The Bible...take it or leave it ?

[follower of Christ]

I believe it's written on our hearts.

And what is written on my heart seems to conflict with what is written on yours.
So why would the Spirit of God lie to one of us in a given situation ?

What are you getting at here. We need something to point out sin?? Isn't that the Law of Moses?

So Paul telling the Corinthians to not fornicate...what was that, exactly ?
Doesnt the same apply to us today ?

In Acts 15 it is shown that the gentiles need not follow the law of Moses BUT there were 4 items that were carry overs from the OT law that are used in the precepts in the NT...fornication/sexual immorality being one of those things.

So what are you saying, that the moral code in the law of Moses is meaningless to the church ? That it is of no benefit for us to know, even tho the NT DOESNT mention it directly, that we ought not have sex with our sister or brother ?
There ARE OT moral laws that DO apply even tho we arent under that covenant. Those things STILL get God bent out of shape when we disregard them.

Sorry I don't focus on running around rebuking people for things that are hinted at.

'hinted at"
Give me something to work with here as I have no clue what you mean

 

[follower of Christ]

It's the still small voice we should be listening too.

Ok
And when your 'still small voice' contradicts mine in a given matter ?
Which of us, if either, is being directed by God ?

 

[seekandlisten]

I you want to go all conspiracy thoery I guess so, personally I'm not going to fall in line with another man's interpetation when it goes against all forms of reason and logic.

So if I say that the Word is WITH God and IS God, and this Word is Jesus Christ and then I prove it with John 1 and the very clear context there that shows just that.....it is against all forms of reason an logic that I conclude just that if you disagree ?

I agree with what you say about the 'Word' but John 1 does not prove Jesus is the 'Word'. Then it becomes opinion.

umm...I don't know, maybe to put faith in God rather than the bible.

Which god are you talking about ?
Define Him...point Him out....describe Him.
You realize the moment you run to the bible to do so that youve undermined your entire argument, right ?

Here is a description of my God.
“There is but One God, His name is Truth, He is the Creator, He fears none, he is without hate, He never dies, He is beyond the cycle of births and death, He is self illuminated, He is realized by the kindness of the True Guru. He was True in the beginning, He was True when the ages commenced and has ever been True, He is also True now.†Guru Nanak

Is this not true of the God presented in the bible? I never said I don't believe what's in the bible so I don't see why I can't reference it?

 

[follower of Christ]

I agree with what you say about the 'Word' but John 1 does not prove Jesus is the 'Word'.

Really ?
So the CONTEXT in John 1 BEING Jesus Christ doesnt prove that Jesus IS this 'Word' being spoken of ?
Not to take this off topic, but there is a relevant point here, tell us WHO is this 'Word' that was WITH God and was God ?

Its relevant to the topic because we're trying to discern just why we NEED the written word or not.

Then it becomes opinion.

So if I red a book that says 'water is wet' and I believe that water is wet, it is only my 'opinion' when I choose to believe it ?

Here is a description of my God.
“There is but One God, His name is Truth, He is the Creator, He fears none, he is without hate, He never dies, He is beyond the cycle of births and death, He is self illuminated, He is realized by the kindness of the True Guru. He was True in the beginning, He was True when the ages commenced and has ever been True, He is also True now.†Guru Nanak

Oh, I see.
Is this who you mean ?
http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Guru_Nanak

"cycle of births and deaths"
Do you believe in reincarnation ?

Is this not true of the God presented in the bible? I never said I don't believe what's in the bible so I don't see why I can't reference it?

Which bible are you reading ?

 

[follower of Christ]

Seekandlisten, Im a pretty blunt person...Im sure thats pretty easy to tell, so I dont really know how to ask this but to ask in the way that I always do.

What religions are you affiliated with ?

 

[westtexas]

Here is a description of my God.
“There is but One God, His name is Truth, He is the Creator, He fears none, he is without hate, He never dies, He is beyond the cycle of births and death, He is self illuminated, He is realized by the kindness of the True Guru. He was True in the beginning, He was True when the ages commenced and has ever been True, He is also True now.†Guru Nanak

Is this not true of the God presented in the bible? I never said I don't believe what's in the bible so I don't see why I can't reference it?

????????Who is the True Guru???????
And where does our King Jesus fit into this picture?
Westtexas

 

[seekandlisten]

It's the still small voice we should be listening too.

Ok
And when your 'still small voice' contradicts mine in a given matter ?
Which of us, if either, is being directed by God ?

Well this is a matter of differing opinions based on interpretation of Scripture. I don't worry about your beliefs, their are many different parts of the Body of Christ. All I can say is I'd rather be getting judged on what I thought was the truth rather than explaining why I followed someone else's interpretation when I stand before God to be judged.

 

[seekandlisten]

Here is a description of my God.
“There is but One God, His name is Truth, He is the Creator, He fears none, he is without hate, He never dies, He is beyond the cycle of births and death, He is self illuminated, He is realized by the kindness of the True Guru. He was True in the beginning, He was True when the ages commenced and has ever been True, He is also True now.†Guru Nanak

Is this not true of the God presented in the bible? I never said I don't believe what's in the bible so I don't see why I can't reference it?

????????Who is the True Guru???????
And where does our King Jesus fit into this picture?
Westtexas

Guru generally refers to 'teacher'. This quote is from Guru Nanak the founder of Sikhism. It's merely his description of God which I would say I also agree with.

 

[follower of Christ]

Guru generally refers to 'teacher'. This quote is from Guru Nanak the founder of Sikhism. It's merely his description of God which I would say I also agree with.

Way out there, my friend.

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[follower of Christ]

Well this is a matter of differing opinions based on interpretation of Scripture.

So where is the line drawn ?
If I believe that the command 'do not steal' means to not take what isnt mine, is someone else allowed to 'interpret' that command in some other way ?

I don't worry about your beliefs, their are many different parts of the Body of Christ.

Lets not even go there, friend, in any way that is beyond the intent.
The parts of the body of Christ is speaking about FUNCTION, not doctrine as in you believe what you want and Ill believe what I want. ;)

All I can say is I'd rather be getting judged on what I thought was the truth rather than explaining why I followed someone else's interpretation when I stand before God to be judged.

Id rather be in line with Gods truth from the start.
Even if it means dedicating my every waking moment to the study of His word

 

[seekandlisten]

I agree with what you say about the 'Word' but John 1 does not prove Jesus is the 'Word'.

Really ?
So the CONTEXT in John 1 BEING Jesus Christ doesnt prove that Jesus IS this 'Word' being spoken of ?
Not to take this off topic, but there is a relevant point here, tell us WHO is this 'Word' that was WITH God and was God ?

Its relevant to the topic because we're trying to discern just why we NEED the written word or not.

We are talking differing of opinions on what the bible says not absolute truths.

Then it becomes opinion.

So if I red a book that says 'water is wet' and I believe that water is wet, it is only my 'opinion' when I choose to believe it ?

We can test and prove this there for you could say it is an absolute truth.

Here is a description of my God.
“There is but One God, His name is Truth, He is the Creator, He fears none, he is without hate, He never dies, He is beyond the cycle of births and death, He is self illuminated, He is realized by the kindness of the True Guru. He was True in the beginning, He was True when the ages commenced and has ever been True, He is also True now.†Guru Nanak

Oh, I see.
Is this who you mean ?
http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Guru_Nanak

"cycle of births and deaths"
Do you believe in reincarnation ?

No, I wouldn't say I believe in reincarnation but I don't rule it out either. There is evidence both for and against.

Is this not true of the God presented in the bible? I never said I don't believe what's in the bible so I don't see why I can't reference it?

Which bible are you reading ?

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I read both the NIV and KJV. I also turn to other versions if looking for an understanding of certain passages.

 

[follower of Christ]

Well this is a matter of differing opinions based on interpretation of Scripture.

Its certainly all coming together now

Sikhism – Beliefs
# All other Scripture (than the Sikh Shri Guru Granth) is faulty. Any Granth translated out of the original is not trustworthy.

# Sikhs reject that Jesus is God and teach that human errors and misinterpretations of the Bible are what led to the belief in a Trinity of persons in the one Essence of God. “God is neither born and nor does He die†reads similarly to the Islamic “God is not begotten, neither does He beget.†Consider that created people cannot really conceptualize the existence of something that is not created; neither can those with a dead spirit accurately conceive of the true spiritual realm.

# Sikhs believe in reincarnation (samsara), and that life destinies are determined by the accumulation of one’s good and bad deeds (karma), much like Hinduism.

http://www.allaboutreligion.org/sikhism.htm

 

[seekandlisten]

Guru generally refers to 'teacher'. This quote is from Guru Nanak the founder of Sikhism. It's merely his description of God which I would say I also agree with.

Way out there, my friend.

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ummm....insightful??

 

[follower of Christ]

We are talking differing of opinions on what the bible says not absolute truths.

Speak for yourself, friend.
I believe in absolute truth.

We can test and prove this there for you could say it is an absolute truth.

The Spirit is my absolute proof

The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are the children of God.
(Romans 8:16 MKJV)

Those who have the Spirit dont have to guess

No, I wouldn't say I believe in reincarnation but I don't rule it out either. There is evidence both for and against.

The indecision speaks for itself...

 

[follower of Christ]

ummm....insightful??

I find it sort of ironic that you come to a Christian website to talk to Christians yet the source you seem to trust is hardly Christian and is of a belief that completely disregards who Jesus is.

As I said, its all making sense now.

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[seekandlisten]

deleted by poster. Irrelevant.

 

[follower of Christ]

I am not a part of any religion. You could probably say I'm a christian anarchist so to speak as I tend to lean towards christian beliefs but I don't agree with organized religion.

My definition of 'christian' is very narrow, Im afraid. Either a person is or they arent. There is no in between.
Either a man follows Jesus Christ of the scriptures or he simply isnt a christian by default.

If you wish to discuss my beliefs I would gladly do it in a one on one setting.

No thanks
Youve given me what I was looking for already ....

 

[seekandlisten]

ummm....insightful??

I find it sort of ironic that you come to a Christian website to talk to Christians yet the source you seem to trust is hardly Christian and is of a belief that completely disregards who Jesus is.

As I said, its all making sense now.

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How so? I think we have gone way off track as to what the topic here was? You can't just pass off your beliefs as absolute truth. Wheres the proof? If there are arguments for and against and neither can be proved neither one can be an absolute truth.

Now back to the topic of the bible.

 

[follower of Christ]

How so?

Given your choice of 'teachers' what you have preached in here makes perfect sense.

I think we have gone way off track as to what the topic here was?

Actually, friend, the topic in the OP was just the hook. It was inevitable that you respond in this thread and that you provide what I was looking for.

You can't just pass off your beliefs as absolute truth. Wheres the proof?? In the afterlife.

Sure I can. Gods Spirit confirms with mine that I AM His child. I need no more proof than that.

If there are arguments for and against and neither can be proved neither one can be an absolute truth.

Unless, like the Jews, someones eyes have been blinded to Gods truth ;)

Now back to the topic of the bible.

The thread is mine, friend, and its going in the exact direction I wanted it to go from moment I conceived it

I think you'll find that things arent always what they seem on the surface. Im always digging for something

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[seekandlisten]

I am not a part of any religion. You could probably say I'm a christian anarchist so to speak as I tend to lean towards christian beliefs but I don't agree with organized religion.

My definition of 'christian' is very narrow, Im afraid. Either a person is or they arent. There is no in between.
Either a man follows Jesus Christ of the scriptures or he simply isnt a christian by default.

What about if a man follows the Jesus Christ of the Scriptures but doesn't believe in the right branch of christianity?? Where do you fall in as to what kind of Christian is right if I may ask?