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The Conclusion of Acts 15 !

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23 They wrote this letter by them: The apostles, the elders, and the brethren, To the brethren who are of the Gentiles in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia: Greetings. 24 Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, "You must be circumcised and keep the law"--to whom we gave no such commandment.


The conclusion of the matter in Jerusalem concerning the believer and the Law of Moses.

"You must be circumcised and keep the law"--to whom we gave no such commandment.



There are those that would teach that the conclusion of the meeting in Jerusalem with the Apostles and the elders together with all the Church and the Holy Spirit was that believers should keep the Law of Moses and be circumcised.

How many believe that This Council at Jerusalem concluded that believers should keep the Law of Moses?


JLB



 
There are those that would teach that the conclusion of the meeting in Jerusalem with the Apostles and the elders together with all the Church and the Holy Spirit was that believers should keep the Law of Moses and be circumcised.

From the Gospel of grace (Romans 11:5-6) to "another gospel"; a works gospel (Galatians 1:6-8)

But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God. (Romans 2:29; Ezekiel 36:26-27).
 
23 They wrote this letter by them: The apostles, the elders, and the brethren, To the brethren who are of the Gentiles in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia: Greetings. 24 Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, "You must be circumcised and keep the law"--to whom we gave no such commandment.


The conclusion of the matter in Jerusalem concerning the believer and the Law of Moses.

"You must be circumcised and keep the law"--to whom we gave no such commandment.



There are those that would teach that the conclusion of the meeting in Jerusalem with the Apostles and the elders together with all the Church and the Holy Spirit was that believers should keep the Law of Moses and be circumcised.

How many believe that This Council at Jerusalem concluded that believers should keep the Law of Moses?


JLB




Some eyes do not see well???
Acts.15

[1] And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.
[2] When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question.

(about what matter? and lets skip some of it)

[4] And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the church, and of the apostles and elders, and they declared all things that God had done with them.
[5] But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

[6] And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of [ this matter.]
[7] And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
(obey all of it)

[8] And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
[9] And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.

[10] Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
[11] But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

[12] Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them.
[13] And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me:
[14] Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.
[15] And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,
[16] After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:
[17] That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.

[18] Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.
[19] Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:

[20] But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
[21] For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.
[22] Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren:
[23] And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia:

[24] Forasmuch as we have heard, [[that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:]]

And if anyone can find a 7th Day Sabbath in this Law from Moses pen, they are in error!
--Elijah
 
From the text, mostly quoted in the previous post, it appears that the Pharisees and Sadducees - collectively known as the Sanhedrin - were trying to impose the ceremonial Law with its rules on the Gentile Christians. Paul and Barnabas were Jewish Christian who saw the futility in this. As did James who said why are we trying to impose something on the Gentiles that we have been unable to bear. In other words they, the Jews, couldn't keep the Law why were they trying to impose on the Gentiles.

The Council at Jerusalem voted the imposition down.
 
This is just one of many which is used to get many folks off of the straight & NARROW PATH! (devils lie)
The false teaching of the rich man & Lazarus seen in Luke is another.

7 Day Sabbath is the one that 'most' hate with a large number taking different positions against its COMMANDS!

Then comes OSAS and having a lost sinner regardless of the offence burning in hell ETERNALLY.

And the IMMORTAL soul that call God a liar! (In Gen. 3:4)

Yes! and God had preplanned the WHOLE satanic mess! (with no freedom of choice)

--Elijah
 
Gentiles - Non Jewish believers (they were mostly greek but now include all nations)

Bretheren - Brothers and Sisters

Tabernalce- where the holiest of holies was in the Jewish temple.

Pharisees & Sadducees - One division of the Religious leaders were called Pharisees and the other were called Sadducees. Sadducees did not believe in the spiritual world like angels and the resurrection of the dead. The pharisees confessed both angels and the resurrection of the dead.

Hope this explains it.
 
This is just one of many which is used to get many folks off of the straight & NARROW PATH! (devils lie)
The false teaching of the rich man & Lazarus seen in Luke is another.

7 Day Sabbath is the one that 'most' hate with a large number taking different positions against its COMMANDS!

Then comes OSAS and having a lost sinner regardless of the offence burning in hell ETERNALLY.

And the IMMORTAL soul that call God a liar! (In Gen. 3:4)

Yes! and God had preplanned the WHOLE satanic mess! (with no freedom of choice)

--Elijah

You didn't address VS. 23 Elijah. Of course that is to be expected when such statements eradicate false positions.

No, the Apostles gave no such dictates, that the Law must be kept to be saved. Sitting in the pew on Saturday will avail exactly nada, and there are scriptural reasons why that is a fact.

All are tempted by Satan.

That temptation transpires within.

It's not just 'people' sitting in the pew on Saturday or any other day.

Any believer who is honest knows they have temptation of the tempter 'within.' Where then does that place the tempter? hmmmm? Big mystery huh?

Is the tempter who sits in the pew on Saturday within the minds of all legally obedient? What is that understanding? Some kind of joke or what?

The Apostles never gave such dictates because even when a man is legal on the outside they certainly are not on the inside regardless of their claims of being so. It's just unfortunate that some believers have to live their whole lives before they are led to see a simple scriptural fact.

Bon Voyage.

enjoy!

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From the text, mostly quoted in the previous post, it appears that the Pharisees and Sadducees - collectively known as the Sanhedrin - were trying to impose the ceremonial Law with its rules on the Gentile Christians. Paul and Barnabas were Jewish Christian who saw the futility in this. As did James who said why are we trying to impose something on the Gentiles that we have been unable to bear. In other words they, the Jews, couldn't keep the Law why were they trying to impose on the Gentiles.

The Council at Jerusalem voted the imposition down.

Yes.

However Messianic Judaism teaches that Acts 15 is proof that we are to keep the Law.

There is a formal head of Messianic Judaism called The Jerusalem Council.

I will post a paragraph from what they teach about keeping the Law of Moses and circumcision with a link to there site.

Do I need to be circumcised?

Yes, it’s part of keeping the Covenant.
It is a sign of the Covenant, in that it is a sign as to Who the Messiah is, in that he does not come by human effort, and that He is the “seed of the woman†prophesied in Genesis 3:15.

It is also required of all males who wish to eat of the Passover. Yeshua commanded “do this is remembrance of me,†that is, the Passover. Those males who desire to follow his charge concerning Passover, must also submit to the Torah’s requirements for keeping it, which includes circumcision.

http://jerusalemcouncil.org/articles/faqs/do-i-need-to-be-circumcised/
The also teach that to repent means to return to the Torah.

As well as Jesus is a man and not God.

http://jerusalemcouncil.org/articles/faqs/is-yeshua-god/

The Jerusalem Council

A Global Association of Orthodox Jewish Believers in Messiah Yeshua


Check out there web site and see for yourself what "Messianic Judaism" teaches.


JLB
 
From the text, mostly quoted in the previous post, it appears that the Pharisees and Sadducees - collectively known as the Sanhedrin - were trying to impose the ceremonial Law with its rules on the Gentile Christians. Paul and Barnabas were Jewish Christian who saw the futility in this. As did James who said why are we trying to impose something on the Gentiles that we have been unable to bear. In other words they, the Jews, couldn't keep the Law why were they trying to impose on the Gentiles.

The Council at Jerusalem voted the imposition down.

Yes.

However Messianic Judaism teaches that Acts 15 is proof that we are to keep the Law.

There is a formal head of Messianic Judaism called The Jerusalem Council.

I will post a paragraph from what they teach about keeping the Law of Moses and circumcision with a link to there site.

Do I need to be circumcised?

Yes, it’s part of keeping the Covenant.
It is a sign of the Covenant, in that it is a sign as to Who the Messiah is, in that he does not come by human effort, and that He is the “seed of the woman” prophesied in Genesis 3:15.

It is also required of all males who wish to eat of the Passover. Yeshua commanded “do this is remembrance of me,” that is, the Passover. Those males who desire to follow his charge concerning Passover, must also submit to the Torah’s requirements for keeping it, which includes circumcision.

http://jerusalemcouncil.org/articles/faqs/do-i-need-to-be-circumcised/
The also teach that to repent means to return to the Torah.

As well as Jesus is a man and not God.

http://jerusalemcouncil.org/articles/faqs/is-yeshua-god/

The Jerusalem Council

A Global Association of Orthodox Jewish Believers in Messiah Yeshua


Check out there web site and see for yourself what "Messianic Judaism" teaches.


JLB


This is not what all messianic jews believe.
Jews for Jesus has been around since 1973 and they don't believe that at all.
You can go to their website to see what they believe.
I have worshipped with 2 other messianic organizations in the past and they don't believe as you are pointing out either.
 
This is just one of many which is used to get many folks off of the straight & NARROW PATH! (devils lie)
The false teaching of the rich man & Lazarus seen in Luke is another.

7 Day Sabbath is the one that 'most' hate with a large number taking different positions against its COMMANDS!

Then comes OSAS and having a lost sinner regardless of the offence burning in hell ETERNALLY.

And the IMMORTAL soul that call God a liar! (In Gen. 3:4)

Yes! and God had preplanned the WHOLE satanic mess! (with no freedom of choice)

--Elijah

You didn't address VS. 23 Elijah. Of course that is to be expected when such statements eradicate false positions.

No, the Apostles gave no such dictates, that the Law must be kept to be saved. Sitting in the pew on Saturday will avail exactly nada, and there are scriptural reasons why that is a fact.

All are tempted by Satan.

That temptation transpires within.

It's not just 'people' sitting in the pew on Saturday or any other day.

Any believer who is honest knows they have temptation of the tempter 'within.' Where then does that place the tempter? hmmmm? Big mystery huh?

Is the tempter who sits in the pew on Saturday within the minds of all legally obedient? What is that understanding? Some kind of joke or what?

The Apostles never gave such dictates because even when a man is legal on the outside they certainly are not on the inside regardless of their claims of being so. It's just unfortunate that some believers have to live their whole lives before they are led to see a simple scriptural fact.

Bon Voyage.

enjoy!

smaller

That is the truth. But NO one will be saved without Loving the Master, and by obeying His 7th day Sabbath Commandment when that last day approaches. Rev. 12:17

--Elijah
 
This is just one of many which is used to get many folks off of the straight & NARROW PATH! (devils lie)
The false teaching of the rich man & Lazarus seen in Luke is another.

7 Day Sabbath is the one that 'most' hate with a large number taking different positions against its COMMANDS!

Then comes OSAS and having a lost sinner regardless of the offence burning in hell ETERNALLY.

And the IMMORTAL soul that call God a liar! (In Gen. 3:4)

Yes! and God had preplanned the WHOLE satanic mess! (with no freedom of choice)

--Elijah

You didn't address VS. 23 Elijah. Of course that is to be expected when such statements eradicate false positions.

No, the Apostles gave no such dictates, that the Law must be kept to be saved. Sitting in the pew on Saturday will avail exactly nada, and there are scriptural reasons why that is a fact.

All are tempted by Satan.

That temptation transpires within.

It's not just 'people' sitting in the pew on Saturday or any other day.

Any believer who is honest knows they have temptation of the tempter 'within.' Where then does that place the tempter? hmmmm? Big mystery huh?

Is the tempter who sits in the pew on Saturday within the minds of all legally obedient? What is that understanding? Some kind of joke or what?

The Apostles never gave such dictates because even when a man is legal on the outside they certainly are not on the inside regardless of their claims of being so. It's just unfortunate that some believers have to live their whole lives before they are led to see a simple scriptural fact.

Bon Voyage.

enjoy!

smaller

That is the truth. But NO one will be saved without Loving the Master, and by obeying His 7th day Sabbath Commandment when that last day approaches. Rev. 12:17

--Elijah

I suppose tithing is something to do also.
I challenge you to find a Jewish congregation anywhere that tithes.
 
I have worshipped with 2 other messianic organizations in the past and they don't believe as you are pointing out either.

I am sure they are many beliefs within Messianic Organizations.

I pointed to what the religion of "Messianic Judaism" believes and teaches.

Psalm 119 ministries is another that teaches Christians to keep the law of Moses.

http://www.testeverything.net/our-teachings

Again I am sure that there are "Messianic Organizations" that may believe other things.

Messianic Judaism teaches that after a person is saved they must keep the law of Moses and be Circumcised.

Acts 15 is in direct opposition to what Messianic Judaism teaches.


JLB
 
That is the truth. But NO one will be saved without Loving the Master, and by obeying His 7th day Sabbath Commandment when that last day approaches. Rev. 12:17

--Elijah

News point number 2. No Sabbath day attendee becomes any less the sinner by doing so nor do such become temporarily sinless.

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I have worshipped with 2 other messianic organizations in the past and they don't believe as you are pointing out either.

I am sure they are many beliefs within Messianic Organizations.

I pointed to what the religion of "Messianic Judaism" believes and teaches.

Psalm 119 ministries is another that teaches Christians to keep the law of Moses.

http://www.testeverything.net/our-teachings

Again I am sure that there are "Messianic Organizations" that may believe other things.

Messianic Judaism teaches that after a person is saved they must keep the law of Moses and be Circumcised.

Acts 15 is in direct opposition to what Messianic Judaism teaches.


JLB

This is a Messianic congregation local to me and I have visited many times.

They don't teach what you are claiming...
http://www.bethisraelworshipcenter.org/Index.htm

I believe in Joshua 8:31 is the very first occurrence where we find the phrase "Law of Moses". Question: Does the Ten Commandments oversee the Law of Moses, or is it vice versa?
 
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I have worshipped with 2 other messianic organizations in the past and they don't believe as you are pointing out either.

I am sure they are many beliefs within Messianic Organizations.

I pointed to what the religion of "Messianic Judaism" believes and teaches.

Psalm 119 ministries is another that teaches Christians to keep the law of Moses.

http://www.testeverything.net/our-teachings

Again I am sure that there are "Messianic Organizations" that may believe other things.

Messianic Judaism teaches that after a person is saved they must keep the law of Moses and be Circumcised.

Acts 15 is in direct opposition to what Messianic Judaism teaches.


JLB

This is a Messianic congregation local to me and I have visited many times.

They don't teach what you are claiming...
http://www.bethisraelworshipcenter.org/Index.htm

I believe in Joshua 8:31 is the very first occurrence where we find the phrase "Law of Moses". Question: Does the Ten Commandments oversee the Law of Moses, or is it vice versa?


Joe, I'm sorry that I'm not making myself clear.

I am sure there are many "Messianic Congregations" that may or may not teach that believers in Christ must keep the law of Moses and be Circumcised.

Messianic Judaism, as a religion, teaches this.


JLB
 
I have worshipped with 2 other messianic organizations in the past and they don't believe as you are pointing out either.

I am sure they are many beliefs within Messianic Organizations.

I pointed to what the religion of "Messianic Judaism" believes and teaches.

Psalm 119 ministries is another that teaches Christians to keep the law of Moses.

http://www.testeverything.net/our-teachings

Again I am sure that there are "Messianic Organizations" that may believe other things.

Messianic Judaism teaches that after a person is saved they must keep the law of Moses and be Circumcised.

Acts 15 is in direct opposition to what Messianic Judaism teaches.


JLB

This is a Messianic congregation local to me and I have visited many times.

They don't teach what you are claiming...
http://www.bethisraelworshipcenter.org/Index.htm

I believe in Joshua 8:31 is the very first occurrence where we find the phrase "Law of Moses". Question: Does the Ten Commandments oversee the Law of Moses, or is it vice versa?


Joe, I'm sorry that I'm not making myself clear.

I am sure there are many "Messianic Congregations" that may or may not teach that believers in Christ must keep the law of Moses and be Circumcised.

Messianic Judaism, as a religion, teaches this.


JLB

All of messianic judaism does not teach this.
Does the roman catholic church speak for all of christianity?
They may claim they do but they don't.
Same thing.
 
This is a Messianic congregation local to me and I have visited many times.

They don't teach what you are claiming...
http://www.bethisraelworshipcenter.org/Index.htm

I believe in Joshua 8:31 is the very first occurrence where we find the phrase "Law of Moses". Question: Does the Ten Commandments oversee the Law of Moses, or is it vice versa?


Joe, I'm sorry that I'm not making myself clear.

I am sure there are many "Messianic Congregations" that may or may not teach that believers in Christ must keep the law of Moses and be Circumcised.

Messianic Judaism, as a religion, teaches this.


JLB

All of messianic judaism does not teach this.
Does the roman catholic church speak for all of christianity?
They may claim they do but they don't.
Same thing.

Roman Catholicism teaches the doctrines of Catholicism. It is not Christian, nor does it teach Christian doctrine.

You have made my point.

Messianic Judaism teaches it's doctrines. That does not mean all those who practice Messianic Judaism all believe the same thing.

Messianic Judaism is not Christian, just as Catholicism is not Christian.

There are some Catholics that are Christian as well as there are Messianic's that are christian.

Furthermore they teach that righteousness comes from the Law by keeping the law.

The Father’s commandment leads to eternal life. What is that commandment?

Deuteronomy 6:1 Now this is the commandment, the statutes and the judgments which the LORD your G-d has commanded me to teach you, that you might do them in the land where you are going over to possess it,
2 so that you and your son and your grandson might fear the LORD your G-d, to keep all His statutes and His commandments which I command you, all the days of your life, and that your days may be prolonged.
3 “O Israel, you should listen and be careful to do it, that it may be well with you and that you may multiply greatly, just as the LORD, the G-d of your fathers, has promised you, in a land flowing with milk and honey.
4 “Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our G-d, the LORD is one!
5 “You shall love the LORD your G-d with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your might.
The “commandment†goes all the way to vs 25:
Deut 6:25
“It will be righteousness for us if we are careful to observe all this commandment before the LORD our G-d, just as He commanded us.


It is righteousness for us if we observe “the commandment†of Deut 6:1-25!


http://jerusalemcouncil.org/articles/teaching/torah-101-one-commandment/
JLB
 
Messianic Judaism is not Christian

Please elaborate.

They teach "another" gospel as Paul wrote of in his letter to the Galatians.

6 I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, 7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed. Galatians 1:6-9

Another Gospel is a direct reference to Messianic Jews trying to compel new Gentile Christians to "keep the law of Moses and become Circumcised", which is EXACTLY what Messianic Judaism teaches! EXACTLY!

Well meaning people that are caught up in the teachings of Messianic Judaism need to be warned and told the truth.

What they believe from Acts 15 -

Acts 15:23-29


The ruling of the Jerusalem Council in Acts 15, in Hebrew, Greek, and English, instructing new converts to Judaism from the nations to immediately cease from four activities engaged with idol worship.

By this statement they teach that new gentile believers were actually "new converts to Judaism", that Paul was converting people to Judaism.

I ask you to read what these people teach, by going to there site and reading what they are teaching.

http://jerusalemcouncil.org/articles/


JLB



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