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The Death Penalty

In the bible punishment was swift. There were no

(a) Jails
(b) Prison wardens
(c) No psychiatrists determining their mental state

When you really look at it. It makes sense to punish people swiftly like in bible times. Look at the amount of money that would be saved by allowing someone to be in prison for life. This topic will have many who will be for and against...and I do not make any apology for saying I believe in the death penalty.
 
Lewis W said:
A murderer can go to heaven' but there are still consequences for what you do in the body. Yes God will for give you if you ask and you have turned your life over to Him. But you can still be sent to the chair for your past crime of murder.
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Yes.I believe in Once Saved Always Saved (OSAS).Their could possibly be many in heaven with no rewards.They just get their by the seat of their pants.Like a man escaping a firey building with just his shirt.
 
abide said:
In the bible punishment was swift. There were no

(a) Jails
(b) Prison wardens
(c) No psychiatrists determining their mental state

When you really look at it. It makes sense to punish people swiftly like in bible times. Look at the amount of money that would be saved by allowing someone to be in prison for life. This topic will have many who will be for and against...and I do not make any apology for saying I believe in the death penalty.
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I just believe in how Jesus wants us to deal with the issue.What is said in the Bible.
 
Kathi said:
I just believe in how Jesus wants us to deal with the issue.What is said in the Bible.
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How would Jesus think? He told the woman taken in adultery to go and sin no more. Interestingly I have never seen anywhere in the new testament where a murderer came to Christ for forgiveness...the thief on the Cross did, but NOT THE MURDERER.

Revelation 21:8 Murderers will not enter the kingdom....
 
abide said:
How would Jesus think? He told the woman taken in adultery to go and sin no more. Interestingly I have never seen anywhere in the new testament where a murderer came to Christ for forgiveness...the thief on the Cross did, but NOT THE MURDERER.

Revelation 21:8 Murderers will not enter the kingdom....
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Maybe you need to review post #10.
 
abide said:
In the bible punishment was swift. There were no

(a) Jails
(b) Prison wardens
(c) No psychiatrists determining their mental state

When you really look at it. It makes sense to punish people swiftly like in bible times. Look at the amount of money that would be saved by allowing someone to be in prison for life. This topic will have many who will be for and against...and I do not make any apology for saying I believe in the death penalty.
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King James Bible Ecclesiastes 8:11
Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil.
 
abide said:
How would Jesus think? He told the woman taken in adultery to go and sin no more. Interestingly I have never seen anywhere in the new testament where a murderer came to Christ for forgiveness...the thief on the Cross did, but NOT THE MURDERER.

Revelation 21:8 Murderers will not enter the kingdom....
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King David will.....he repented.
 
Interestingly I have never seen anywhere in the new testament where a murderer came to Christ for forgiveness
 
Dispensationally, someone who kills unlawfully can be converted to Christ and thus assured of a place in heaven. As a separate process, he still has to account for his actions before the law of the land and in some places this may involve the death penalty. The fact that someone in jail is converted, and the fact that he stands trial, are two separate processes. Whether or not he becomes a member of the church, his relationship to the law of the nation does not go away.
 
Another thought I have is that working for the justice system can be an honorable profession.

Holding Bible studies in jail for inmates is very good, also.

There is a sense in which in some circumstances the interests of the church - in its extended sense - and of the nation may conflict.

The prosecutor may be convinced of the rightness of saying: "I wish to see Mr X. hang, because he deserves it, under the law."

A visiting preacher in the jail may be convinced of the rightness of saying: "I want to see Mr. X. converted."

In some circumstances, it is hard for the prosecutor and the visiting preacher to be the same person. I guess that, dispensationally, it is sometimes inevitable that such a conflict of interest may arise.

Blessings.
 
farouk said:
Another thought I have is that working for the justice system can be an honorable profession.

Holding Bible studies in jail for inmates is very good, also.

There is a sense in which in some circumstances the interests of the church - in its extended sense - and of the nation may conflict.

The prosecutor may be convinced of the rightness of saying: "I wish to see Mr X. hang, because he deserves it, under the law."

A visiting preacher in the jail may be convinced of the rightness of saying: "I want to see Mr. X. converted."

In some circumstances, it is hard for the prosecutor and the visiting preacher to be the same person. I guess that, dispensationally, it is sometimes inevitable that such a conflict of interest may arise.

Blessings.
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I believe it would be a conflict of interest.
 
When I was in Europe, I knew Christian folk who, during one of the World War occupations, met some Christians among the regular troops of the German occupation (not among the Nazis in charge). Discreetly they enjoyed fellowship and Bible studies together for a while.

After the war, unbelieving fellow citizens, who knew that German troops, as they simply regarded them, had met with the Christians, gave those Christians a hard time, because they somehow thought they had been unpatriotic.

Sometimes the believer's heavenly citizenship, which brings us to love our brethren in Christ, can have a conflict of interest from an earthly citizenship, which in some circumstances may carry the expectation that we should kill or injure the enemy. Sometimes this can be very confusing. But the fact that these different spheres exist is very clear, nonetheless.

Blessings.
 
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