Bible Study The conference that is held in Heaven

[iLOVE]

I'll give him personal charismatic points, but I don't consider him all that bright about understanding scripture. Most of these guys are really good at working a crowd and pinching 'em for a buck. It's a learned art form. I've done it myself many times in business. I do think he'll be saved, regardless. But as to the stories about Satan in heaven waiting to be tossed out? Uh, maybe not so much. I think Satan does what he was made to do by God.

God is the one that justifies, not man.

Some Believers, immature in the Word, have the idea that anyone who falls is weak. That is not necessarily so! The Truth is, if the Lord allowed the pressure to be applied to most, as He did David or Paul, or Peter for that matter, or a host of others, they would not only fall, but be totally destroyed in the process. God allows Satan certain latitude according to the particular Call on the individual's life, which will, most of the time, necessitate a certain spiritual maturity. None of this is any excuse for failure, but, nevertheless, the situation is never as simple as it seems, or some people make it out to be. The only experts on these battles are those who have never fought them.

Forty years in the desert was needed to humble (Moses) the strength of the "flesh" and destroy its hope; the possible king of Egypt was now an obscure shepherd.

Pastor Jimmy Swaggart and Williams Commentary's

 

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God is the one that justifies, not man.

Never said otherwise.

Some Believers, immature in the Word, have the idea that anyone who falls is weak. That is not necessarily so! The Truth is, if the Lord allowed the pressure to be applied to most, as He did David or Paul, or Peter for that matter, or a host of others, they would not only fall, but be totally destroyed in the process. God allows Satan certain latitude according to the particular Call on the individual's life, which will, most of the time, necessitate a certain spiritual maturity. None of this is any excuse for failure, but, nevertheless, the situation is never as simple as it seems, or some people make it out to be. The only experts on these battles are those who have never fought them.

What I observed from the outset is that scriptures show us Satan and devils are already here on earth and that the whole world is deceived by him/them. That means everyone who has ever lived in the flesh other than God in Christ while in the flesh on earth, and Satan and his kingdom have been withIN man's flesh since the serpent was in the garden. 1 John 3:8 shows sin is intimately connected to the devil. Not some sin. Sin.

I don't know why anyone would bother looking anywhere else for them.

 

[iLOVE]

Never said otherwise.


What I observed from the outset is that scriptures show us Satan and devils are already here on earth and that the whole world is deceived by him/them. That means everyone who has ever lived in the flesh other than God in Christ while in the flesh on earth, and Satan and his kingdom have been withIN man's flesh since the serpent was in the garden. 1 John 3:8 shows sin is intimately connected to the devil. Not some sin. Sin.

I don't know why anyone would bother looking anywhere else for them.

smaller, open your bible and commentary to Revelation 12. The scripture Luke 10:18 picks up there. Look at Revelation 12:10 and study each phrase.

 

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smaller, open your bible and commentary to Revelation 12. The scripture Luke 10:18 picks up there. Look at Revelation 12:10 and study each phrase.

Our understandings of Revelation obviously might vary, dramatically. The most obvious thing about Revelation is that it is filled from one end to the other with allegory, similitude and events that are not necessarily seen with flesh eyes or understood solely as physical literal viewable events. I generally detest the literal/physical attempts at Revelation. It doesn't compute and won't ever compute.

I consider that the Kingdom of God is "within us" regardless. Not somewhere out in outer space or on the planet Kolub.

 

[Free]

Free, open your bible and commentary to Revelation 12. The scripture Luke 10:18 picks up there. Look at Revelation 12:10 and study each phrase.

The commentaries don't agree on who the woman is, who or what the twelve stars are, who the son is, who or what the dragon is, and what the dragon being thrown from heaven actually means. Those that believe the dragon being thrown from heaven is a reference to Satan being thrown out of heaven, don't agree whether that was a first and only throwing out or a last one. The only near agreement is that it refers to an event that has happened already. So if we want to say that Luke 10:18 and Rev. 12:10 reference the same event, it is likely that the event has happened.

 

[reba]

Luk 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
Jesus spoke these words. Has there been a time when Jesus was not? He could have seen that fall any time..

 

[iLOVE]

Luk 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
Jesus spoke these words. Has there been a time when Jesus was not? He could have seen that fall any time..

Please explain.

 

[iLOVE]

The commentaries don't agree on who the woman is, who or what the twelve stars are, who the son is, who or what the dragon is, and what the dragon being thrown from heaven actually means. Those that believe the dragon being thrown from heaven is a reference to Satan being thrown out of heaven, don't agree whether that was a first and only throwing out or a last one. The only near agreement is that it refers to an event that has happened already. So if we want to say that Luke 10:18 and Rev. 12:10 reference the same event, it is likely that the event has happened.

So you Believe not in the Great Tribulation.

 

[iLOVE]

Our understandings of Revelation obviously might vary, dramatically. The most obvious thing about Revelation is that it is filled from one end to the other with allegory, similitude and events that are not necessarily seen with flesh eyes or understood solely as physical literal viewable events. I generally detest the literal/physical attempts at Revelation. It doesn't compute and won't ever compute.

I consider that the Kingdom of God is "within us" regardless. Not somewhere out in outer space or on the planet Kolub.

When faith is maintained exclusively in Christ and His Finished Work, i.e, The Cross of Christ, i.e., The Blood of Jesus, the Holy Spirit will help us, reveal and show us great and mighty things we knew not. Why? Because it is no longer us who live, but Christ who lives in us.

 

[reba]

Please explain.

Jesus was not created He always was/is right? so He woud have seen satans fall any time from the beginning..

 

[reba]

When faith is maintained exclusively in Christ and His Finished Work, i.e, The Cross of Christ, i.e., The Blood of Jesus, the Holy Spirit will help us, reveal and show us great and mighty things we knew not. Why? Because it is no longer us who live, but Christ who lives in us.

IS there nothing to Christ after the Cross?

 

[iLOVE]

IS there nothing to Christ after the Cross?

I do not understand your question.