has ALREADY been judged and sentenced to perdition in the "lake of fire"? ONLY Satan and his angels are already judged and sentenced to perish. NO flesh-born man has been judged and sentenced yet, not even Judas Iscariot.

So HOW... can that 'beast' and 'false prophet' actually be flesh-born men, like many just assume???

That 'beast' and 'false prophet' that perish in the "lake of fire" on the day of Jesus' future return represent ROLES that Satan will play as the false-Messiah. The idea of the 'beast' is not only about a beast kingdom, but a beast king also. Nebuchadnezzar served as a type of 'beast' king. Satan will be in the ROLE of beast king when he arrives at the end.

Lord Jesus was also known as a Prophet, even back in Moses' day when he prophesied of Jesus' future coming. Satan will serve the ROLE of that "false prophet" of Rev.16 also. Have you missed what the waters as a flood are that comes out of his mouth as the serpent against the symbolic 'woman' in Revelation 12? That's about Satan in the future ROLE as the "false prophet".

Both of those ROLES, the 'beast' (kingdom and role of the beast king), and the role of the 'false prophet' will be destroyed by Jesus in the "lake of fire" when He returns. But if you'll notice Rev.19:20, the "dragon" which is Satan, is NOT yet destroyed then.

So I find it strange that many go around in circles and create all kinds of illusions about who that beast and false prophet are. They are not flesh-born men, but instead are just ROLES like in a stage play that Satan as the false-Messiah will play when he sets himself up as GOD in Jerusalem for the end of this world.

Zech 14 shows only the people who recieve rain from.God going up to Jerusalem.The people who recieve no rain are consumed.

You are side-stepping the actual Zechariah 14 Scripture I pointed to...

Zech 14:16-19
16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
KJV

That "rain" in that time after Christ's future return is not... symbolic. It will be about real... rain from the sky falling upon the earth.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

So the 'beast' and 'false prophet' don't have to stand in Judgement at God's Great White Throne Judgment that only happens after... Christ's future "thousand years" reign, as written in Revelation 20?

Just WHO today has ALREADY been judged and sentenced to perdition in the "lake of fire"? ONLY Satan and his angels are already judged and sentenced to perish. NO flesh-born man has been judged and sentenced yet, not even Judas Iscariot.

So HOW... can that 'beast' and 'false prophet' actually be flesh-born men, like many just assume???

That 'beast' and 'false prophet' that perish in the "lake of fire" on the day of Jesus' future return represent ROLES that Satan will play as the false-Messiah. The idea of the 'beast' is not only about a beast kingdom, but a beast king also. Nebuchadnezzar served as a type of 'beast' king. Satan will be in the ROLE of beast king when he arrives at the end.

Lord Jesus was also known as a Prophet, even back in Moses' day when he prophesied of Jesus' future coming. Satan will serve the ROLE of that "false prophet" of Rev.16 also. Have you missed what the waters as a flood are that comes out of his mouth as the serpent against the symbolic 'woman' in Revelation 12? That's about Satan in the future ROLE as the "false prophet".

Both of those ROLES, the 'beast' (kingdom and role of the beast king), and the role of the 'false prophet' will be destroyed by Jesus in the "lake of fire" when He returns. But if you'll notice Rev.19:20, the "dragon" which is Satan, is NOT yet destroyed then.

So I find it strange that many go around in circles and create all kinds of illusions about who that beast and false prophet are. They are not flesh-born men, but instead are just ROLES like in a stage play that Satan as the false-Messiah will play when he sets himself up as GOD in Jerusalem for the end of this world.



You are side-stepping the actual Zechariah 14 Scripture I pointed to...

Zech 14:16-19
16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
KJV

That "rain" in that time after Christ's future return is not... symbolic. It will be about real... rain from the sky falling upon the earth.

Satan is not cast into the lake of fire when the beast and false prophet are and I'm not side stepping anything.Tuecenyire promised land with all the Muslims and antichrist Jews will be destroyed.The only people who are saved are the peoples who believe the gospel and are Baptised. The hose are the only people who will be going up to Jerusalem to keep the feast of Tabernacles.Everyone false is destroyed.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

So the 'beast' and 'false prophet' don't have to stand in Judgement at God's Great White Throne Judgment that only happens after... Christ's future "thousand years" reign, as written in Revelation 20?

Just WHO today has ALREADY been judged and sentenced to perdition in the "lake of fire"? ONLY Satan and his angels are already judged and sentenced to perish. NO flesh-born man has been judged and sentenced yet, not even Judas Iscariot.

So HOW... can that 'beast' and 'false prophet' actually be flesh-born men, like many just assume???

That 'beast' and 'false prophet' that perish in the "lake of fire" on the day of Jesus' future return represent ROLES that Satan will play as the false-Messiah. The idea of the 'beast' is not only about a beast kingdom, but a beast king also. Nebuchadnezzar served as a type of 'beast' king. Satan will be in the ROLE of beast king when he arrives at the end.

Lord Jesus was also known as a Prophet, even back in Moses' day when he prophesied of Jesus' future coming. Satan will serve the ROLE of that "false prophet" of Rev.16 also. Have you missed what the waters as a flood are that comes out of his mouth as the serpent against the symbolic 'woman' in Revelation 12? That's about Satan in the future ROLE as the "false prophet".

Both of those ROLES, the 'beast' (kingdom and role of the beast king), and the role of the 'false prophet' will be destroyed by Jesus in the "lake of fire" when He returns. But if you'll notice Rev.19:20, the "dragon" which is Satan, is NOT yet destroyed then.

So I find it strange that many go around in circles and create all kinds of illusions about who that beast and false prophet are. They are not flesh-born men, but instead are just ROLES like in a stage play that Satan as the false-Messiah will play when he sets himself up as GOD in Jerusalem for the end of this world.



You are side-stepping the actual Zechariah 14 Scripture I pointed to...

Zech 14:16-19
16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
KJV

That "rain" in that time after Christ's future return is not... symbolic. It will be about real... rain from the sky falling upon the earth

PS
Rain doesn't save. The baptism of the holy spirit does

Mark 16

15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

 

[DavidT]

Satan is not cast into the lake of fire when the beast and false prophet are and I'm not side stepping anything.Tuecenyire promised land with all the Muslims and antichrist Jews will be destroyed.The only people who are saved are the peoples who believe the gospel and are Baptised. The hose are the only people who will be going up to Jerusalem to keep the feast of Tabernacles.Everyone false is destroyed.

I never said Satan was cast into the lake of fire along with the beast and false prophet, per Rev.19:20. You're not gonna' start making things up I never said are you?

And you did... side-step the relevant Zechariah 14:16-19 Scripture that I posted. You instead spoke of rain in speculation. And you even said those nations that don't come up to Jerusalem to worship The KING will be consumed, which of course that Scripture does not... say they are consumed.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

I never said Satan was cast into the lake of fire along with the beast and false prophet, per Rev.19:20. You're not gonna' start making things up I never said are you?

And you did... side-step the relevant Zechariah 14:16-19 Scripture that I posted. You instead spoke of rain in speculation. And you even said those nations that don't come up to Jerusalem to worship The KING will be consumed, which of course that Scripture does not... say they are consumed.

You say scripture does not say this?

Read carefully .


18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the Lord will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.


The plague the Lord smites the nations that have no rain is they are consumed.


12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth




But you say scripture does not say what I just quoted from scripture.