The Council of Trent and its support of paganism.
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Rejecting His church is rejecting Him and Him who sent Him as He set up the church!
Bible Gateway passage: John 13:20 - King James Version
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.
Bible Gateway passage: Luke 9:48 - King James Version
And said unto them, Whosoever shall receive this child in my name receiveth me: and whosoever shall receive me receiveth him that sent me: for he that is least among you all, the same shall be great.
Well Robert.In the US its seemingly obvious neither was Biden, but if God has a timeline and Trump was not going to meet that timeline then is Biden not dully elected?
That's a secular example, the Pope is in and of the church and so ordained fits perfect
Bible Gateway passage: Romans 13:1 - King James Version
Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.www.biblegateway.com
yet you say
It right there in scripture, the powers that be, in this case a Jesuit Pope, are ordained by God, do you not believe scripture?
What are they?
Were they changed in the appropriate manner?
Says you, but you like to hypothesis, lets then hypothesis that his example becomes the new norm and future pontiffs also shun any form of luxurious living, would money then not be perhaps redeemed?
All I hear is how the Jewish leaders must have discussed Christ, He was hated for His doctrine, has it been also for the worse?
Shall we stone him?
Bible Gateway passage: John 8:7 - King James Version
So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.www.biblegateway.com
or
"I ask forgiveness from those who have been offended by this gesture."
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forgive him?
Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 18:21 - King James Version
Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?
The Bible is not the church, it is in part witness of the church.
The church has a leader, the leader is appointed in and by succession.
The very history of the church is that its leader died for His church,
did He do that for your approval or for your sins?
Do you think the church then exists for your approval or your sins?
What is fulfillment of the law?
Bible Gateway passage: Romans 13:10 - King James Version
Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
So you deem the Pope evil and his actions as strikes on your face?
Do you then protest?
Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 5:39 - King James Version
But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
I'm not saying the Pope is evil, and I do not protest the church any longer, after I read my 1611 I wondered why I ever did, I was indoctrinated to do so, but not that I understand when or how exactly,
Lets say the Pope is evil and you do not turn the other cheek and you instead protest,
What do you say of this woman's faith,
Is it more or less biblical than yours?
You wanted to know why and I explained why.
The rest of your post sounds like you want to have a few rounds.
I'm not up for it.
Believe what makes you happy.
Just remember that church doctrine cannot be changed.
Just remember that most bishops have refused to follow his new ideas.
Bible Gateway passage: 2 Timothy 4:2 - King James Version
Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.
Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 16:19 - King James Version
And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
That's actually exciting!
It may mean a falling away is before us
Bible Gateway passage: 2 Thessalonians 2:3 - King James Version
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
He's the one falling away.Bible Gateway passage: 2 Timothy 4:2 - King James Version
Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.
Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 16:19 - King James Version
And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.www.biblegateway.com
That's actually exciting!
It may mean a falling away is before us
Bible Gateway passage: 2 Thessalonians 2:3 - King James Version
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
Hmmm, isn't that presumptuous?
Bible Gateway passage: 2 Peter 2:10 - King James Version
But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.
Judging the very law of God?
Bible Gateway passage: James 4:11 - King James Version
Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.
And if said falsely?
Bible Gateway passage: 1 Peter 3:16 - King James Version
Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.
Hmmmm.Hmmm, isn't that presumptuous?
Bible Gateway passage: 2 Peter 2:10 - King James Version
But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.
Judging the very law of God?
Bible Gateway passage: James 4:11 - King James Version
Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.
And if said falsely?
Bible Gateway passage: 1 Peter 3:16 - King James Version
Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.
Maybe you could find out what's going on?
Who's judging the law of God?
The Pope is not God.
Where's that claim made that I need to defend?
Catechism of the Catholic Church - IntraText
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Didn't you post 1 Peter 3:16?Where's that claim made that I need to defend?
Catechism of the Catholic Church - IntraText
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Another insult again.
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Hello, my friend.
I'm well, thank you. Hope you are, too.
Many thanks for your very kind words. I'm back......be careful what you wish for!
.Blessings.
Hey.....it's you.....Fran! Changing your user name could easily confuse a stupid person......me!
. Blessings.
Hi Fran.
In post 19 you write:
'This Pope has changed at least 3 (doctrines) that come to mind immediately'
Which ones?
Blessings.
Yes, but if the church has gone into apostasy that makes them antichrist and the Reformers saw it...
Church cannot do so or be reformed!
Matt 16:18-19 shall not prevail!
Jn 8:32 Jn 16:13 apostolic church has the truth!
Jn 14:6 Jesus Christ IS our salvation and the truth and the apostolic church does not require scripture to know the truth, he taught them in person
Remarried couples can now receive communion.
This could only be done in the past if a marriage was annuled and there are just a few reasons why a marriage can be annuled. Otherwise it lasts forever. It would be like 2 persons living together and still being able to receive communion.
This happened back in 2015 If I remember, and I could see more coming.
He changed the doctrine of the death penalty. The church has always been in favor of it. I don't know enough about this to discuss it. He has declared a change in doctrine and the church now condemns it.
He has OKd blessing to gay couples. A couple means 2 persons. They're trying to explain it away but Bishops around the world (and all those in Africa) have declared that they will no longer follow his teachings or honor the changes he makes.
(it's impossible to bless a sin).
Hi Fran.
Many thanks for your reply. Am working on a response. Insha'Allah, I'll come back to you soon!
May the Beloved grant you His love; the love of those who love Him; and a love of deeds that will drawer you closer to Him.
.Working to defend with what you provided is:
#1 Annulment was streamlined
Apostolic Letter Motu Proprio Mitis Iudex Dominus Iesus by which the canons of the Code of Canon Law pertaining to cases regarding the nullity of marriage are reformed (15 August 2015) | Francis
Apostolic Letter Motu Proprio <i>Mitis Iudex Dominus Iesus</i> by which the canons of the Code of Canon Law pertaining to cases regarding the nullity of marriage are reformed, 15 August 2015
#2 Death penalty text was made more clear
New revision of number 2267 of the Catechism of the Catholic Church on the death penalty – Rescriptum “ex Audientia SS.mi” (1st August 2018)
New revision of number 2267 of the Catechism of the Catholic Church on the death penalty – Rescriptum “ex Audientia SS.mi”, 1st August 2018
www.vatican.va
#3 Gays
Declaration Fiducia Supplicans On the Pastoral Meaning of Blessings (18 December 2023)
Declaration Fiducia Supplicans On the Pastoral Meaning of Blessings (18 December 2023)
www.vatican.va
So we have the 1st schism with the East 1054
Then a 2nd with the reformation 1500+
And you propose now a 3rd beginning?
Timing seems legit.
Lets look at this like that, in three's, omne trium perfectum
The apostles notice of gentiles being clean
Bible Gateway passage: Acts 11:10 - King James Version
And this was done three times: and all were drawn up again into heaven.
The denial of Jesus by Simon
Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 26:34 - King James Version
Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, That this night, before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice.
And his as I perceive, act of contrition and penance to feed the lambs/sheep
Bible Gateway passage: John 21:17 - King James Version
He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep.
Perhaps a 3rd schism means the falling away is done?
Bible Gateway passage: 2 Thessalonians 2:3 - King James Version
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
But we are short one element you seem to refer belongs to the Pope
Bible Gateway passage: 2 Thessalonians 2:4 - King James Version
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
The Pope does not do that.
He comes instead a power ordained by God, do you resist that?
Bible Gateway passage: Romans 13:2 - King James Version
Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
So you see the order of three no?
And order throughout scripture
Bible Gateway passage: Joshua 6:15 - King James Version
And it came to pass on the seventh day, that they rose early about the dawning of the day, and compassed the city after the same manner seven times: only on that day they compassed the city seven times.
Yet you deny order in the Church?
Despite the warnings?
The Pope, Simon Peter being the first, 2k years ago received an important job, as a porter, with the power to make new rules or change existing ones.
Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 16:19 - King James Version
And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Bible Gateway passage: Mark 13:34 - King James Version
For the Son of Man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.
Bible Gateway passage: John 10:3 - King James Version
To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.
What will you do if you find this true?
Will you repent?
Or like Pharaoh remain hard hearted throughout the coming plaques?
I pray the former.