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The Case for Early Marriage...

handy

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The Case for Early Marriage | Christianity Today | A Magazine of Evangelical Conviction

I thought this was an excellent article.

My siblings all married early, before they were 20 as a matter of fact. As did my parents. All are still married to their original spouse. Mom and Dad were married over 50 years before Dad's death.

I didn't marry until I was 38 and I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

Why are we Christians, the first to scream at our kids that sex before marriage is the sin above all sins... also tell them that they need to wait until 25,28,30 before they marry!?!

Irregardless of studies, data, social mores whatever, it's a biological fact that we become sexually mature in our teens. So, if God designed us to become sexual in our teens, and since sex outside of marriage has become so normal that even Christians have a hard time wondering why it's bad, can we be sure that God is on the side of people waiting until they are in their mid to late 20's or even 30's before they marry?

Thoughts?

btw, I'm not that big of a fan of Christianity Today, but this article is quite good.
 
Hey Dora, I totally agree with the article! In fact, I posted the exact same article here in General several months ago, but it's been burried for a long time :):thumb
 
:lol Great minds think alike! I must have missed the article the first time around. I've been in several conversations lately, both on-line in out here in "real-life" about marriage, so maybe it's worth looking at again!

The article mentions how there are now far more Christian girls than Christian guys of marriageable age, I think the ratio was 3:1 (but might be wrong).

I wonder if it's because guys look at the Church saying "You can't have sex until you're married, and don't be married until you're at least 25 or older" and think, "Man, that's crazy!!!"
 
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Marriage Laws in the USA
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I posted this list 2 times before, the youngest that you can marry in the USA, is 13 that is in New Hampshire, and there are many other states where you can marry real young. My thing is if God starts the reproductive system to function at a certain age, is He telling us that we may marry at that age ? Now in Biblical times girls could get married at about 12. This list is in 2 parts because it was to long for one post.
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[/FONT]</td> </tr> </tbody></table> [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]In the United States, all but two states require a couple be age 18 in order to marry without parental consent. Nebraska sets the age at 19 and Mississippi at 21 at the time of this writing (May 2003). A few states will waive this requirement if there is a pregnancy involved, but the couple may still have to have court approval.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] * This is not intended to encourage teenage marriages; just to serve as a guide of the current state laws.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Alabama: If either of you are under 18, you will need a certified copy of your birth certificate. Both parents must be present with identification, or if you have a legal guardian they must be present with a court order and identification. If one or both parents are deceased, proper evidence of such must be provided. Individuals under the age of 14 may not marry. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Alaska: If either of you are under 18, you will need certified copy of birth certificate, both parents must be present with identification, or if you have a legal guardian they must be present with a court order and identification. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Arizona: If you are 16 or 17 years old, you must have the notarized consent of your parents or legal guardian. If you are under 16, you must have the notarized consent of your parents or legal guardian as well as a court order. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Arkansas: Under 18 requires consent of both sets of parents. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Bahamas: If you are under 18, you will need parental consent.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]California: If either the bride or groom is under 18, at least one of the minor's parents, or legal guardian, must appear with the couple. Certified copies of birth certificates are required. The couple must also schedule an appointment with a counselor and then appear before a superior court judge. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Colorado: If you are 16 or 17, you will need consent of both parents (or parent having legal custody), or guardian, or seek judicial approval. If you are under 16, a Judicial Court Order along with parental consent is necessary.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Connecticut: If under sixteen years of age, the written consent of the judge of probate for the district where the minor resides must be obtained. Written parental consent is needed if under 18 years of age. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Delaware: You will need signed parental consent forms provided by the Clerk of the Peace office if you are under 18 years of age. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]District of Columbia: You will need signed parental or guardian consent forms if you are under 18 years of age. If you are under 16 years of age, you cannot marry in the District of Columbia. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Florida: If an individual is under 18 years of age, but older than 16 years of age, a marriage license can be obtained with parental consent. If a minor's parents are both deceased and there is not an appointed guardian, he/she may apply for a marriage license. A minor who has been previously married may also apply for a license. A minor who swears that they have a child or are expecting a baby, can apply for a license if the pregnancy has been verified by a written statement from a licensed physician. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Georgia: If you are 16 or 17 years old, you may apply if accompanied by both parents who have given written consent. If the bride is pregnant, no parental consent is required if you submit a statement from a licensed physician certifying that the bride is pregnant. [/FONT]
 
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Hawaii: If you are 16 or 17 years of age, you must have the written consent of both of your parents, legal guardian, or the family court. If you are 15 years old, you will not only need the written consent of both of your parents or legal guardian, but also the written approval of a judge of the family court. You can obtain the necessary consent forms from a marriage license agent. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Idaho: If you are 16 or 17 years of age, you will need to have a certified copy or your original birth certificate, or a passport, or a driver's license or state ID card. You must be accompanied by one of your parents or your legal guardian and have written parental consent on the Affidavit of Consent to Marriage of Minor. If you are under 16 years of age, you will also need a court order. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Illinois: If you are 16 or 17 years of age, you will have to provide a copy of your birth certificate along with some other sort of identification showing your date of birth. You will also need to have the sworn consent from each parent, each legal guardian or a judge - in person - before the county clerk at the time of application. If your parent is deceased, you will need to show a death certificate or proof of guardianship, or a court order waiving consent. A legal guardian will also need to show a certified copy of the guardianship papers. If you are under 16 years of age, you cannot get married. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Indiana: A certified copy of your birth certificate is required. If you are 17 years old you must apply for the license with both parents (or the person with legal custody). They will need to sign the consent portion of the application. If you are 16 or 15 years old, you must petition the Circuit Court via a "Permission to Marry" form. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Iowa: Under 18 applicants (16 or 17 years of age) need to have parental consent.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Kansas: Any applicant who is under age 18 must have either: - Notarized, written consent of all then living parents and legal guardians, or notarized, written consent of one parent or legal guardian and consent of a district court judge.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Kentucky: The age is 18 or above, if you are 16 or 17 years old, you must have the consent of your parents or legal guardian.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Louisiana: If either party to the marriage is between the ages of 16 and 18, the presence and signatures of both parents are required. If a parent has legal custody in a divorce, a certified copy of the judgment must be presented. If either party is under the age of 16, a court order is required in order to obtain a license. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Maine: Applicants must be over 18 years old. A license shall not be issued to anyone under the age of 16 without written parental consent and the written consent of a judge.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Maryland: Parental consent is needed if under 18 years of age. If you are between 16-18 years of age, one of your parents or guardian must be with you and provide written consent. If you are under 16 years of age, you will need both the written consent of your custodial parent or guardian and the written approval of a judge of the Orphans' Court Division of the Court of Common Pleas. If you are under 18, pregnant or have a child, and show a certificate from a licensed physician stating you are pregnant or have had a child, the parental consent requirement may be waived.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Massachusetts: Age 18 years or older. A birth certificate may be required to show proof of age. ²If either party is under 18, a court order from a probate or district court where the minor resides must be obtained before the marriage intentions can be filed. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Michigan: Applicants 16 years of age may marry with parental or legal guardian written consent. Applicants under the age of 15 with parental consent and probate court permission. 'Marriage of a Minor': The legal marriage of a minor “shall release such minor from parental control.[/FONT]â€
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Minnesota: Applicants between the ages of 15 and 18 must have the consent of a parent, guardian or the judge of juvenile court. ²Applicants younger than 15 needs the written consent of a parent of guardian and the consent of a juvenile court judge.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Mississippi: Parental consent is needed if under 21 years of age. If parents or guardians do not give consent at time of application, they will be notified via certified mail. The marriage application will be held for three (3) days. Marriage licenses cannot be issued to males under 17, or females under 15 years of age. If the clerk receives a signed authorization from the parents, this minimum age requirement can be waived. [/FONT]
 
Lewis would you at your age feel confortable marrying that tween?
in my grandpa's day it was common for women to marry that young(14) as they would die young and the men would remarry and not have kids witht the second wife at times or did.

my grandpa was 40 when he married my grandma(moms side) he was born 1904 and she 1927, the married in the late 40's and my oldes uncle was born a yr later.
and they had three. my grandma died in 1962 at an early age of 35. my grandpa died in 1991 at the age of 84.
 
I'm just wondering who is telling people not to get married early within Christendom. And when is that magical age? I don't see Christians promoting or advising that marriage should wait. I believe two should wait until they are able to be financially independent and see to their own needs. Where that age is depends on the two people. I don't think it's practical for two to marry before they are able and depend on their families to see to their needs.

I'm just wondering why there's this need to present a case for early marriage. There doesn't seem to be an edict from the church to wait...
 
I think that mainly the pressure comes from the worldly culture, and all of its expectations. Young people are expected to know what college they are going to before graduating high school (as though college were the only option), and when they graduate college they are supposed to establish their careers for a while before getting married... basically do everything they think they might want to do before settling down. This same mentality is pervasive in the Church because it is the culture we live in. But I don't agree with it one bit, because I do think it sets many young people up for failure and unhappiness. It isn't exactly that there's an edict by the church to wait until you're older to get married, it's just really discouraged by parents and others.
 
Mike said:
I'm just wondering who is telling people not to get married early within Christendom.

As I mentioned, my sibs married early, and for the most part, so did their kids. Most of my nieces and nephews were between 18-23 when they got married. One was 27 and one was 28.

The ones who married younger, the 18 year old (who married her 19 year old bf), the 20 year old (who married his 19 year old gf) and the 20 year old (who married her 23 year old bf) all got a lot of grief from people they went to school with, and people within their churches. Their parents got a lot of grief from people within their churches for not discouraging their kids from marrying "too young".

The one who was 28 when she married was engaged to be married once before, when she was 19. She got a lot of grief too, about marrying "too young" and yet she was mature enough to realize that the marriage wasn't going to work out...not because of age, but because of her future mother-in-law...and called off the wedding. Even though age had nothing to do with her calling off the wedding, there were many comments that it was "for the best because they were too young anyway."

But, mainly I posted this to give food for thought to some of those who are young or have teens.

My siblings were not "financially independent" when they got married. My one sister and brother-in-law married two weeks after they graduated High School and not only did neither of them have a job, my brother-in-law was functionally illiterate because he goofed off at school and was only passed because of his prowess on the football field and especially on the basketball court. He is now set to retire, has a beautiful house in the mountains of Idaho, car, truck, boat...in other words, life worked out.

Same with my other sister...her husband was still in college when they married. She worked full time and he worked part time until he graduated and found a job in his field. Then she took college classes and worked part time, until babies started showing up. She stayed home until her kids were in school, then she went back to school and got her teaching degree. He is now the principle of a Christian school and she is one of the teachers there. They too have a nice house, all the necessities of life and are set for retirement as well.

My brother was 19 when he married his 17 year old gf. She worked at an ice cream shop and he worked for both my dad and hers and took whatever jobs he could. He studied and became a licensed contractor.
Retirement is a few years away for them, but they own their home and do pretty well. My brother struggles a bit more than my brothers-in-law do, but that is because he lives in an area where so many contractors bids are undercut by illegal aliens who will work pennies on the dollar. But, God does provide their needs.

Yes, my sibs needed a lot of help when they started out...that was what the article mentioned. My parents helped them out as did his, and they worked through financial hardship which taught them the importance of budgeting, saving and living within their means. Not to mention the importance of working through what life throws at one, because life throws a lot of hardships, no matter what financial situation or how much education has to offer. Oh, and just in case anyone thinks that it might have been easier for them because things were "better back then", all my siblings got married during the Ford and Carter years of the '70's when things were just as bad as they are now.

I was 38 when I married, my husband 33, we both had college degrees and good jobs and were financially independent, and yet we are no better, nor no worse off than my sibs.

My point to all of this is that there is a lot of young Christian kids out there who truly believe that they cannot, absolutely cannot married until they graduate college, have a good job and own a house. I've even known of, not just one, but several Christian couples, couples who professed Christ as their savior and went to church regularly and took communion, who lived together for months to years because they "couldn't afford to get married".

Most of the younger Christians I know wouldn't openly live with anyone, however, they still think that they cannot marry until they are mature, own a house, and have a good job. The only thing is, the economy has been so bad for so long now. I know several couples who have been in long standing relationships now for several years, one young couple have been together a total of 6 years now, without marrying. This has taken a toll on their relationships and I do know that they are no longer sexually pure because they felt they couldn't marry, loved each other too much to break up, and couldn't face the sexual temptations that come with long term relationships. When I've talked with the young ladies involved I've asked, "Why don't the two of you just get married?" and the answer is the same, "We can't afford too."

I know that this is a problem in this area, and this area has been hit really hard by this Depression we are in. My hometown in California has been hit hard and my best-friend has said that she has not gone to a wedding for at least 5 years now, where the couple didn't either live together or sleep together before they married, because they held marriage off. Her son is 19 and he talks regularly that he is the only person in his Christian circle of friends that isn't having sex, but none of his friends are even thinking of marriage because they are "too young."
 
Sorry if I hit a nerve. I don't need a gal from Iowa after me! :help

Alls I'm sayin' is marriage should ideally wait until the two are prepared to support themselves. I know times are tough, but we'll get through this. Marriage is tough enough in the beginning without adding financial strains into the equation. Finance is said to be the number one reason for divorce. It doesn't need to be an issue when they first get started. Get settled, then get settled.

That's alls I'm sayin'
 
Mike, brother, you know I don't mind if anyone disagrees with me. I've an open mind on just about anything but that which is essential for salvation...

:onfireBut, calling me a "gal from Iowa"!!!! Dem's fightin' words!:rollingpin


Iowa doesn't even have a decent college football team!
 
:grumpy I mean, here I am where there are mountains, real mountains over 10,000 feet tall, the Sawtooths, the White Clouds, not too mention class 5 white water rivers, pristine lakes, natural hot springs, and BSU FOOTBALL!!!

...what does Iowa have? Corn. Sheesh!

Now that I got that out of my system...:p

I understand that starting out with financial security is ideal for marriage. But, when I see young kids falling into sexual sin, living together or breaking up because their relationship just cannot handle the stress of waiting for marriage for years, I just don't see why marriage is considered so out of the question.

It does become a matter of faith, IMHO. God tells us to be anxious for nothing, that He will provide for our needs. To me, a couple who truly loves one another, and yet would rather fall into sexual sin or break up instead of trusting and obeying the Lord, it not only shows a lack of faith, but it's just sad.

I say this knowing how hard financial insecurity is on a marriage. Finances is the number one stress in my marriage right now, and, due to the fact that there have been major cut-backs in my husband's field, he must travel far afield for clients these days. He leaves home on Monday morning and doesn't come back until Friday night. From Monday night through Friday night, I'm basically a single mother. :sad Not fun, but nonetheless, its what we have to do for now to make it.

However, as I mentioned before, both Steve and I are college graduates and we both were financially stable before we married in our 30's. Hard times will come in marriages, we hit our first major hard time when Steve was fired on the day we closed on our ranch here. This was just 16 months after we married. It was amazing to see how fast the huge savings account that was supposed to go for new furniture for the house dwindled and disappeared. We still have the same furniture, which was old when Steve bought it in a furnished house back in '89.

I guess I'm trying to be encouraging to couples here (sort of in a odd way to be sure! ;)) and am saying, "Life is tough and marriage is tough no matter what you have or think you have. Trust in the Lord, and hold to His precepts, and it works out. Don't put unreasonable expectations that cannot be met on yourselves."

I think waiting longer than a year for two people who love each other and want to be married is entering the realm of the unreasonable. Steve and I were engaged for 6 months before we married, and there were several times when we just wanted to go to a JoP and get it done. But, that would have been too disappointing for too many family members, so we planned a wedding. I couldn't even begin to fathom waiting longer than a year and somehow remaining chaste. Perhaps if I still lived at home with my folks maybe, but not living alone like I did.

I could find all kinds of Biblical support for the idea of marrying younger...I'm not as sure that I could find as much for the idea of waiting until one is well into the late 20's or even early 30's.
 
If sexual temptation is that bad then of course you should marry. But I don't think you'll find many christians who disagree with that.
 
The secular world warns against early marriage, people like Dr Phil, now in now in that list I provided you can get married at 13. Now with how the world is today, I don't think that5 it is set up to deal with that kind of marriage in this country anymore. My younger brother got married at around 17 or 16 if I can remember right, and they were not mature enough to make it last, 2 children came out of it with the oldest being 35 now. The thing is distractions play a big part in making a young marriage break up today. There is so much going on, and even in Christian marriages, the divorce rate is high, but they have a better chance if they are trained first on Biblical principles. I still think that it is ok to marry young, reason, because that is the way God set it up. Now at my age 55, I would not marry a young person, but I have a friend who is 73 and his wife is 47, and she now calls him a old man, and will not sleep with him, and she claims to be a devout Christian, and she does preach in the pulpit at times, and they have been married for 10 years. Now in that list of state laws you can get married in some states very young, all it takes is the parents John Hancock, and it's done.
 
My grandmother and grandfather married when she was 13 and he was 17. They were married over 60 years and died within 6 months of each other. Grandpa just didn't want to live much once Grandma was gone.

But, they married at a time when an 8th grade graduation was considered the completion of one's education and a high school diploma was quite the achievement. Even when Mom and Dad married, the fact that Dad dropped out of high school to join the Navy really didn't hinder him much from getting gainful employment.

But, to try to make in today's world without even a high-school education is pretty hard. I wouldn't sign for my kids to be married before 18, unless they graduated HS first. My daughter's birthday is in July, so she would only be looking at a month or so...my son, he'll be 18 before he graduates, so I guess there wouldn't be any legal way we could stop him, but we'd strongly encorage him to wait.

Lewis, I hear what you're saying and I agree...the key is to start teaching our kids, when they are quite young, what a godly marriage is and how much sacrifice and hard work goes into making it work. Training them in Biblical principles, not just on marriage, but on finances, work ethics, all aspects of life, is the best way to prepare them for marriage, no matter what age they marry at. Then, if they find a true love when they are still young...which happens even if we parents don't want it to, they'll be much more able to make a go of it.
 
My grandmother and grandfather married when she was 13 and he was 17. They were married over 60 years and died within 6 months of each other. Grandpa just didn't want to live much once Grandma was gone.

But, they married at a time when an 8th grade graduation was considered the completion of one's education and a high school diploma was quite the achievement. Even when Mom and Dad married, the fact that Dad dropped out of high school to join the Navy really didn't hinder him much from getting gainful employment.

But, to try to make in today's world without even a high-school education is pretty hard. I wouldn't sign for my kids to be married before 18, unless they graduated HS first. My daughter's birthday is in July, so she would only be looking at a month or so...my son, he'll be 18 before he graduates, so I guess there wouldn't be any legal way we could stop him, but we'd strongly encorage him to wait.

Lewis, I hear what you're saying and I agree...the key is to start teaching our kids, when they are quite young, what a godly marriage is and how much sacrifice and hard work goes into making it work. Training them in Biblical principles, not just on marriage, but on finances, work ethics, all aspects of life, is the best way to prepare them for marriage, no matter what age they marry at. Then, if they find a true love when they are still young...which happens even if we parents don't want it to, they'll be much more able to make a go of it.
amen
 
My siblings all married early, before they were 20 as a matter of fact. As did my parents. All are still married to their original spouse. Mom and Dad were married over 50 years before Dad's death.

I didn't marry until I was 38 and I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

Why are we Christians, the first to scream at our kids that sex before marriage is the sin above all sins... also tell them that they need to wait until 25,28,30 before they marry!?!

Irregardless of studies, data, social mores whatever, it's a biological fact that we become sexually mature in our teens. So, if God designed us to become sexual in our teens, and since sex outside of marriage has become so normal that even Christians have a hard time wondering why it's bad, can we be sure that God is on the side of people waiting until they are in their mid to late 20's or even 30's before they marry?

Thoughts?

btw, I'm not that big of a fan of Christianity Today, but this article is quite good.

I agree people should get married when they desire to be married.


All Praise The Ancient of Days
 
I think that mainly the pressure comes from the worldly culture, and all of its expectations. Young people are expected to know what college they are going to before graduating high school (as though college were the only option), and when they graduate college they are supposed to establish their careers for a while before getting married... basically do everything they think they might want to do before settling down. This same mentality is pervasive in the Church because it is the culture we live in. But I don't agree with it one bit, because I do think it sets many young people up for failure and unhappiness. It isn't exactly that there's an edict by the church to wait until you're older to get married, it's just really discouraged by parents and others.

That's very true. Its funny...we are supposed to get jobs, good salaries, careers, and a house...all of these things, but NO sex. We are being told to wait even longer to get married (at least, people my age are). I wouldn't think ill of anyone who couldn't keep their virginity until they were 30 years old. Most people didn't have to wait so long until very recently.
 
Mike, brother, you know I don't mind if anyone disagrees with me. I've an open mind on just about anything but that which is essential for salvation...

:onfireBut, calling me a "gal from Iowa"!!!! Dem's fightin' words!:rollingpin


Iowa doesn't even have a decent college football team!
Dora, I have been remiss in failing to atone for my audacious, unacceptable blunder. I am so, so very sorry to have confused 1 random cow-tipping state with another. They both start with "I" and they're both one of those outpost states that are really afterthoughts when considering the 50 states that make up our nation. So, you understand my mistake, don't you? :p Now that we're all fine and cozy, I'll just say that I'd pick Iowa over Boise State in a game anywhere, whether on blue turf or green grass. :couch

I've listened to what everyone has said, and I don't feel strongly about this topic. I lean toward waiting until two people are secure enough to start a financially capable household. Times are different than they were 50 years ago or more. There are many financial strains that put people behind the 8-ball, and I just worry about a couple who start out with this form of stress on their new marriage from the beginning. But what everyone has said makes sense too. :nod
 
So besides Dora what is the youngest age you guy's would let your children marry.
Would anyone here let there kids marry at 13 like in New Hampshire, or 15 like in Mississippi ? And if your daughter become pregnant at 13 would you let her marry ?
 
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