The Bible...take it or leave it ?

[follower of Christ]

What about if a man follows the Jesus Christ of the Scriptures but doesn't believe in the right branch of christianity?? Where do you fall in as to what kind of Christian is right if I may ask?

Was this man provided with an accurate account of the gospel and if so did he reject it ?


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[seekandlisten]

How so?

Given your choice of 'teachers' what you have preached in here makes perfect sense.

Sorry,I didn't know God's messangers stopped 1700 years ago.

I think we have gone way off track as to what the topic here was?

Actually, friend, the topic in the OP was just the hook. It was inevitable that you respond in this thread and that you provide what I was looking for.

I see....so trap and attack is your 'christian' way.

You can't just pass off your beliefs as absolute truth. Wheres the proof?? In the afterlife.

Sure I can. Gods Spirit confirms with mine that I AM His child. I need no more proof than that.

If there are arguments for and against and neither can be proved neither one can be an absolute truth.

Unless, like the Jews, someones eyes have been blinded to Gods truth ;)

So you just basically sit back and pass judgement eh.

Now back to the topic of the bible.

The thread is mine, friend, and its going in the exact direction I wanted it to go from moment I conceived it

I think you'll find that things arent always what they seem on the surface. Im always digging for something

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I see this but I wonder what it is you are digging for.

 

[seekandlisten]

What about if a man follows the Jesus Christ of the Scriptures but doesn't believe in the right branch of christianity?? Where do you fall in as to what kind of Christian is right if I may ask?

Was this man provided with an accurate account of the gospel and if so did he reject it ?


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Nope Minus seeing as you haven't told me this 'accurate account' yet I'm not sure.

 

[follower of Christ]

Sorry,I didn't know God's messangers stopped 1700 years ago.

His inspired apostles stopped writing some time prior to that even as far as 'scripture' ;)

I see....so trap and attack is your 'christian' way.

It just makes things easier, depending on the situation.
I needed to know something and now I know. No lab animals were harmed in the process

So you just basically sit back and pass judgement eh.

We know false teachers by their fruits.

I see this but I wonder what it is you are digging for.

The thread has been fruitful. Im content with the results.

My guess is that few if any, here would put themselves under a nonchristian 'guru' or look to one for godly instruction, so knowing where your views were coming from helps us discern that this is no godly source.

 

[follower of Christ]

Nope

So youre question seems to be 'what if a man DOESNT HAVE accurate information about God, but tries his best with what he does have'.

Thats between him and God, but Id say that LACKING accurate information that God would take that into account.
Now, please dont try to REword what I just said so that it looks like Im saying that if someone HAS been told the truth that this applies if they willingly reject that truth.
God may be merciful to the unknowing, but not one who has heard the truth and rejects it.

Jesus said to them, "If you were blind, you would have no guilt; but now that you say, 'We see,' your guilt remains.
(John 9:41 ESV)

 

[seekandlisten]

Sorry,I didn't know God's messangers stopped 1700 years ago.

His inspired apostles stopped writing some time prior to that even as far as 'scripture' ;)
[quote:gdjdhk14]I see....so trap and attack is your 'christian' way.

It just makes things easier, depending on the situation.
I needed to know something and now I know. No lab animals were harmed in the process

So you just basically sit back and pass judgement eh.

We know false teachers by their fruits.

I see this but I wonder what it is you are digging for.

The thread has been fruitful. Im content with the results.

My guess is that few if any, here would put themselves under a nonchristian 'guru' or look to one for godly instruction, so knowing where your views were coming from helps us discern that this is no godly source.
[/quote:gdjdhk14]
I don't put myself under anyone but God. Guru Nanak presented many truths but I wouldn't say he presented all of it. I do not follow sikhism yet they do hold truth. My views are just as irrelevant as yours when it comes to the Truth. I'm sorry I don't fit in your mold.

 

[follower of Christ]

I don't put myself under anyone but God.

Which god ?
As far as I saw this Guru chap believes that there are MANY paths to God...so will the real god please stand up ?

I do not follow sikhism yet they do hold truth.

ah, ah....you said we cannot know absolute truth, so there is no way for you to know if this cult has any truth to it or not.

My views are just as irrelevant as yours when it comes to the Truth.

We'll see

I'm sorry I don't fit in your mold.

You arent required to as Im not the Moldmaker
There is One, however, to whom we both will give an account one day.
Are you ready ?



Good night, S.
Its late and Im tired and the wife is already asleep

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[seekandlisten]

I don't put myself under anyone but God.

Which god ?
As far as I saw this Guru chap believes that there are MANY paths to God...so will the real god please stand up ?

If you are only going to look for what does not agree with you when searching for the truth, you will not find much.

"You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do." Anne Lamott

"Before God we are all equally wise - and equally foolish." Albert Einstein

"By three methods we learn wisdom: First, by reflection, which is noblest; Second, by imitation, which is easiest; and third by experience, which is bitterest." Confucius

"If I am not, may God put me there; and if I am, may God so keep." Joan of Arc

Proverbs 1:32-33 (New International Version)

"32 For the waywardness of the simple will kill them,
and the complacency of fools will destroy them;

33 but whoever listens to me will live in safety
and be at ease, without fear of harm."

Proverbs 2
"1 My son, if you accept my words
and store up my commands within you,
2 turning your ear to wisdom
and applying your heart to understanding,

3 and if you call out for insight
and cry aloud for understanding,

4 and if you look for it as for silver
and search for it as for hidden treasure,

5 then you will understand the fear of the LORD
and find the knowledge of God."

These are all bits and pieces in my understanding.

I do not follow sikhism yet they do hold truth.

ah, ah....you said we cannot know absolute truth, so there is no way for you to know if this cult has any truth to it or not.

All my beliefs are supported by the bible.

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My views are just as irrelevant as yours when it comes to the Truth.

We'll see

I agree

I'm sorry I don't fit in your mold.

You arent required to as Im not the Moldmaker
There is One, however, to whom we both will give an account one day.
Are you ready ?

I can only hope.

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Good night, S.
Its late and Im tired and the wife is already asleep

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Have a good one. It's been interesting.

 

[jasoncran]

why on hope, know that you have that blessed promise. god is faithful keep us.

 

[westtexas]

Here is a description of my God.
“There is but One God, His name is Truth, He is the Creator, He fears none, he is without hate, He never dies, He is beyond the cycle of births and death, He is self illuminated, He is realized by the kindness of the True Guru. He was True in the beginning, He was True when the ages commenced and has ever been True, He is also True now.†Guru Nanak

Is this not true of the God presented in the bible? I never said I don't believe what's in the bible so I don't see why I can't reference it?

????????Who is the True Guru???????
And where does our King Jesus fit into this picture?
Westtexas

Guru generally refers to 'teacher'. This quote is from Guru Nanak the founder of Sikhism. It's merely his description of God which I would say I also agree with.

You didn't answer the second half of the question. Where does King Jesus fit into yours and guru nanak's description?
Westtexas

 

[seekandlisten]

Guru generally refers to 'teacher'. This quote is from Guru Nanak the founder of Sikhism. It's merely his description of God which I would say I also agree with.

You didn't answer the second half of the question. Where does King Jesus fit into yours and guru nanak's description?
Westtexas

This description was in relation to God. Jesus is my Saviour.

 

[follower of Christ]

If you are only going to look for what does not agree with you when searching for the truth, you will not find much.

Please. I dont need the guru lines. Gods truth is the ONLY truth. I'll leave this peyote induced guru truth to others to believe.

"You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do." Anne Lamott

Funny gent. Did *I* write the bible ;)

"Before God we are all equally wise - and equally foolish." Albert Einstein

See above...

"By three methods we learn wisdom: First, by reflection, which is noblest; Second, by imitation, which is easiest; and third by experience, which is bitterest." Confucius

"If I am not, may God put me there; and if I am, may God so keep." Joan of Arc

More nonsense from the deluded...

Proverbs 1:32-33 (New International Version)

"32 For the waywardness of the simple will kill them,
and the complacency of fools will destroy them;

33 but whoever listens to me will live in safety
and be at ease, without fear of harm."

Proverbs 2
"1 My son, if you accept my words
and store up my commands within you,
2 turning your ear to wisdom
and applying your heart to understanding,

3 and if you call out for insight
and cry aloud for understanding,

4 and if you look for it as for silver
and search for it as for hidden treasure,

5 then you will understand the fear of the LORD
and find the knowledge of God."

These are all bits and pieces in my understanding.

Finally something worth reading

All my beliefs are supported by the bible.

Do you believe that Jesus Christ is God ?

I can only hope.

That must not be much fun.

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[follower of Christ]

This description was in relation to God. Jesus is my Saviour.

Is Jesus a man ?
Is Jesus God ?
Is Jesus man and God ?

 

[seekandlisten]

This description was in relation to God. Jesus is my Saviour.

Is Jesus a man ?
Is Jesus God ?
Is Jesus man and God ?

Do you just want us to continue to assert our beliefs on the other? You clearly know my position on these questions. Do you want to actually present either side to this in a reasonable logical manner? If so I will gladly join you in a one on one. I will not discuss this to any extent in an open thread as it's already been done and only product is discord.

 

[seekandlisten]

"By three methods we learn wisdom: First, by reflection, which is noblest; Second, by imitation, which is easiest; and third by experience, which is bitterest." Confucius

"If I am not, may God put me there; and if I am, may God so keep." Joan of Arc

More nonsense from the deluded...

Interesting.....especially with Joan of Arc being a martyr.

 

[follower of Christ]

Do you just want us to continue to assert our beliefs on the other? You clearly know my position on these questions. Do you want to actually present either side to this in a reasonable logical manner? If so I will gladly join you in a one on one. I will not discuss this to any extent in an open thread as it's already been done and only product is discord.

You made an assertion. The questions show that the assertion was false.

And please, your views can be exposed HERE without going into hiding somewhere. If you dont want to discuss it HERE with the brethren as a whole then you can choose to simply stop posting
I dont do the private debate thing anymore...
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[follower of Christ]

Interesting.....especially with Joan of Arc being a martyr.

She was a fallible woman, not an inspired writer of scripture.

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[toddm]

Interesting.....especially with Joan of Arc being a martyr.

She was a fallible woman, not an inspired writer of scripture.

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:amen

seekandlisten, can you see the problems people run into by allowing their own subjective feelings to interpret truth? There has to be a "be-all-end-all" objective final authority. That is God's Word. Otherwise, one can get all kinds of crazy ideas from others that they think sounds good.

 

[seekandlisten]

Do you just want us to continue to assert our beliefs on the other? You clearly know my position on these questions. Do you want to actually present either side to this in a reasonable logical manner? If so I will gladly join you in a one on one. I will not discuss this to any extent in an open thread as it's already been done and only product is discord.

You made an assertion. The questions show that the assertion was false.

And please, your views can be exposed HERE without going into hiding somewhere. If you dont want to discuss it HERE with the brethren as a whole then you can choose to simply stop posting
I dont do the private debate thing anymore...
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Well if I don't have to deal with numerous posts saying essentially the same thing and as long as no one is going to outright attack me personally I will discuss it in this thread alone if ok with the moderators. I will simply present facts relating to the doctrine itself. Do you have anything other then John 1? I will not resort to personal attacks and will discontinue this conversation if they are made against me. Disagree all you want just don't attack my character please.

 

[seekandlisten]

Interesting.....especially with Joan of Arc being a martyr.

She was a fallible woman, not an inspired writer of scripture.

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:amen

seekandlisten, can you see the problems people run into by allowing their own subjective feelings to interpret truth? There has to be a "be-all-end-all" objective final authority. That is God's Word. Otherwise, one can get all kinds of crazy ideas from others that they think sounds good.

What are these crazy ideas I'm presenting? You have a legit disagreement with my thoughts on the trinity which is fine I'm not saying you can't believe in the trinity. I'm not the one telling people they are not 'true christians'. Do you see my point?

As for this statement tell me how it doesn't agree with the bible??

"If I am not, may God put me there; and if I am, may God so keep." Joan of Arc

I have no problem taking wisdom from someone who died for what they believe in especially when there is no false claim in it.