The CASINO doctrine

[Free]

If, "Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to those that believe" Romans 10:4, Then why do Christians feel the need to try and keep the Commandments? The answer is that they really don't have faith in Christ. The law and the commandments are their "Just in Case". Just in case Jesus did not fulfill the law. "Just in Case" Jesus is not who he claims to be.

I believe what Paul actually wrote, not your version based on the fallacy of equivocation. What Paul actually wrote doesn’t contradict what Jesus said and John wrote, which, ironically, is that those who don’t follow Jesus’s commands are liars and not saved.

 

[Robert Pate]

I believe what Paul actually wrote, not your version based on the fallacy of equivocation. What Paul actually wrote doesn’t contradict what Jesus said and John wrote, which, ironically, is that those who don’t follow Jesus’s commands are liars and not saved.

To be under the law is to be under condemnation. No, you don't believe what Paul wrote. Paul said, "Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to those that believe" Romans 10:4. Why do you say that you believe what Paul wrote? The reason that Christ is the end of the law is because he fulfilled it then nailed it to his cross, Colossians 2:14.

 

[Charlie24]

“Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the LORD. But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. Jeremiah 31:31-33

• I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts;

You stand corrected.






JLB

Please show the scripture that teaches us about “faith in the finished work of the cross”.

Do you understand the law of faith?




JLB

The Law of faith is exclusively the faith in the finished work of Christ.

Anytime Paul uses "faith or believe" this is what he is speaking of.

1 Cor. 15:1-4
"Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

That is the finished work of Christ, that we must have faith in.

 

[Free]

To be under the law is to be under condemnation. No, you don't believe what Paul wrote. Paul said, "Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to those that believe" Romans 10:4. Why do you say that you believe what Paul wrote? The reason that Christ is the end of the law is because he fulfilled it then nailed it to his cross, Colossians 2:14.

Fallacy of equivocation. Your reasoning is in error and you would do well to correct it.

 

[Highway54]

Last night the Lord showed me the fallacy of the CASINO doctrine. Never heard of it? Neither did I until He showed it to me.

CASINO stands for "Christians Are Saved In Name Only". It refers to Christians who believe that they are saved, yet still feel it necessary to be under the law. Lacking faith in Christ's sacrifice, they believe that they must be guided by written laws and/or commandments in order to be righteous or saved or ... (whatever rationale they choose). While they generally agree that the OT law is no longer binding, they divide it into subsets, e.g., sacrificial law, ceremonial law, moral law, etc., even though no such division exists in Scripture. They claim that without obedience to the law and commandments, a Christian is not really saved (or in obedience to God, or righteous in God's sight or other rationalizations.) They believe that unless a Christian obeys the law, they are not a true Christian -- CASINO.

I have previously posted arguments based on Romans 7:4-6, where Paul wrote "In the same way, my brothers and sisters, you have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead in order that we may bear fruit for God. For while we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions, aroused by the law, were at work in our members to bear fruit for death. But now we are discharged from the law, dead to that which held us captive, so that we are enslaved in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the written code." Apparently this section of Scripture wasn't clear enough.

Last night I was reading Romans 6. It says, in part, "For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace." This goes beyond what I had previously considered. It clearly says that you are either a) under the law or b) under grace. You can't be both! The power of sin is enormous! It will continually have you question your behavior. It keeps you focused on the law! Am I being obedient or not???

Now, if I go into a store, I intend to pay for those things that I choose to buy. Guess what? There is no temptation to steal! I don't need a commandment to tell me not to steal, because I am led by the Spirit. If my neighbor buys a new car, I may admire it, but I don't desire (covet) it. I am happy for her/him, nothing more. If I find my neighbors' wife attractive, I don't need a law to tell me to not try to seduce her. Beyond that, I don't need a law to tell me not to commit murder, as I have never been motivated to do so. All those desires -- stealing, coveting, seduction, murder -- and many others are created and energized by sin. BUT I AM DEAD TO SIN AND ALIVE TO GOD IN CHRIST JESUS!

Paul continues on in verses 16-18, "Do you not know that, if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness? But thanks be to God that you who were slaves of sin have become obedient from the heart to the form of teaching to which you were entrusted and that you, having been set free from sin, have become enslaved to righteousness." You cannot be both a slave to sin and a slave to righteousness. And if you are no longer a slave to sin, why do you need the law -- any kind of law -- to tell you right from wrong?

It makes me physically ill that some people who call themselves Christians still feel it necessary to have a set of laws and/or commandments to tell them how to behave! It is a denial of God's grace! It goes against what is clearly written in God's word.

Romans 6:20-23, "When you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. So what fruit did you then gain from the things of which you now are ashamed? The end of those things is death. But now that you have been freed from sin and enslaved to God, the fruit you have leads to sanctification, and the end is eternal life. For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."

I welcome any discussion about this subject. I especially want to hear from those who insist that, even though we are Christians, we must put ourselves back under the law (commandments, "moral law", etc.) and thereby give sin power in our lives.

Never heard of it either Jay, no worries though, all true Christians will receive Salvation sir.

 

[Robert Pate]

Fallacy of equivocation. Your reasoning is in error and you would do well to correct it.

Please explain how my reasoning is error.

 

[Free]

Please explain how my reasoning is error.

I have, numerous times.

 

[Robert Pate]

I have, numerous times.

You have a law based theology that is not of faith.

 

[jaybo]

“Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the LORD. But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. Jeremiah 31:31-33

• I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts;

You stand corrected.






JLB

So which "house" are you from, the house of Israel or the house of Judah?

You stand corrected.

 

[jaybo]

I believe what Paul actually wrote, not your version based on the fallacy of equivocation. What Paul actually wrote doesn’t contradict what Jesus said and John wrote, which, ironically, is that those who don’t follow Jesus’s commands are liars and not saved.

Where did Paul write this? And to whom?

 

[JLB]

The Law of faith is exclusively the faith in the finished work of Christ.

Anytime Paul uses "faith or believe" this is what he is speaking of.

This statement proves you dont understand the law of faith or what the word believe means.


Faith is a noun.

Faith comes to us from God when we hear Him speak to us.

Faith must have the corresponding action of obedience or faith remains dead, dormant, inactive and therefore incomplete just as a body without a spirit is dead, and incomplete.

For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. James 2:26

This is why Paul calls it the obedience of faith.


But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith: Romans 16:26




Believe is a verb, and action word.

Believe is our part we do in response to God, when we hear Him.

Believe means commit, trust and obey.

Obey and believe are used interchangeably in scripture.


EXAMPLE:

He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him. John 3:36 NKJV

He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.
John 3:36 NASB


That is why we see both “believe” the Gospel and “obey” the Gospel.


But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “LORD, who has believed our report?” Romans 10:16





JLB

 

[Free]

You have a law based theology that is not of faith.

Absolutely false. Let's look at just some of what Paul says to believers:

Rom 13:1 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.
Rom 13:2 Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment.
Rom 13:3 For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval,
Rom 13:4 for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer.
Rom 13:5 Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience.
Rom 13:6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for the authorities are ministers of God, attending to this very thing.
Rom 13:7 Pay to all what is owed to them: taxes to whom taxes are owed, revenue to whom revenue is owed, respect to whom respect is owed, honor to whom honor is owed.
Rom 13:8 Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law.
Rom 13:9 For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”
Rom 13:10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
Rom 13:11 Besides this you know the time, that the hour has come for you to wake from sleep. For salvation is nearer to us now than when we first believed.
Rom 13:12 The night is far gone; the day is at hand. So then let us cast off the works of darkness and put on the armor of light.
Rom 13:13 Let us walk properly as in the daytime, not in orgies and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and sensuality, not in quarreling and jealousy.
Rom 13:14 But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh, to gratify its desires.

1Co 14:37 If anyone thinks that he is a prophet, or spiritual, he should acknowledge that the things I am writing to you are a command of the Lord.
1Co 14:38 If anyone does not recognize this, he is not recognized.
1Co 14:39 So, my brothers, earnestly desire to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues.

2Th 3:4 And we have confidence in the Lord about you, that you are doing and will do the things that we command.
2Th 3:5 May the Lord direct your hearts to the love of God and to the steadfastness of Christ.
2Th 3:6 Now we command you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you keep away from any brother who is walking in idleness and not in accord with the tradition that you received from us.
2Th 3:7 For you yourselves know how you ought to imitate us, because we were not idle when we were with you,
2Th 3:8 nor did we eat anyone's bread without paying for it, but with toil and labor we worked night and day, that we might not be a burden to any of you.
2Th 3:9 It was not because we do not have that right, but to give you in ourselves an example to imitate.
2Th 3:10 For even when we were with you, we would give you this command: If anyone is not willing to work, let him not eat.
2Th 3:11 For we hear that some among you walk in idleness, not busy at work, but busybodies.
2Th 3:12 Now such persons we command and encourage in the Lord Jesus Christ to do their work quietly and to earn their own living.
2Th 3:13 As for you, brothers, do not grow weary in doing good.
2Th 3:14 If anyone does not obey what we say in this letter, take note of that person, and have nothing to do with him, that he may be ashamed.
2Th 3:15 Do not regard him as an enemy, but warn him as a brother.

1Ti 4:11 Command and teach these things.

1Ti 5:7 Command these things as well, so that they may be without reproach.

1Ti 6:13 I charge you in the presence of God, who gives life to all things, and of Christ Jesus, who in his testimony before Pontius Pilate made the good confession,
1Ti 6:14 to keep the commandment unstained and free from reproach until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ,

(All ESV.)

That is a lot of rules and commands for believers, which includes commanding Timothy to command other believers.

 

[Charlie24]

This statement proves you dont understand the law of faith or what the word believe means.


Faith is a noun.

Faith comes to us from God when we hear Him speak to us.

Faith must have the corresponding action of obedience or faith remains dead, dormant, inactive and therefore incomplete just as a body without a spirit is dead, and incomplete.

For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. James 2:26

This is why Paul calls it the obedience of faith.


But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith: Romans 16:26




Believe is a verb, and action word.

Believe is our part we do in response to God, when we hear Him.

Believe means commit, trust and obey.

Obey and believe are used interchangeably in scripture.


EXAMPLE:

He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him. John 3:36 NKJV

He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.
John 3:36 NASB


That is why we see both “believe” the Gospel and “obey” the Gospel.


But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “LORD, who has believed our report?” Romans 10:16





JLB

Let me show you what obeying is all about, in any form of obeying, whether it be keeping Commandments of Law or Christ.

This is New Covenant obeying, and John tells us exactly what it is!

1 John 3:22-24
"And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us."

We don't keep the Commandments by doing, we keep them by faith in Christ that allows the Holy Spirit the legal right "to fulfill the righteousness in us."

 

[JLB]

So which "house" are you from, the house of Israel or the house of Judah?

You stand corrected.

This statement explains why you don’t seem to understand much about the scriptures.


So you are not in the New Covenant?

Gentiles are indeed grafted in the Covenant.


For I speak to you Gentiles; inasmuch as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry, if by any means I may provoke to jealousy those who are my flesh and save some of them. For if their being cast away is the reconciling of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead?
For if the firstfruit is holy, the lump is also holy; and if the root is holy, so are the branches. And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them became a partaker of the root and fatness of the olive tree, do not boast against the branches. But if you do boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you.
You will say then, “Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.” Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. Romans 11:13-20



Behold! My Servant whom I uphold,
My Elect One in whom My soul delights!
I have put My Spirit upon Him;
He will bring forth justice to the Gentiles.
He will not cry out, nor raise His voice,
Nor cause His voice to be heard in the street.
A bruised reed He will not break,
And smoking flax He will not quench;
He will bring forth justice for truth.
He will not fail nor be discouraged,
Till He has established justice in the earth;
And the coastlands shall wait for His law.”
Thus says God the LORD,
Who created the heavens and stretched them out,
Who spread forth the earth and that which comes from it,
Who gives breath to the people on it,
And spirit to those who walk on it:
“I, the LORD, have called You in righteousness,
And will hold Your hand;
I will keep You and give You as a covenant to the people,
As a light to the Gentiles,
Isaiah 42:1-6


For I received from the Lord that which I also delivered to you: that the Lord Jesus on the same night in which He was betrayed took bread; and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, “Take, eat; this is My body which is broken for you; do this in remembrance of Me.” In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.” 1 Corinthians 11:23-25



JLB

 

[Free]

Looking at Peter:

1Pe 3:15 but in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect,
1Pe 3:16 having a good conscience, so that, when you are slandered, those who revile your good behavior in Christ may be put to shame. (ESV)

A few commands for believers there.

And John:

1Jn 2:3 And by this we know that we have come to know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jn 2:4 Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him,
...
1Jn 2:7 Beloved, I am writing you no new commandment, but an old commandment that you had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word that you have heard.
1Jn 2:8 At the same time, it is a new commandment that I am writing to you, which is true in him and in you, because the darkness is passing away and the true light is already shining.

1Jn 3:22 and whatever we ask we receive from him, because we keep his commandments and do what pleases him.
1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, that we believe in the name of his Son Jesus Christ and love one another, just as he has commanded us.
1Jn 3:24 Whoever keeps his commandments abides in God, and God in him. And by this we know that he abides in us, by the Spirit whom he has given us.

1Jn 4:20 If anyone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen.
1Jn 4:21 And this commandment we have from him: whoever loves God must also love his brother.

2Jn 1:4 I rejoiced greatly to find some of your children walking in the truth, just as we were commanded by the Father.
2Jn 1:5 And now I ask you, dear lady—not as though I were writing you a new commandment, but the one we have had from the beginning—that we love one another.
2Jn 1:6 And this is love, that we walk according to his commandments; this is the commandment, just as you have heard from the beginning, so that you should walk in it.

(All ESV.)

Not only a number of commands there, but clearly that they "were commanded by the Father."

So, all of this makes us question why the apostles would make rules and commands for believers, including commanding believers to command other believers. Simply because Jesus modeled it for them and then commanded them to go and do the same:

Mat 28:19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
Mat 28:20 teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.” (ESV)

Here are a few questions, Robert Pate :

1. Does Paul write commands for believers?
2. Does Paul command Timothy to command other believers?
3. Does John say that we should follow the commands of Jesus?
4. What does John say about those who say they know Jesus but don’t follow his commandments?
5. Did Jesus command the disciples to go and make disciples, and to teach them to observe all that he commanded them?

 

[JLB]

Let me show you what obeying is all about, in any form of obeying, whether it be keeping Commandments of Law or Christ.

This is New Covenant obeying, and John tells us exactly what it is!

1 John 3:22-24
"And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us."

We don't keep the Commandments by doing, we keep them by faith in Christ that allows the Holy Spirit the legal right "to fulfill the righteousness in us."

Brother keeping the commandment of not murdering or not stealing or not committing adultery means you don’t do it.

Because the Spirit of God within you is leading you in the way of righteousness.


“By faith” simply means God spoke to you, in which you receive faith from Him, and you obey what He said.

Example of by faith —


By faith Abraham obeyed when he was called to go out to the place which he would receive as an inheritance. And he went out, not knowing where he was going. Hebrews 11:8

This is how we are justified by faith; the obedience of faith.


again


By faith Noah, being divinely warned of things not yet seen, moved with godly fear, prepared an ark for the saving of his household, by which he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness which is according to faith. Hebrews 11:7


God spoke to Noah to build the Ark, warning him of the flood that was coming.

Noah now has faith.

Noah responds by moving with godly fear and builds the Ark, in obedience to hearing God.

Noah became righteous according to faith; the obedience of faith.






JLB

 

[Charlie24]

Brother keeping the commandment of not murdering or not stealing or not committing adultery means you don’t do it.

Because the Spirit of God within you is leading you in the way of righteousness.


“By faith” simply means God spoke to you, in which you receive faith from Him, and you obey what He said.

Example of by faith —


By faith Abraham obeyed when he was called to go out to the place which he would receive as an inheritance. And he went out, not knowing where he was going. Hebrews 11:8

This is how we are justified by faith; the obedience of faith.


again


By faith Noah, being divinely warned of things not yet seen, moved with godly fear, prepared an ark for the saving of his household, by which he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness which is according to faith. Hebrews 11:7


God spoke to Noah to build the Ark, warning him of the flood that was coming.

Noah now has faith.

Noah responds by moving with godly fear and builds the Ark, in obedience to hearing God.

Noah became righteous according to faith; the obedience of faith.






JLB

The point I'm making is that all of these men obeyed in works because they had faith.

Without faith in God, none of them would have obeyed in works.

This is the whole principle of James' epistle.

Our physical works prove our faith. Not that faith+works=salvation.

 

[jaybo]

Absolutely false. Let's look at just some of what Paul says to believers:

Rom 13:1 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.
Rom 13:2 Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment.
Rom 13:3 For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval,
Rom 13:4 for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer.
Rom 13:5 Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience.
Rom 13:6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for the authorities are ministers of God, attending to this very thing.
Rom 13:7 Pay to all what is owed to them: taxes to whom taxes are owed, revenue to whom revenue is owed, respect to whom respect is owed, honor to whom honor is owed.
Rom 13:8 Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law.
Rom 13:9 For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”
Rom 13:10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
Rom 13:11 Besides this you know the time, that the hour has come for you to wake from sleep. For salvation is nearer to us now than when we first believed.
Rom 13:12 The night is far gone; the day is at hand. So then let us cast off the works of darkness and put on the armor of light.
Rom 13:13 Let us walk properly as in the daytime, not in orgies and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and sensuality, not in quarreling and jealousy.
Rom 13:14 But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh, to gratify its desires.

1Co 14:37 If anyone thinks that he is a prophet, or spiritual, he should acknowledge that the things I am writing to you are a command of the Lord.
1Co 14:38 If anyone does not recognize this, he is not recognized.
1Co 14:39 So, my brothers, earnestly desire to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues.

2Th 3:4 And we have confidence in the Lord about you, that you are doing and will do the things that we command.
2Th 3:5 May the Lord direct your hearts to the love of God and to the steadfastness of Christ.
2Th 3:6 Now we command you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you keep away from any brother who is walking in idleness and not in accord with the tradition that you received from us.
2Th 3:7 For you yourselves know how you ought to imitate us, because we were not idle when we were with you,
2Th 3:8 nor did we eat anyone's bread without paying for it, but with toil and labor we worked night and day, that we might not be a burden to any of you.
2Th 3:9 It was not because we do not have that right, but to give you in ourselves an example to imitate.
2Th 3:10 For even when we were with you, we would give you this command: If anyone is not willing to work, let him not eat.
2Th 3:11 For we hear that some among you walk in idleness, not busy at work, but busybodies.
2Th 3:12 Now such persons we command and encourage in the Lord Jesus Christ to do their work quietly and to earn their own living.
2Th 3:13 As for you, brothers, do not grow weary in doing good.
2Th 3:14 If anyone does not obey what we say in this letter, take note of that person, and have nothing to do with him, that he may be ashamed.
2Th 3:15 Do not regard him as an enemy, but warn him as a brother.

1Ti 4:11 Command and teach these things.

1Ti 5:7 Command these things as well, so that they may be without reproach.

1Ti 6:13 I charge you in the presence of God, who gives life to all things, and of Christ Jesus, who in his testimony before Pontius Pilate made the good confession,
1Ti 6:14 to keep the commandment unstained and free from reproach until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ,

(All ESV.)

That is a lot of rules and commands for believers, which includes commanding Timothy to command other believers.

This nothing but authoritarianism. I believe what the Bible clearly says, not your flawed interpretation.

Romans 6:5-23, " For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we will certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his. We know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body of sin might be destroyed, so we might no longer be enslaved to sin. For whoever has died is freed from sin. But if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. We know that Christ, being raised from the dead, will never die again; death no longer has dominion over him. The death he died, he died to sin once for all, but the life he lives, he lives to God. So you also must consider yourselves dead to sin and alive to God in Christ Jesus.

Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal bodies, so that you obey their desires. No longer present your members to sin as instruments of unrighteousness, but present yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life, and present your members to God as instruments of righteousness. For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.

What then? Should we sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means! Do you not know that, if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness? But thanks be to God that you who were slaves of sin have become obedient from the heart to the form of teaching to which you were entrusted and that you, having been set free from sin, have become enslaved to righteousness. I am speaking in human terms because of your limitations. For just as you once presented your members as slaves to impurity and lawlessness, leading to even more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves to righteousness, leading to sanctification. When you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. So what fruit did you then gain from the things of which you now are ashamed? The end of those things is death. But now that you have been freed from sin and enslaved to God, the fruit you have leads to sanctification, and the end is eternal life. For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."

WE HAVE BEEN FREED FROM SIN. WE NO LONGER NEED COMMANDS OF ANY KIND, as those are instructions for those who still are controlled by their sin nature. THE SIN NATURE NEEDS EXTERNAL COMMANDS AND CONTROLS, THE NEW NATURE DOES NOT!

 

[Robert Pate]

This nothing but authoritarianism. I believe what the Bible clearly says, not your flawed interpretation.

Romans 6:5-23, " For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we will certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his. We know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body of sin might be destroyed, so we might no longer be enslaved to sin. For whoever has died is freed from sin. But if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. We know that Christ, being raised from the dead, will never die again; death no longer has dominion over him. The death he died, he died to sin once for all, but the life he lives, he lives to God. So you also must consider yourselves dead to sin and alive to God in Christ Jesus.

Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal bodies, so that you obey their desires. No longer present your members to sin as instruments of unrighteousness, but present yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life, and present your members to God as instruments of righteousness. For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.

What then? Should we sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means! Do you not know that, if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness? But thanks be to God that you who were slaves of sin have become obedient from the heart to the form of teaching to which you were entrusted and that you, having been set free from sin, have become enslaved to righteousness. I am speaking in human terms because of your limitations. For just as you once presented your members as slaves to impurity and lawlessness, leading to even more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves to righteousness, leading to sanctification. When you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. So what fruit did you then gain from the things of which you now are ashamed? The end of those things is death. But now that you have been freed from sin and enslaved to God, the fruit you have leads to sanctification, and the end is eternal life. For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."

WE HAVE BEEN FREED FROM SIN. WE NO LONGER NEED COMMANDS OF ANY KIND, as those are instructions for those who still are controlled by their sin nature. THE SIN NATURE NEEDS EXTERNAL COMMANDS AND CONTROLS, THE NEW NATURE DOES NOT!

Excellent. This is why Paul said, "Knowing this (the Gospel) that the law is not made for the righteous man (Christians) but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for homosexuals, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine" 1 Timothy 1:9-10.

 

[JLB]

The Law of faith is exclusively the faith in the finished work of Christ.

Anytime Paul uses "faith or believe" this is what he is speaking of.

Faith is a noun.

Believe is a verb.