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jaybo

 
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Last night the Lord showed me the fallacy of the CASINO doctrine. Never heard of it? Neither did I until He showed it to me.

CASINO stands for "Christians Are Saved In Name Only". It refers to Christians who believe that they are saved, yet still feel it necessary to be under the law. Lacking faith in Christ's sacrifice, they believe that they must be guided by written laws and/or commandments in order to be righteous or saved or ... (whatever rationale they choose). While they generally agree that the OT law is no longer binding, they divide it into subsets, e.g., sacrificial law, ceremonial law, moral law, etc., even though no such division exists in Scripture. They claim that without obedience to the law and commandments, a Christian is not really saved (or in obedience to God, or righteous in God's sight or other rationalizations.) They believe that unless a Christian obeys the law, they are not a true Christian -- CASINO.

I have previously posted arguments based on Romans 7:4-6, where Paul wrote "In the same way, my brothers and sisters, you have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead in order that we may bear fruit for God. For while we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions, aroused by the law, were at work in our members to bear fruit for death. But now we are discharged from the law, dead to that which held us captive, so that we are enslaved in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the written code." Apparently this section of Scripture wasn't clear enough.

Last night I was reading Romans 6. It says, in part, "For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace." This goes beyond what I had previously considered. It clearly says that you are either a) under the law or b) under grace. You can't be both! The power of sin is enormous! It will continually have you question your behavior. It keeps you focused on the law! Am I being obedient or not???

Now, if I go into a store, I intend to pay for those things that I choose to buy. Guess what? There is no temptation to steal! I don't need a commandment to tell me not to steal, because I am led by the Spirit. If my neighbor buys a new car, I may admire it, but I don't desire (covet) it. I am happy for her/him, nothing more. If I find my neighbors' wife attractive, I don't need a law to tell me to not try to seduce her. Beyond that, I don't need a law to tell me not to commit murder, as I have never been motivated to do so. All those desires -- stealing, coveting, seduction, murder -- and many others are created and energized by sin. BUT I AM DEAD TO SIN AND ALIVE TO GOD IN CHRIST JESUS!

Paul continues on in verses 16-18, "Do you not know that, if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness? But thanks be to God that you who were slaves of sin have become obedient from the heart to the form of teaching to which you were entrusted and that you, having been set free from sin, have become enslaved to righteousness." You cannot be both a slave to sin and a slave to righteousness. And if you are no longer a slave to sin, why do you need the law -- any kind of law -- to tell you right from wrong?

It makes me physically ill that some people who call themselves Christians still feel it necessary to have a set of laws and/or commandments to tell them how to behave! It is a denial of God's grace!
It goes against what is clearly written in God's word.

Romans 6:20-23, "When you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. So what fruit did you then gain from the things of which you now are ashamed? The end of those things is death.
But now that you have been freed from sin and enslaved to God, the fruit you have leads to sanctification, and the end is eternal life. For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."

I welcome any discussion about this subject. I especially want to hear from those who insist that, even though we are Christians, we must put ourselves back under the law (commandments, "moral law", etc.) and thereby give sin power in our lives.
 
Do we really need another thread about this? Can't you discuss this in one of the three threads already going on this topic?
 
Do we really need another thread about this? Can't you discuss this in one of the three threads already going on this topic?

LoL. Clever title, though.

If I wasn't tired of this particular debate I'd take him up on it, just for creativity's sake.
 
Do we really need another thread about this? Can't you discuss this in one of the three threads already going on this topic?
Which three threads are you referring to? Even if there are other threads, I thought it appropriate to start a new one on the CASINO doctrine. There has never been a thread about CASINO- Christians Are Saved In Name Only -- which the Lord showed me last night,
 
Which three threads are you referring to? Even if there are other threads, I thought it appropriate to start a new one on the CASINO doctrine. There has never been a thread about CASINO- Christians Are Saved In Name Only -- which the Lord showed me last night,

Jaybo, in all honesty there's nothing novel about the teaching. Just the title and the allegorical device is all.

God bless,
- H
 
Jaybo, in all honesty there's nothing novel about the teaching. Just the title and the allegorical device is all.

God bless,
- H
There are people who disagree, and they post contrary to CASINO all the time. If they agreed with the principle there would be no need for debate.
 
CASINO stands for "Christians Are Saved In Name Only".

I agree the above phenomenon exists, and in abundance. However, virtually everything that follows in your OP I personally disagree with, so there would most certainly be a picking apart of individual verses and statements.
 
Which three threads are you referring to? Even if there are other threads, I thought it appropriate to start a new one on the CASINO doctrine. There has never been a thread about CASINO- Christians Are Saved In Name Only -- which the Lord showed me last night,
That there are those who are Christian in name only has been known for forever. The basis of your claim though is what is already being discussed in three threads. Besides, those arguments have been shown to be incorrect and really do not determine on their own whether or not someone is saved.
 
That there are those who are Christian in name only has been known for forever. The basis of your claim though is what is already being discussed in three threads. Besides, those arguments have been shown to be incorrect and really do not determine on their own whether or not someone is saved.
Sorry but Romans 6 clearly shows that those Christians who believe that laws and commandments are necessary to control their behavior are living in delusion. They are CASINOs. That is not incorrect, unless you disagree with what Paul wrote.
 
CASINO stands for "Christians Are Saved In Name Only". It refers to Christians who believe that they are saved, yet still feel it necessary to be under the law.

He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 1 John 2:4


Those who claim to “know Him” (have eternal life) but refuse to obey Him are liars, and the truth is not in them.


He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.
John 3:36



Those who do not remain “in Christ” are cast into the fire and burned.


If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned. John 15:6


Here is how we are instructed by scripture, to remain “in Christ”.


Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. 1 John 3:24


Teaching lawlessness to God’s people is a sure sign a person is deceived into thing they are saved.


In the New Covenant, His laws and commandments are written on our heart and mind.


Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think of anything as being from ourselves, but our sufficiency is from God, who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
2 Corinthians 3:5-6






JLB
 
That there are those who are Christian in name only has been known for forever. The basis of your claim though is what is already being discussed in three threads. Besides, those arguments have been shown to be incorrect and really do not determine on their own whether or not someone is saved.
If, "Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to those that believe" Romans 10:4, Then why do Christians feel the need to try and keep the Commandments? The answer is that they really don't have faith in Christ. The law and the commandments are their "Just in Case". Just in case Jesus did not fulfill the law. "Just in Case" Jesus is not who he claims to be.
 
Sorry but Romans 6 clearly shows that those Christians who believe that laws and commandments are necessary to control their behavior are living in delusion. They are CASINOs. That is not incorrect, unless you disagree with what Paul wrote.

As we see, your “Casino” doctrine does not come from scripture, and is therefore unbiblical.


The Spirit of God through the Apostle Paul warned us about people like you.


Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 1 Timothy 4:1


Keeping His commandments is not burdensome, but is the way of love; loving our holy God and loving His people.


For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. 1 John 5:3


He who says he is in the light, and hates his brother, is in darkness until now. He who loves his brother abides in the light, and there is no cause for stumbling in him. But he who hates his brother is in darkness and walks in darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes. 1 John 2:9-11


Is stealing from your brother, loving him or hating him?

Is committing adultery with your neighbors wife, loving him or hating him?

Is murdering your neighbor, loving him or hating him?






JLB
 
Then why do Christians feel the need to try and keep the Commandments?

Because the Spirit who has written them on our heart and mind empowers us to obey Him, which is the way of love; loving God and loving our neighbor.


This is why His commandments are not burdensome.


For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. 1 John 5:3


If you love Me, keep My commandments. John 14:15






JLB
 
Because the Spirit who has written them on our heart and mind empowers us to obey Him, which is the way of love; loving God and loving our neighbor.


This is why His commandments are not burdensome.


For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. 1 John 5:3


If you love Me, keep My commandments. John 14:15






JLB
Christians are not Pharisees. Christians are led and taught by the Holy Spirit, not the law. The law is made for the lawless and disobedient, 1 Timothy 1:9.
 
If, "Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to those that believe" Romans 10:4, Then why do Christians feel the need to try and keep the Commandments? The answer is that they really don't have faith in Christ. The law and the commandments are their "Just in Case". Just in case Jesus did not fulfill the law. "Just in Case" Jesus is not who he claims to be.
Because 1 John 3:5-10, and John 14:15 contradicts your understanding of Scripture

1 John 3:5-10
5 But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin. 6 No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.
7 Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. 8 The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work. 9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. 10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister.

John 14:15
15 “If you love me, keep my commands.

And also because true Christians inherently hate sin and keeping God's commandments with the Holy Spirit's power and by the Holy Spirit's power alone removes sin from the equation. You can't just do whatever you want.

2 Corinthians 10:23 "You say, “I am allowed to do anything”—but not everything is good for you. You say, “I am allowed to do anything”—but not everything is beneficial."
1 Corinthians 6:12 "All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.
Galatians 5:17 "The Spirit wants what is against our sinful selves. The two are against each other. So you must not do just what you please."

Please just go by Scripture because when we add our own ideology/theology, that's when confusion arises, and God is not the author of confusion (1 Corinthians 14:33)

And the Pharisees weren't condemned because they were of the law, but because they PRETENDED to be of the law but weren't, they still secretly sinned and condemned the outward sinners. They didn't keep John 14:15, or the greatest commandment or the second one like it, that's why Jesus called them "Hypocrites" not "Law-followers".
 
Because the Spirit who has written them on our heart and mind empowers us to obey Him, which is the way of love; loving God and loving our neighbor.


This is why His commandments are not burdensome.


For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. 1 John 5:3


If you love Me, keep My commandments. John 14:15






JLB

That's not correct JLB! What God has written in our hearts, according to Jeremiah, was the "circumcision of the heart" taking place. As I have shown in one of my threads, this is the Spiritual Baptism, which is faith in the finished work of Christ.

Paul refers to it as "the circumcision made without hands." It's the opposite of the literal circumcision which requires hands to remove the foreskin of man, but Christ "removes the foreskin of the heart" as Jeremiah plainly said.

"Without hands" has a double meaning, it's spiritual not physical, and without the hands of works. This is the New Covenant way and is without any Law, but only by faith.

It appears you are still caught up in the Law, and have not graduated into the New Covenant.

If you want to argue this Law/Grace issue, you have found the right person!
 
That's not correct JLB! What God has written in our hearts, according to Jeremiah, was the "circumcision of the heart" taking place.


“Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the LORD. But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. Jeremiah 31:31-33


  • I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts;


You stand corrected.






JLB
 
As I have shown in one of my threads, this is the Spiritual Baptism, which is faith in the finished work of Christ.

Please show the scripture that teaches us about “faith in the finished work of the cross”.

Do you understand the law of faith?




JLB
 
You can't be both! The power of sin is enormous! It will continually have you question your behavior. It keeps you focused on the law! Am I being obedient or not???


I think its power is even more subtle than that, It keeps you focused on the sins of others too. I've never heard of the CASINO doctrine as you speak, but its characteristics are very evident. It's no different than MAGA Republicans calling others Republicans RINO because they don't consider them radical enough. But if someone considers themselves to be forgiven and under grace, yet constantly looks at the sins of others, then I would submit that they are and remain slaves to sin.
 
Last night the Lord showed me the fallacy of the CASINO doctrine. Never heard of it? Neither did I until He showed it to me.

CASINO stands for "Christians Are Saved In Name Only". It refers to Christians who believe that they are saved, yet still feel it necessary to be under the law. Lacking faith in Christ's sacrifice, they believe that they must be guided by written laws and/or commandments in order to be righteous or saved or ... (whatever rationale they choose). While they generally agree that the OT law is no longer binding, they divide it into subsets, e.g., sacrificial law, ceremonial law, moral law, etc., even though no such division exists in Scripture. They claim that without obedience to the law and commandments, a Christian is not really saved (or in obedience to God, or righteous in God's sight or other rationalizations.) They believe that unless a Christian obeys the law, they are not a true Christian -- CASINO.

I have previously posted arguments based on Romans 7:4-6, where Paul wrote "In the same way, my brothers and sisters, you have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead in order that we may bear fruit for God. For while we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions, aroused by the law, were at work in our members to bear fruit for death. But now we are discharged from the law, dead to that which held us captive, so that we are enslaved in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the written code." Apparently this section of Scripture wasn't clear enough.

Last night I was reading Romans 6. It says, in part, "For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace." This goes beyond what I had previously considered. It clearly says that you are either a) under the law or b) under grace. You can't be both! The power of sin is enormous! It will continually have you question your behavior. It keeps you focused on the law! Am I being obedient or not???

Now, if I go into a store, I intend to pay for those things that I choose to buy. Guess what? There is no temptation to steal! I don't need a commandment to tell me not to steal, because I am led by the Spirit. If my neighbor buys a new car, I may admire it, but I don't desire (covet) it. I am happy for her/him, nothing more. If I find my neighbors' wife attractive, I don't need a law to tell me to not try to seduce her. Beyond that, I don't need a law to tell me not to commit murder, as I have never been motivated to do so. All those desires -- stealing, coveting, seduction, murder -- and many others are created and energized by sin. BUT I AM DEAD TO SIN AND ALIVE TO GOD IN CHRIST JESUS!

Paul continues on in verses 16-18, "Do you not know that, if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness? But thanks be to God that you who were slaves of sin have become obedient from the heart to the form of teaching to which you were entrusted and that you, having been set free from sin, have become enslaved to righteousness." You cannot be both a slave to sin and a slave to righteousness. And if you are no longer a slave to sin, why do you need the law -- any kind of law -- to tell you right from wrong?

It makes me physically ill that some people who call themselves Christians still feel it necessary to have a set of laws and/or commandments to tell them how to behave! It is a denial of God's grace!
It goes against what is clearly written in God's word.

Romans 6:20-23, "When you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. So what fruit did you then gain from the things of which you now are ashamed? The end of those things is death.
But now that you have been freed from sin and enslaved to God, the fruit you have leads to sanctification, and the end is eternal life. For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."

I welcome any discussion about this subject. I especially want to hear from those who insist that, even though we are Christians, we must put ourselves back under the law (commandments, "moral law", etc.) and thereby give sin power in our lives.
Will anyone who loves God with all their heart, soul, and strength...and their neighbor as themselves, commit adultery, lie, murder, or steal from them?
Christians, by definition, don't do acts of hate.
We do what Jesus would do.
That is part of having the divine nature given to those reborn of God's seed.
We don't require a written law to tell us hijacking someone's car is sin.
 
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