The battle of Ezekiel 38 and it's timing.

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Ive not read one verse that says the ten horns support the harlot.All the scripture says is they hate her.
Let us see the scripture that supports your claim.

The only thing that supports the harlot is seven mountains on which she sits.
Rev17;9
And here is the mind which hath wisdom,The seven heads are seven mountains,on which the woman sitteth.

I am sure you have read Revelation 17. What has blocked you from seeing this when you read it?

Revelation 17
1 Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and talked with me, saying to me, “Come, I will show you the judgment of the great harlot who sits on many waters, 2 with whom the kings of the earth committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth were made drunk with the wine of her fornication.â€
3 So he carried me away in the Spirit into the wilderness. And I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast which was full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4 The woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls, having in her hand a golden cup full of abominations and the filthiness of her fornication. 5 And on her forehead a name was written:

MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

She is Sitting on. Being Supported By, the Beast with seven Heads And Ten Horns.

So initally she is supported by the 10 horns only later once she has served her purpose do they hate her and destroy her.



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[Codger]

Your post is the most useless post on this entire board much less this thread .

I notice that you didn't post any of your speculations that have come to pass in the last 63 years - because there aren't any. Futurists cannot, cannot, cannot, accept any historical fulfillment of any prophesy. If they start doing this - their never, never land of prophesies that they claim are unfulfilled and are hovering out ahead of us in yet our future would collapse and they would lose their sensational, spectacular, and exciting eschatology. Can't have that.

Futurists cannot commit to any of their endless speculations because they change with today's newspaper. All of the ones they have committed to in the past have failed and always will. You have to keep futurism in the future and not to publically commit to anything in order to be safe. And that's where it will always remain.

If you want to play in never - never land with Peter and Wendy for the rest of your life - I can't stop you - but at least you were warned.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

I notice that you didn't post any of your speculations that have come to pass in the last 63 years - because there aren't any. Futurists cannot, cannot, cannot, accept any historical fulfillment of any prophesy. If they start doing this - their never, never land of prophesies that they claim are unfulfilled and are hovering out ahead of us in yet our future would collapse and they would lose their sensational, spectacular, and exciting eschatology. Can't have that.

Futurists cannot commit to any of their endless speculations because they change with today's newspaper. All of the ones they have committed to in the past have failed and always will. You have to keep futurism in the future and not to publically commit to anything in order to be safe. And that's where it will always remain.

If you want to play in never - never land with Peter and Wendy for the rest of your life - I can't stop you - but at least you were warned.

I post history that has taken place in the last 63 years often.I dont call that history future as you call it though.
Even the topic you speak of is prophecy forfilled.But because you dont understand it,you have seen nothing forfilled.
It doesnt bother me that you are blind.The problem is you think you see.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

I am sure you have read Revelation 17. What has blocked you from seeing this when you read it?

Revelation 17
1 Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and talked with me, saying to me, “Come, I will show you the judgment of the great harlot who sits on many waters, 2 with whom the kings of the earth committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth were made drunk with the wine of her fornication.”
3 So he carried me away in the Spirit into the wilderness. And I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast which was full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4 The woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls, having in her hand a golden cup full of abominations and the filthiness of her fornication. 5 And on her forehead a name was written:

MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

She is Sitting on. Being Supported By, the Beast with seven Heads And Ten Horns.

So initally she is supported by the 10 horns only later once she has served her purpose do they hate her and destroy her.



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No adstar.She is sitting on seven mountains.
The woman is a city and that city is Jerusalem.

The 10 horns are not on those seven mountains anymore.They gave those seven mountains to the beast.

Rev 17;17
For God hath put it in thier hearts to forfill his will,and to agree,and give thier kingdom unto the beast,until the words of God shall be forfilled.

According to you.Those ten horns gave thier kingdom unto themselves.
No NO.They gave thier kingdom unto the beast proving the beast is not one of them.

With just two verses ,I can prove the woman worships the beast and will recieve the mark of the beast.

 

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No adstar.She is sitting on seven mountains.
The woman is a city and that city is Jerusalem.

The 10 horns are not on those seven mountains anymore.They gave those seven mountains to the beast.

Rev 17;17
For God hath put it in thier hearts to forfill his will,and to agree,and give thier kingdom unto the beast,until the words of God shall be forfilled.

According to you.Those ten horns gave thier kingdom unto themselves.
No NO.They gave thier kingdom unto the beast proving the beast is not one of them.

With just two verses ,I can prove the woman worships the beast and will recieve the mark of the beast.

Shilohsfoal i gave you a clear Verse. given in context that shows the harlot being supported by the Beast with the 7 heads and 10 horns, You are in denial holding onto your interpritation to the end. Why are you so loyal to your interpretation? Where the thoughts you have taught to you from a person you respect? Or did they originate from you.

Also i never said anything like that the 10 horns give the control of their kingdoms to themselves. So please do not put words into my mouth. The 10 Kings rule with the Beast as His deputies if you like and 3 of them in the end will be removed from their deputy positions.

Once again the Arab nation definitly did not give palistine over to the Jews and they definitly do not support Israel today. I believe the Beast will in fact defend Israel from the arabs by destroying thoes nations in a visious genocidal war where most of these Arab nations will be aniliated. The Beast needs to decieve and whiping out the violent jihadistic arab muslims will be greatly appreciated by the Jews as well as a lot of people around the world.

Look for nations that actually supported the state of Israel, Starting with the one who's act of parlament brought modern Israel into existance. Great Britian.


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[Timf]

Adstar,

It is sad that your interesting thread got hijacked by those who seek to quash any discussion of which they do not approve. In a way it is similar to so-called "science" threads on Christian web sites that are guarded by self-declared "experts" who shout down any opinion with which they do not agree.

In regard to your original question, the Ezekiel passage seems to not fit current conditions or pre-trib situations because of the "unwalled" requirement. In a similar way an end of the age application seems not to fit because of the seven year clean up and the restored temple activity.

It may be that a mid-trib application would meet the peaceful initial requirement and still provide time afterwards for the events described.

I would caution you against engaging in responses with those who seek to draw you into useless time wasting dialog where you just end up trying to dance to their tune while providing evidence that will never be acceptable.

As Christians we are supposed to grow into the image of Christ. This means we are to grow in wisdom and knowledge of the truth. There are those who can help us in this and there are those who hinder. I suggest that any time you can avoid engagement with mockers, accusers, and those who show sneering contempt is time that has been redeemed.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Shilohsfoal i gave you a clear Verse. given in context that shows the harlot being supported by the Beast with the 7 heads and 10 horns, You are in denial holding onto your interpritation to the end. Why are you so loyal to your interpretation? Where the thoughts you have taught to you from a person you respect? Or did they originate from you.

Also i never said anything like that the 10 horns give the control of their kingdoms to themselves. So please do not put words into my mouth. The 10 Kings rule with the Beast as His deputies if you like and 3 of them in the end will be removed from their deputy positions.

Once again the Arab nation definitly did not give palistine over to the Jews and they definitly do not support Israel today. I believe the Beast will in fact defend Israel from the arabs by destroying thoes nations in a visious genocidal war where most of these Arab nations will be aniliated. The Beast needs to decieve and whiping out the violent jihadistic arab muslims will be greatly appreciated by the Jews as well as a lot of people around the world.

Look for nations that actually supported the state of Israel, Starting with the one who's act of parlament brought modern Israel into existance. Great Britian.


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My interpretation comes from the prophecies being forfilled.When I say the ten king gave thier kingdom unto the beast as the book of Revelation says they do ,I understand who gave what to whom because it already happened.
Its history adstar.Why cant you understand what takes place before your own face?
Take the modern state of Israel coming out of Great Brittian as it did.Israel declared independace from Great Brittian.

On May 14, 1948, the day before the expiration of the British Mandate, the Jewish Agency proclaimed independence, naming the country Israel.

Again.This prophecy has been forfilled.
The little horn came out of the forth king of the west.That king representing Great Brittian.

Daniel 8;9
And out of one of them came forth a little horn,which waxed exeedingly great,toward the south,and toward the east,and toward the pleasant land.

And even though this little nation dwells in the pleasant land today alonside those ten nations,you still can not comprehend what is written after you have seen it.

As for the beast and those ten nations that it dwells with .The scripture says they dont get along.
Not only does the scripture say they dont get along .It says they are not alike.The little horn is diverse from the others.The reason why is those others are muslim.The little horn that dwells i the pleasant land is not.

Daniel 7;24
And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise;and another shall rise after them;and he shall be diverse from the first,and he shall subdue three kings.

Again.This little nation that dwells in the pleasant land defeated three of the ten.This prophecy has been forfilled.It was forfilled in 1967 and was called the 6 day war.The little horn subdued Egypt,Syria and Jordan in 6 days.
Since that time Jordan which was the last of those horns to dwell on the seven heads was plucked up and removed.None of those ten dwell on the seven heads anymore.Just one little nation which voted to call itself by the name of Israel.My interpretation is forfilled prophecy.

Even more proof that this little horn dwells in the land of Israel is the fact that after his kingdom has been consumed,It is given to the saints of the most High .
Daniel 7;27
And the kingdom and dominion,and the greatness of the kingdoim under the whole heaven,shall be given to the saints of the most High,whose kingdom ias an everlasting kingdom,and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

Do you understand what you are reading here?
The land of Israel will be given to the saints in Daniel 7;27.
These saints you are reading of are the same saints who dwell there 1000 years later when Gog comes upon the mountains of Israel.

Rev20;9
And they went up on the breadth of the earth,and compassed the camp of the saints about,and the beloved city;and fire came down from God out of heaven,and devoured them.

 

[Codger]

I post history that has taken place in the last 63 years often.I dont call that history future as you call it though.
Even the topic you speak of is prophecy forfilled.But because you dont understand it,you have seen nothing forfilled.
It doesnt bother me that you are blind.The problem is you think you see.

Still not one speculation that has come true in the last 63 years - I rest my case.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Still not one speculation that has come true in the last 63 years - I rest my case.

Quite a bit of prophecy has been forfilled in the last 63 year though.Its a shame you cant understand prophecy .
If you rest your case in front of me,I'll kick it.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Adstar,


In regard to your original question, the Ezekiel passage seems to not fit current conditions or pre-trib situations because of the "unwalled" requirement. In a similar way an end of the age application seems not to fit because of the seven year clean up and the restored temple activity.

It may be that a mid-trib application would meet the peaceful initial requirement and still provide time afterwards for the events described.

Adstar has placed the correct time to this event.
And the clean up is 7 months.Not seven years as you sudgest.

Ezekiel 39;12
And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them,that they may cleanse the land.

As for the restored temple as you call it.
Ezekiel never called it a restored temple.
Those are your words.

Ezekielk 43;7
And he said unto me,Son of man,the place of my throne,and the place of the soles of my feet,where I will dwell in the midst of the children of Israel for ever,and my holy name shall the house of Israel no more defile,neither they ,nor thier kings,by thier whoredom,nor by the carcases of thier kings in thier high places.

You dont really think God is going to dwell in a rebuilt temple made by man forever do you?

Acts 7;48-49
Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands;as saith the prophet.
Heaven is my throne,and earth is my footstool;what house will ye build me?saith the Lord;or what is the place of my rest?

I think God isnt going to dwell in your restored temple that you want someone to build for him.
I think he could come up with something a little better .

What did Ezekiel really see after the Gog Magog war though?
What Ezekiel saw was a city,same as John.

Ezekiel 40;2
In the visions of God brought he me into the land of Israel.and set me upon a very high mountain,by which was as a frame of a city on the south.

Rev 21;2
And I john saw the holy city,New Jerusalem,coming down from God out of heaven,prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Ezekiel described healing waters coming out of the house and gives life to whatever it comes too-see Ezekiel 47;1-9
John saw this same river and called it the water of life.
Rev 22;1
And he showed me a pure river of water of life,clear as crystal,proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

This sudgest that what Ezekiel saw was not a restored temple.
What Ezekiel saw after the Gog Magog war was in fact the city New Jerusalem.

 

[Codger]

Quite a bit of prophecy has been forfilled in the last 63 year though.Its a shame you cant understand prophecy .
If you rest your case in front of me,I'll kick it.

If there is "quite a bit of prophesy that has been fulfilled" - then you should be able to name at least one since 1948 that has been fulfilled.

Why would anyone waste their time with countless useless speculations that never come to pass?

 

[Shilohsfoal]

If there is "quite a bit of prophesy that has been fulfilled" - then you should be able to name at least one since 1948 that has been fulfilled.

Why would anyone waste their time with countless useless speculations that never come to pass?

If you would have taken the time to look at something besides your own stupid posts in this thread,you would have noticed I already have.Its a waste of my time reading your mindless drivel.Now run along and quit wasting everyone's time on this board.You obviously have no interest in prophecy and have never seen anything.

 

[Sinthesis]

This sudgest that what Ezekiel saw was not a restored temple.
What Ezekiel saw after the Gog Magog war was in fact the city New Jerusalem.

Yeah...It's called Christianity, and this prophecy has already been fulfilled. You're living proof.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Yeah...It's called Christianity, and this prophecy has already been fulfilled. You're living proof.

The city new Jerusalem comes down from heaven from God so no.Im not living proof.
I didnt come down from heaven nor has New Jerusalem.

 

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Adstar,

It is sad that your interesting thread got hijacked by those who seek to quash any discussion of which they do not approve. In a way it is similar to so-called "science" threads on Christian web sites that are guarded by self-declared "experts" who shout down any opinion with which they do not agree.

In regard to your original question, the Ezekiel passage seems to not fit current conditions or pre-trib situations because of the "unwalled" requirement. In a similar way an end of the age application seems not to fit because of the seven year clean up and the restored temple activity.

It may be that a mid-trib application would meet the peaceful initial requirement and still provide time afterwards for the events described.

I would caution you against engaging in responses with those who seek to draw you into useless time wasting dialog where you just end up trying to dance to their tune while providing evidence that will never be acceptable.

As Christians we are supposed to grow into the image of Christ. This means we are to grow in wisdom and knowledge of the truth. There are those who can help us in this and there are those who hinder. I suggest that any time you can avoid engagement with mockers, accusers, and those who show sneering contempt is time that has been redeemed.

But you have to reply for a time until they show themselves clearly as sneering and contemptuous and they clearly will not acknowledge their faulty foundations. Then it becomes clear to onlookers. I guess that objective has been reached in this thread.



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[Shilohsfoal]

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But you have to reply for a time until they show themselves clearly as sneering and contemptuous and they clearly will not acknowledge their faulty foundations. Then it becomes clear to onlookers. I guess that objective has been reached in this thread.



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I showed you where you are at fault and you cant admit it.
You will just not believe the beast that was and then was not is once more.
The world wonderd when it arrived and even today those whos names are not written wonder.

But it is come forth once more.And it shall kill the saints as it did 2000 years ago.


Then answered all the people, and said, His blood [be] on us, and on our children.
Same as thier fathers had done,so shall the children.

 

[Adstar]

I showed you where you are at fault and you cant admit it.
You will just not believe the beast that was and then was not is once more.
The world wonderd when it arrived and even today those whos names are not written wonder.

But it is come forth once more.And it shall kill the saints as it did 2000 years ago.


Then answered all the people, and said, His blood [be] on us, and on our children.
Same as thier fathers had done,so shall the children.

And this was the reply i was expecting from you Shilohsfoal.

Such is life. May you be forgiven.


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[Shilohsfoal]

And this was the reply i was expecting from you Shilohsfoal.

Such is life. May you be forgiven.


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If only you knew.
I expect you will mislead many on your way.

Mt 23;35
That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth,from the blood of righteous Able unto the blood of Zechariah son of Barachias,whom ye slew between the temple and the alter.

Jesus would tell you who is responsible for the saints being murderd but you wont listen to him will you?
You will just keep looking the other way and not pay attention to anything Jesus has to say.

Mt 23;37
O Jerusalem,Jerusalem,thou that killest the prophets,and stonest them which are sent unto thee,how often would I have gatherd thy children together,even as a hen gathereth her chilkens under her wings,and ye would not.

Even if Jesus said Jerusalem was resonsible for all the righteous blood shed upon earth,you still would not believe him.Thats sad.You really should try to listen to him sometime,whenever you get a chance.You can learn a thing or two.

 

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Wow ...

So according to the last 2 posts from Shilohsfoal i am:

1) Not written in the Messiahs Book of Life

2) I am worthy of judgement for all the blood of the saints shead for the Word of Jesus

3)That i am a Deciever. And an going to decieve many...

And what grevious sin did i commit for these? What salvational matter of core importance have i stood against?

Did i deny the Atonment of the Messiah Jesus for the Redemtion of thoes that believe in Him?? Nope i believe that.

Did i perhaps deny the virgin birth of Jesus?? Nope I believe that Jesus was born of the Virgin Mary. And this was Done through the Power of the Holy Spirit.

Maybe i denied that Jesus was executed Died and was Risen from the Dead after being in the earth 3 days and nights?? Nope i believe that Jesus is risen And He was risen in His body and was raised up into Heaven in that same body.

So what? What central matter of the faith have i been judged in such a way for.

Why because Shilohsfoal says the 10 horns are 10 Arab nations and i have the temerity to remain unconvinced..:o wooohaaa

Not only that but i had the audacity to Quote Scriptures from Revelation 17 that State as clear as day.

"I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast which was full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns."

This after Shilohsfoal had clearly stated that the harlot did not sit upon 10 horns only 7 mountains..

Well i never knew that the belief that the 10 horns mentioned in Revelation where 10 arab nations was a central Christian belief essential to ones salvation.


Once again Shilohsfoal. May you be forgiven.


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[Shilohsfoal]

Wow ...

So according to the last 2 posts from Shilohsfoal i am:

1) Not written in the Messiahs Book of Life

2) I am worthy of judgement for all the blood of the saints shead for the Word of Jesus

3)That i am a Deciever. And an going to decieve many...

I didnt say that you lier.
I was quoting scripture.
Now if you feel convicted then thats your problem.

According to Jesus "Jerusalem"is responsible for ALL the righteous blood shed upon the earth.
And thats what I mean by you dont listen to Jesus.If yopu did you would understand what Ive been saying,but you dont.
I quote the verses and put them in front of your face but you look away and ignore them.Jesus words you ignore.