The birth date of Christ

[tim-from-pa]

You're welcome everyone. Keep looking up; you're redemption draws nigh!

 

[Sparkey]

Tim! You're redeemer hears your song!

As you turn your eyes unto Him, as your hopes enlarge, as you realize the greatness of Your God!!! So also does He respond. Your eyes, focused upon Him spiritually causes his heart to skip a beat. This is a love song. The love song of the ages. We are learning to become more and more like Him and as we do, as those bonds that so easily beset us are tossed aside?

So also does he come! Bounding over the Mountain Tops. Like a roe.

O! How will this culminate? Is it possible that the hints and prophecies and all the hopes and dreams inspired by the Word of God are true? Can it one day be said that He is our God, that we are HIS people? It can. Your Redeemer hears your song.

 

[Sinthesis]

You certainly have a case for 12240 as something to keep in mind. I've been pondering how it might fit into the puzzle as I see it. Not sure yet; there are so many interconnected parts.

 

[jocor]

We will use biblical passages to deduce the number of days, their limits, convert to lunar months, again a low and high limit.

1. The age of service: 30 years. When Jesus hit that age, he was due to begin his service, not before, and if after, not long at all. Jesus would not have said to his Father, “Hey, can you spare a week or two vacation, then I'll start?”. Once he hit 30, he had to prepare immediately to set out, perhaps ordaining his baptism not long after that. But he was 30.
   
   
2. Days in 30 years = 30 x 365.2422= 10957 days, but Jews go by lunar months so to find the nearest lunar month is 10957/29.530588=371.05. So he would be “30” no sooner than 371 lunar months later 371 x 29.530588 = 10956. This is close, so we see that 371 lunar months is very close to 30 solar years. So 10956 is the lower limit of starting his ministry in days and if he started later, not much.
   
   
3. He ministered for 3.5 years: (Luke 4:24-27) This was foreshadowed. In the bible, 3.5 years again is not usually the solar years, but based on lunar months. Because of Daniel and Revelation, there's two limits that I can see: the more common 1260 days, and perhaps 1290 days (c.f. The two witnesses, and the time of persecution in the end times, aka prophetic years). In solar years, the former is 3.45 years, and the latter is 3.53years. So the lower limit of ministry is 1260 days, the upper 1290 days.
   
   
4. Lower limit age + lower limit ministry = 12216 days
   
   
5. Lower limit age + upper limit ministry = 12246 days
   
   
6. Converting to lunar months: 12216/29.530588 = 413.7 months approx from his new moon birth. This is past full moon, so he had to live to the next full moon. 12246/29.530588=414.7 lunar months. That's too long, and to go to the next full moon after that is yet another 3.5 weeks (a 3.5 week “vacation” past his 30th birthday is the only way this can be accomplished).
   
   In other words, he had to live at least 413.7 months, but no more than 414.7 months. That means being born at new moon and dying at full moon, he lived 414.5 lunar months.
   
   
7. 414.5 x 29.530588 = 12240 days (to the nearest day) Q.E.D.

Later, I'll give some scripture that hints at 12240 or multiples thereof.

I don't understand why you are using 1260 days as the lower limit ministry which, in reality, is 42 months consisting of 30 days each, but you do not use 30 day months to get a lower limit age. You multiplied 30 years x 365.2422 which would seem to give the upper limit. However, if you multiplied 30 years x 360 (12 months of 30 days each) it would equal 10800 days (the lower age limit). Am I missing something?

If you add 1260 to 10800 =12060 as the lower limit age + the lower limit ministry.
Converting to 30 day months as used in Point #3, you get 12060/30 = 402 months. That is an 11.5 month difference from your 414.5 months.

 

[tim-from-pa]

I don't understand why you are using 1260 days as the lower limit ministry which, in reality, is 42 months consisting of 30 days each, but you do not use 30 day months to get a lower limit age. You multiplied 30 years x 365.2422 which would seem to give the upper limit. However, if you multiplied 30 years x 360 (12 months of 30 days each) it would equal 10800 days (the lower age limit). Am I missing something?

If you add 1260 to 10800 =12060 as the lower limit age + the lower limit ministry.
Converting to 30 day months as used in Point #3, you get 12060/30 = 402 months. That is an 11.5 month difference from your 414.5 months.

30 years would be based on actual solar years within the bounds of lunar months. That's how they kept time, and that's how the feasts were fulfilled.

The 1260 and 1290 are based on prophetic times of ministry, such as the two witnesses. Those numbers are more mysterious, however they do seem to have short term intercalation to line up with the solar year, i.e. 1260 + 1290 = 2550 days which is 6.98 solar years, just short by a week. So I used both limits, i.e. the 3.5 years without the intercalation and the 3.5 with it to establish bounds. If we use the solar cycle for 3.5 years, that would be 1278 days, and 43 lunar months (to the nearest lunar month) that would be 1270 days well within the low and high limits I proposed.

For this reason, I prefer not to be dogmatic about interpreting the 70 weeks of Daniel, because as we see, there's all sorts of ways that the numbers can be construed, and I am honest enough to admit I don't understand that.

My premise is based on those 3 points:

1) That we know he died on a Passover some year (and that's a full moon festival),
2) that IF (I realize some may not agree) Revelation 12 describes an astronomical position, then that occurs at another feast, Trumpets,
3) and of course the number of days of Messiah, which my calculations just fine tune what most already accept: 33.5 years. These are not far-out concepts but rather straightforward IMO.

What people have to realize here is I took these things that I consider facts, and then derived the dates without previous knowledge what the outcomes would be. That's different than starting with dates, and then fashioning (interpreting) the bible to make it say that (Eisegesis). Of course if they are true, they should agree with what we know historically (including so-called eclipses such as those at Herod's death), and I don't see any severe contradictions. Most historians will debate within a year or two or even three.

The most popular date today of the death of Christ is April 3, 33AD, and that's because that (along with the older accepted date of 30AD) works out that Passover was on a Friday, the day most still believe the crucifixion to occur. I'd say in the very least that if I am guilty of even the slightest amount of manipulating, then at the very least so are the rest of the scholars.