The Deity of Christ: His Person

[D46]

Little Angel
I love reading your post. You always make allot of sense.

She makes a lot more sense than you have, that's for sure.

Oneness Pentecostal theology affirms that there exists only one God in all the universe.

Have a problem with that? How many do you believe in? Out of all that's been discussed and explained you still haven't grasped anything yet.

The Trinity does not assert that there are three gods, but only one.

No-not so. By the very nature of the definition of a trinity it means three separate persons. Ther's no getting around this, J. Monotheism is the belief in ONE God.

Oneness theology denies the Trinity and teaches that God is a single person who was "manifested as Father in creation and as the Father of the Son, in the Son for our redemption, and as the Holy Spirit in our regeneration."

Oneness theology teaches that Jesus was the Father in creation, the Son in Redemption, and the Holy Ghost given to the church. It does not teach a plurality of gods as trinitarianism does. You're grasping for straws. Go back and read my posts again. I know it's deep but, I'm a deep kind of guy!!

I strongly suspect you know very little of Oneness theology outside of what you've gleened from the Internet. I grew up under this type of Church and know much more about the Apostolic faith than you ever will. Unfortunately there has been different "offshoots" of the Pentacostal/Oneness/Apostolic branches over the decades and now we have Trinitarian Pentacostals, Monotheistic Pentacostals, and others that do stupid thinks like drink poison and handle snakes...or blow on someone and say you have the anointing. :roll: Does that sound familar? I thought it might. I don't affiliate myself with a run of the mill type of Pentacostal due to the above. I'm more Apostolic in my beliefs system in that, I believe what the Apostles taught. And, who taught the Apostles but Jesus.

Just for the record, the ALJC (Assemblies of the Lord Jesus Christ), the UPC Church, "some" Pentacostal Churches and Apostolic Churches all teach basically the same thing. They all believe in repentance, water baptism in the name of Jesus, and the gift of the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in other tongues. That is the basic belief when it comes to salvation. As I said, I shy away from the term "Pentacostal" due to people like snake handlers and those heretics on TBN claiming that title.

Having looked at that website you provided leads me to the belief that all who think they know all about Pentacostal/Oneness people are very mistaken. I don't believe in women pastors or the woman usurping authority over the man...that's scripture. I believe in baptism in the name of Jesus...that's scripture as well. Read the Book of Acts and what I posted about my offer of $100 on this.

Do you not believe that the bible is the inerrant word of God? Do you not believe Jesus was born of a virgin? Do you not believe in water baptism by full emersion? Do you believe in the rapture of the church? That's some of the things your link claims is cultic activity within the Pentacostal church. I think anything less than these beliefs is heresy.

 

[scorpia]

Simply put, I believe Jesus is God...no more or less.

Wouldn't it be much better if you call on and come to Jesus and talk to Jesus so that Jesus can talk to you, too, thereby seeing, hearing, and proving to yourself that Jesus is really God, alive and real, no more no less as you said. In this way, Jesus himself is the One who proves to you what you really wanted to know about Him, Jesus, being God, not me, not mutz, not spirit driven, not oscar3, not solo and so on, how about that bro.?

 

[Oscar3]

I spelled it out in a manner as simple as I can. Pray about it J, I think you'll get the revelation.

D46
With all due respect, I don't understand what you believe. :-?

 

[scorpia]

Does this not tell you who I have said, Jesus is?

]Alright golfjack - what do you say to one such as I who says Jesus is the son of God - but not God. Am I lost in sin without hope?

Jesus being the son of God but not God, what does that specifically mean to you mutz? If Jesus is not God, what is He then so much so that you also tell us that Jesus is not a man? Actually I am just repeating a question whose origin is from someone in this forum hence I likened this to a hen and egg issue for your reluctance to give us an answer. You are not coming clear in your statement above, do you copy?

Lets start with this. In a nutshell, this is what I believe:
Jesus is the one and only true Son of God, conceived of God’s Spirit, born of a virgin, inheriting the righteousness of God with all the attributes of perfection, attributed to the Father, and without sin or blemish. To Jesus alone has the title been credited: ‘The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world.’

You're not clear whatever you say mutz, what obviously you're doing here is that you're just saying something that you have read but failed to grasp the full meaning of same and for you to play safe of adding and subtracting as the bible rule of thumb, you do not want to go beyond it. You do say that God speaks to you, too, but why can't you ask from God who Jesus really is in His being the only begotten Son of God, what is Jesus' status if He is not God and not man, what is Jesus then? I'm sure God can answer those questions anytime, anywhere, anyhow. There are only God, angels (angelic and fallen), elves and dwarfs, mankind like mutz, solo, etc., animals, and plants. Can you add some more and to which among these does Jesus fit? I hope you can give us a clear answer this time. Talk to God clearly and I'm sure God will give you the answer.

 

[scorpia]

Oneness theology teaches that Jesus was the Father in creation, the Son in Redemption, and the Holy Ghost given to the church.

Not that I do say Oneness is the right theology for God is the only One right, true, and who is the WHOLE TRUTHT but this statement above indeed is the reality of who the Almighty Lord God is which many do not want to believe. See how the Lord God explain this one further. The Lord God Jesus Christ said:

4. BAKIT SINASABING TATLO ANG DIYOS?
4. WHY DOES IT SAY THAT THE GOD IS THREE?
***IISA LANG ANG DIYOS, NGUNIT GAYA NG MGA TAO, KUNG ANG
***GOD IS ONLY ONE, BUT SAME WITH THE PEOPLE, IF
ISANG TAO AY MAY PANGALANG JOSE, SIYA RIN AY MAY PALAYAW
ONE MAN HAS A NAME OF JOSEPH, HE MAY ALSO HAS A NICKNAME
MAAARING JUSENG, USE O KUNG ANU ANO PA. GAYON LAMANG DIN ANG
MAYBE JOSHUENG, USHE OR WHATEVER IT IS SAME IS ALSO WITH THE
DIYOS. ANG AMA, ANAK AT ESPIRITU SANTO AY IISA LAMANG, ANG
GOD, THE FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT IS ONLY ONE, THE
DIYOS NA MAKAPANGYARIHAN SA LAHAT. TINAWAG NIYANG ANAK
ALMIGHTY GOD HE CALLED SON
ANG NAGKATAWANG TAO SA LUPA UPANG TUBUSIN ANG MGA
THE ONE WHO TOOK THE FORM OF THE FLESH IN EARTH TO REDEEM THE
KASALANAN NG TAO, TINAWAG NAMAN NIYANG ESPIRITU SANTO ANG
SINS OF THE PEOPLE, HE THEN CALLED HOLY SPIRIT THE
GABAY SA MGA TAO. SAPAGKAT SA TAONG MABABAW ANG KAISIPAN,
GUIDE TO THE PEOPLE BECAUSE TO THE PEOPLE WITH A SHALLOW MIND
HINDI SIYA MANINIWALANG ANG DIYOS AY NASA LAHAT NG PANIG NG
HE WILL NEVER BELIEVE THAT THE GOD IS IN ALL THE PARTS OF
SANSINUKOB, KAYA’T BINIGYAN NIYA NG PANGALAN ANG ANAK AT
WHOLE WORLD, HENCE HE GAVE NAMES TO THE SON AND
ESPIRITU SANTO NGUNIT INISIP NAMAN NG IBA NA TATLO ANG DIYOS.
THE HOLY SPIRIT BUT OTHER THINK THAT THE GOD ARE THREE.

 

[Oscar3]

D46
Oh. I should have read the entire thread before I asked you. No wonder you did not want to say what you were. You were ashamed. I don't blame you. If I were a oneness penticostal I would hide it also. This is actually :-D You belong to a cult. And here you had many people fooled and wow :roll: I am still in shock :o .. Goodness and the anger that is in your post. :-? Well I am no expert, but your beliefs are in all the cult watch sites..

http://www.spiritualabuse.org/

http://www.watchman.org/profile/onenesspro.htm

http://www.carm.org/oneness.htm

http://www.letusreason.org/Onendir.htm

http://www.apologeticsindex.org/j11.html Its comman knowledge that TD jakes is a oneness cult one week and a trinitaraian the following week. It depends on who is interviewing him

http://www.namb.net/atf/cf/%7BCDA250E8- ... OSTALS.pdf


http://www.biblefacts.org/cult/oneness.html

There are many, many more.

 

[jgredline]

Oneness theology teaches that Jesus was the Father in creation, the Son in Redemption, and the Holy Ghost given to the church. It does not teach a plurality of gods as trinitarianism does. You're grasping for straws. Go back and read my posts again. I know it's deep but, I'm a deep kind of guy!!

I strongly suspect you know very little of Oneness theology outside of what you've gleened from the Internet. I grew up under this type of Church and know much more about the Apostolic faith than you ever will. Unfortunately there has been different "offshoots" of the Pentacostal/Oneness/Apostolic branches over the decades and now we have Trinitarian Pentacostals, Monotheistic Pentacostals, and others that do stupid thinks like drink poison and handle snakes...or blow on someone and say you have the anointing. :roll: Does that sound familar? I thought it might. I don't affiliate myself with a run of the mill type of Pentacostal due to the above. I'm more Apostolic in my beliefs system in that, I believe what the Apostles taught. And, who taught the Apostles but Jesus.

Just for the record, the ALJC (Assemblies of the Lord Jesus Christ), the UPC Church, "some" Pentacostal Churches and Apostolic Churches all teach basically the same thing. They all believe in repentance, water baptism in the name of Jesus, and the gift of the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in other tongues. That is the basic belief when it comes to salvation. As I said, I shy away from the term "Pentacostal" due to people like snake handlers and those heretics on TBN claiming that title.

Having looked at that website you provided leads me to the belief that all who think they know all about Pentacostal/Oneness people are very mistaken. I don't believe in women pastors or the woman usurping authority over the man...that's scripture. I believe in baptism in the name of Jesus...that's scripture as well. Read the Book of Acts and what I posted about my offer of $100 on this.

Do you not believe that the bible is the inerrant word of God? Do you not believe Jesus was born of a virgin? Do you not believe in water baptism by full emersion? Do you believe in the rapture of the church? That's some of the things your link claims is cultic activity within the Pentacostal church. I think anything less than these beliefs is heresy.

Well, well, well
What have we here. I am afraid Oscar did not leave me much to say.
I knew there was something fishy here. You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time.

Folks
Not all penticostals are cults. Infact Jesus only / oneness penticostals are the only cults and really they should remove penticostal from there name as they give penticostals a bad name. I know many penticostals who are doctrinally sound and I say this even though I am not a penticostal.
Whats right is right and whats a cult is a cult, I mean whats wrong is wrong.

 

[golfjack]

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I am not a United Pentecostal or Holiness Pentecostal. I believe that there is a Triinity, and Water Baptism does not save anyone. What I said stands because this is what the Bible teaches period. God said it, I believe it, and that just settles it.




May God bless, golfjack

 

[jgredline]

Jack
Its obvious to anyone who reads your posts that your theology is spot on. My post was in no way directed at you.

 

[Imagican]

The problem lies in the fact that we insist that God must do things that we are able to understand and comprehend.

I agree. And 'trinity' does NOTHING but offer exactly what you condemn. Men, using thier words and ideas to describe a relationship that quite possibly is BEYOND OUR UNDERSTANDING.

When I was a child I asked the Lord about the trinity. He told me that God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit are all God.
My response was "I don't get it but if you say so, then it is true. So God, if I don't get it but I believe it anyway just cause you said so, then how am I supposes to tell other people that it is true?"

Did He also tell you that WE TOO are 'part of God' as well? And if so, what is the 'forth' state of H2O?

(Hey, I wanted to join in with the confusing statements!)

The Lord told me that it is true just in the same way that water, ice and steam are the same thing only different. Any one of those three things can take the form of the other two. Each of the three things has different characteristics and functions different from the other two.

Gabby, So, you are actually telling me that God revealed Himself 'TO YOU' as water, ice and steam? Funny, He must have done this to MANY. For I have heard this analogy very often in reference to 'trinity'. So, did God reveal this to you 'personally', or simply 'send some 'man' to teach it to you'? I find this amusing, to say the least. For God has NEVER revealed Himself to me to be ANYTHING other than what He IS. That He would reveal Himself as an egg, or water, or anything other than what He IS, is quite suspect from my understanding.

Tell me this. If you believe (as I do) that the Holy Spirit is God. How is it that the Holy Spirit can be in my heart and yours at the same time??

I can't say that the 'same' spirit possesses both you and I. But I CAN say that there are many spirits that exist. And that these offer the same 'feelings' that they are 'truth'. And that God himself will offer STRONG DELUSION to those that choose to follow that which is NOT truth for those that insist upon un-truth. What I would offer in reply to you question is this; Satan has a 'spirit' that he is able to offer those that choose to follow him. And I personally believe that for MANY, he has offered 'this spirit' as a 'substitute' that CLOSELY resembles The Spirit. For those that choose to follow 'this spirit', they are offer MUCH of the 'same sensation' as IF they were following 'THE SPIRIT'. Just a bit of 'personal insight' here. Many believe that what I state is 'mine own' understanding and I say 'so be it'.

Some things you need to ask God if it be so, then take it by faith that it is.

The 'tricky' part here is that one be SURE that the questions that they seek answers to are 'truly' directed at THE GOD and not just 'a god'. For Satan wanted NOTHING other than to be worshiped AS GOD. And in this respect, those that follow him ARE following a god. And I would imagine that he would try MUCH harder to convince man that HE IS GOD, than a God that IS GOD would. The TRUE God has NOTHING to 'prove', but Satan would attempt at all cost to PROVE that he is a god. Make ANY sense?

My God is an awesome God!

And if you were to ask a Satanist, you would receive this same sentiment. Don't you think? That is why it is SO important that we follow Christ TO His Father rather than rely on 'other men' to 'lead' us. For there is NOT ONE THAT is righteous, NO NOT ONE. But we DO know that God IS righteous. What one MUST be aware of in order to defend themselves is WHO the enemy is. And he must be able to be recognized in ANY of his MANY disguises.

 

[Solo]

 

[Imagican]

j,

beware of 'what' you defend. If you KNOW NOT what it 'truly stands for', a simple offering of a 'statement of faith' CAN be VERY deceiving.

I offer that there is ONLY ONE TRUTH. And ANYTHING OTHER THAN THIS ONE TRUTH IS A LIE. No matter how subtle it be, or how close it is to the truth, a lie IS A LIE no matter how much one 'wishes' it to be THE TRUTH.

As we see in our illustration played out in 'the garden', Satan didn't offer Eve an OBVIOUS 'complete' lie. He was VERY subtle in his influence, for he offered an almost COMPLETE truth. It was more 'what he LEFT OUT' that turned his 'truth' into a LIE.

So, with this in mind, let us attempt, at least, to understand that one can follow ninety nine percent 'truth' and STILL be following a LIE. For there is NO 'grey area' when it comes to the TRUTH. Everything IS 'black or white'. My proof in this offering; Is there ANY such thing as a 'white lie' in reality? Can one LIE for a 'good purpose'? Once one is able to answer such a question WITHOUT a doubt, at this point one IS able to recognize that all that 'appears' to be The Truth is NOT ALWAYS as it seems.

We have the 'proof' of what I offer in that there are SO MANY denominations of Christianity that ALL 'believe' that THEY are the ones intrusted with the 'truth'. Yet it is obvious, when one comes to a 'true' understanding, that THIS IS NOT POSSIBLE. There is ONLY ONE TRUTH. But there are MANY that will offer 'their truth' and insist that because they 'believe it' it MUST be. Ha ha ha. You know, there ARE still people out looking for Bigfoot even after the perpetrator of this hoax had his family admit that it was a 'joke'. See what 'belief' can do to those that are UNWILLING to accept the 'TRUTH'?

MEC

 

[D46]

D46
Oh. I should have read the entire thread before I asked you. No wonder you did not want to say what you were. You were ashamed. I don't blame you. If I were a Oneness Penticostal I would hide it also. This is actually You belong to a cult. And here you had many people fooled and wow I am still in shock .. Goodness and the anger that is in your post. Well I am no expert, but your beliefs are in all the cult watch sites..

Sorry, oscar-you still have it wrong. I didn't say I was a Oneness/Pentacostal. I said I grew up in that kind of church. As I mentioned, too many have strayed in their beliefs for me to be affilliated with it and I haven't for some time. I believe, as I said once more, what the Apostles taught-no more or less. Oneness folks may believe or say they believe that too, but; just as Orthodox people are a spring off of the Catholic faith, so are some of these from the real truth. So, don't speculate you know all about me. I am ashamed of nothing I believe in, which is in the Lord Jesus Christ. So, don't label me with a cult nor think I was "fooling" anyone. Some can grasp A plus B equals C and others want to make someting else out of it, such as you.Don't think you received a revelation about me as you will be decieved by what you've surmised. Over and over I've explained what I believe and need go no further.

 

[jgredline]

j,

beware of 'what' you defend. If you KNOW NOT what it 'truly stands for', a simple offering of a 'statement of faith' CAN be VERY deceiving.

I offer that there is ONLY ONE TRUTH. And ANYTHING OTHER THAN THIS ONE TRUTH IS A LIE. No matter how subtle it be, or how close it is to the truth, a lie IS A LIE no matter how much one 'wishes' it to be THE TRUTH.

As we see in our illustration played out in 'the garden', Satan didn't offer Eve an OBVIOUS 'complete' lie. He was VERY subtle in his influence, for he offered an almost COMPLETE truth. It was more 'what he LEFT OUT' that turned his 'truth' into a LIE.

So, with this in mind, let us attempt, at least, to understand that one can follow ninety nine percent 'truth' and STILL be following a LIE. For there is NO 'grey area' when it comes to the TRUTH. Everything IS 'black or white'. My proof in this offering; Is there ANY such thing as a 'white lie' in reality? Can one LIE for a 'good purpose'? Once one is able to answer such a question WITHOUT a doubt, at this point one IS able to recognize that all that 'appears' to be The Truth is NOT ALWAYS as it seems.

We have the 'proof' of what I offer in that there are SO MANY denominations of Christianity that ALL 'believe' that THEY are the ones intrusted with the 'truth'. Yet it is obvious, when one comes to a 'true' understanding, that THIS IS NOT POSSIBLE. There is ONLY ONE TRUTH. But there are MANY that will offer 'their truth' and insist that because they 'believe it' it MUST be. Ha ha ha. You know, there ARE still people out looking for Bigfoot even after the perpetrator of this hoax had his family admit that it was a 'joke'. See what 'belief' can do to those that are UNWILLING to accept the 'TRUTH'?

MEC

:-D Mec
I sense anger in your post. And really their should be, because up until now you have not disproved 2000 years of Orthodox Christianity..
I along with others have offered you countless truths about the deity Of Jesus Christ.
You have offered that Jesus is the Son Of God, which I believe.
You ignore the countless passages that say Jesus is God. Why is that so?

1 cor 2:9-16
9 But as it is written:
"Eye has not seen, nor ear heard,
Nor have entered into the heart of man
The things which God has prepared for those who love Him."
10 But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God. 11 For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God.
13 These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one. 16 For "who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct Him?" But we have the mind of Christ.


MEC
This is all for you my friend.
The process of revelation, inspiration, and illumination are described in verses 9–16. They tell us how these wonderful truths were made known to the apostles by the Holy Spirit, how they in turn passed on these truths to us by inspiration of the Holy Spirit, and how we understand them by the illumination of the Holy Spirit.
The quotation in verse 9 from Isaiah 64:4 is a prophecy that God had treasured up wonderful truths which could not be discovered by the natural senses but which in due time He would reveal to those who love Him. Three faculties (eye and ear and heart, or mind) by which we learn earthly things, are listed, but these are not sufficient for the reception of divine truths, for there the Spirit of God is necessary. With me so far?

This verse is commonly interpreted to refer to the glories of heaven, and once we get that meaning in our minds, it is difficult to dislodge it and accept any other meaning. But Paul is really speaking here about the truths that have been revealed for the first time in the NT. Men could never have arrived at these truths through scientific investigations or philosophical inquiries. The human mind, left to itself, could never discover the wonderful mysteries which were made known at the beginning of the gospel era. Human reason is totally inadequate to find the truth of God.

That verse 9 does not refer to heaven is proven by the statement that God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. In other words, these truths foretold in the OT were made known to the apostles of the NT era. The us refers to the writers of the NT. It was by the Spirit of God that the apostles and prophets were enlightened, because the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God. In other words, the Spirit of God, one of the members of the Godhead, is infinite in wisdom and understands all the truths of God and is able to impart them to others.

Even in human affairs no one knows what a man is thinking but he himself. No one else can possibly find out unless the man himself chooses to make it known. Even then, in order to understand a man, a person must have the spirit of a man. An animal could not fully understand our thinking. So it is with God. The only one who can understand the things of God is the Spirit of God. Mec; Can you see your problem yet??

The we of verse 12 refers to the writers of the NT, although it is equally true of all the Bible writers. Since the apostles and prophets had received the Holy Spirit, He was able to share with them the deep truths of God. That is what the apostle means when he says in this verse: “Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God.†Apart from the Spirit who is from God, the apostles could never have received the divine truths of which Paul is speaking and which are preserved for us in the NT.

Having described the process of revelation by which the writers of Sacred Scripture received truth from God, Paul now goes on to describe the process of inspiration, by which that truth was communicated to us. Verse 13 is one of the strongest passages in the word of God on the subject of verbal inspiration. The Apostle Paul clearly states that in conveying these truths to us, the apostles did not use words of their own choosing or words dictated by man’s wisdom. Rather, they used the very words which the Holy Spirit taught them to use. And so we believe that the actual words of Scripture, as found in the original autographs, were the very words of God (and that the Bible in its present form is entirely trustworthy).

A howl of objection arises at this point since to some people what we have said implies mechanical dictation, as if God did not allow the writers to use their own style. Yet we know that Paul’s writing style is quite different from Luke’s, for example. How, then, can we reconcile verbal inspiration with the obvious individual style of the writers? In some way which we do not understand, God gave the very words of Scripture, and yet He clothed those words with the individual style of the writers, letting their human personality be part of His perfect word.

Not only is the gospel divine in its revelation and divine in its inspiration, but now we learn that it can only be received by the power of the Spirit of God. Unaided, the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God. They are foolishness to him. He cannot possibly understand them because they can only be spiritually understood.

On the other hand, the man who is illuminated by the Spirit of God can discern these wonderful truths even though he himself cannot be rightly judged by the unconverted. Perhaps he is a carpenter, or plumber, or fisherman; yet he is an able student of the Holy Scriptures. “The Spirit-controlled Christian investigates, inquires into, and scrutinizes the Bible and comes to an appreciation and understanding of its contentsâ€Â. To the world he is an enigma. He may never have been to college or seminary, yet he can understand the deep mysteries of the word of God and perhaps even teach them to others.

The apostle now asks with Isaiah the rhetorical question: “Who has known the mind of the LORD that he may instruct Him?†To ask the question is to answer it. God cannot be known through the wisdom or power of men. He is known only as He chooses to make Himself known. However, those who have the mind of Christ are able to understand the deep truths of God.

To review then,
first there is revelation (vv. 9–12). This means that God revealed previously unknown truths to men by the Holy Spirit. These truths were made known supernaturally by the Spirit of God.
Secondly, there is inspiration (v. 13). In transmitting these truths to others, the apostles (and all other writers of the Bible) used the very words which the Holy Spirit taught them to use.
Finally, there is illumination (vv. 14–16). Not only must these truths be miraculously revealed and miraculously inspired, but they can only be understood by the supernatural power of the Holy Spirit.

So you see Mec. Once you have been born from above, you to will have an understanding of who God really is.
I have so much more to say, and will add a little more later, but for now, take your time and chew on this.

 

[golfjack]

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1 John 5:7: For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, The Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.


For you who are against the Trinity, what part of the verse above, don't you understand?


May God bless, golfjack

 

[Gabbylittleangel]

Sheesh, nice rock and bottle throwing there, brother. They know you are Christian by your love....

... 'trinity' does NOTHING but offer exactly what you condemn. Men, using thier words and ideas to describe a relationship that quite possibly is BEYOND OUR UNDERSTANDING.

Ya missed the point. "Lean not on your own understanding". Don't limit God Etc, etc.

Did He also tell you that WE TOO are 'part of God' as well? And if so, what is the 'forth' state of H2O?

uh...no. I don't understand your question, or how it is that you totally do not understand the analogy. Especially when the Lord himself compares the Kingdom of God to such things as catching fish, planting and harvesting, and other things making it easy for us to understand.

Gabby, So, you are actually telling me that God revealed Himself 'TO YOU' as water, ice and steam?

Yes, God has revealed Himself to me. The God of all creation, the maker of heaven and earth, the sun, the moon and the stars...knows my name. We are close. He gave His Son to die for me.

Revealed Himself to be water ice and steam? Get real. Get out your dictionary. Look up analogy. I am so sorry if I confused you with that. No, no, no. God is not water, ice and steam. I will repeat it. Pay attention this time. I asked Him how to explain The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, if I believed it, yet did not understand it.

IT IS LIKE WATER ICE AND STEAM. They are the same thing, only different.

Funny, He must have done this to MANY. For I have heard this analogy very often in reference to 'trinity'.

Not exclusive info. So?

So, did God reveal this to you 'personally', or simply 'send some 'man' to teach it to you'? I find this amusing, to say the least. For God has NEVER revealed Himself to me to be ANYTHING other than what He IS. That He would reveal Himself as an egg, or water, or anything other than what He IS, is quite suspect from my understanding.

Perhaps your relationship with God is your relationship with God. Mine is mine. He answers the questions that I ask Him. If you would like a deeper revelation of Him, beyond what you now have (in other words, you would like to grow in the Lord and learn more of Him) then I will pray for you.

Jer 33:3 Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and shew thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.

One of the ways to draw close to God is to humble yourself before Him. Not ridiculing someone else's relationship with Him.

Tell me this. If you believe (as I do) that the Holy Spirit is God. How is it that the Holy Spirit can be in my heart and yours at the same time??

I can't say that the 'same' spirit possesses both you and I....

I just threw that in to get a laugh out of jgredline. Sorry I rattled your cage.

Imagican, I have no idea what you are so all fired upset about, or why you launched your attack against me with the zeal that would impress any Pharisee. To ridicule, mock, or degrade someone for speaking of their relationship with God, or to ridicule the answer God gave to someone else's prayer, is immature, and is going to hurt your walk with the Lord.

I pray that the God of peace will fill your heart with love, joy, and peace that passes all understanding. God bless you in your walk with Him.

Jhn 13:35 By this shall all [men] know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

 

[Gabbylittleangel]

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I am not a United Pentecostal or Holiness Pentecostal. I believe that there is a Triinity, and Water Baptism does not save anyone. What I said stands because this is what the Bible teaches period. God said it, I believe it, and that just settles it.

May God bless, golfjack

satan is a counterfeiter. He uses things out of the Word to twist and corrupt. It almost seems as if he loves Scripture, the way he plays with it. He must love God's people too. Always on their back, or up in their face. For someone who loves dark things, he just can't seem to get close enough to the light. :-D

Pentecost is a Christian word. If it is Christian, the devil seems to want it for his own. That is why he is called a thief.

 

[jgredline]

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satan is a counterfeiter. He uses things out of the Word to twist and corrupt. It almost seems as if he loves Scripture, the way he plays with it. He must love God's people too. Always on their back, or up in their face. For someone who loves dark things, he just can't seem to get close enough to the light. :-D

Pentecost is a Christian word. If it is Christian, the devil seems to want it for his own. That is why he is called a thief.

AMEN SISTER

 

[jgredline]

I just threw that in to get a laugh out of jgredline.

Actually, I did laugh :-D

 

[Imagican]

gabby,

I must apologize. I did not intend for my questions to appear to be an attack. I am here to learn as I hope others have an intent to do as well.

I am a man that is CONSTANTLY seeking to 'understand'. If my questions seemed malicious in any way, I AM sorry and didn't mean for them to indicate that 'my cage was rattled' or that I was 'attacking' ANYONE. They were honest questions that I felt you would offer an honest answer to. That you seem to have done and I appreciate it.

You have participated in enough threads that I have posted on to KNOW better than to even 'think' that I get 'angry, bent out of shape, or insulted by what others have to offer concerning my understanding'. If not, then let me assure you that this IS the case. I am well aware that there are MANY different people with MANY different views. I AM curious as to the HOW and WHY of them.

My questions seem to have rankled you though and for that I AM sorry. They were meant to bring one to an understanding of what they represent. Nothing more, nothing less. I have simply heard the analogy of water, steam and ice so oft I was truly curious if you were of the understanding that God offered you this analogy or it was simply one that you have heard from others and incorporated it into your 'own' understanding.

Oh, and Thank You for your prayers concerning my relationship. I am ALWAYS appreciative of ANY additional prayer that is offered for my benefit.

MEC