The Deity of Christ: His Person

[Oscar3]

Sorry, oscar-you still have it wrong. I didn't say I was a Oneness/Pentacostal. I said I grew up in that kind of church. As I mentioned, too many have strayed in their beliefs for me to be affilliated with it and I haven't for some time. I believe, as I said once more, what the Apostles taught-no more or less. Oneness folks may believe or say they believe that too, but; just as Orthodox people are a spring off of the Catholic faith, so are some of these from the real truth. So, don't speculate you know all about me. I am ashamed of nothing I believe in, which is in the Lord Jesus Christ. So, don't label me with a cult nor think I was "fooling" anyone. Some can grasp A plus B equals C and others want to make someting else out of it, such as you.Don't think you received a revelation about me as you will be decieved by what you've surmised. Over and over I've explained what I believe and need go no further.

OK
So your NOT a oneness penticostal. Your a Jesus Only guy and its still the same thing , same cult, differant flavor.

http://dokimos.org/apostolic/index.html

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-aiia/ ... cults.html

http://www.christianbook.com/Christian/ ... m_no=48871

http://www.carm.org/cults/cults.htm

http://www.believersweb.org/view.cfm?id ... list=multi

 

[D46]

OK
So your NOT a oneness penticostal. Your a Jesus Only guy and its still the same thing , same cult, differant flavor.

http://dokimos.org/apostolic/index.html

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-aiia/ ... cults.html

http://www.christianbook.com/Christian/ ... m_no=48871

http://www.carm.org/cults/cults.htm

http://www.believersweb.org/view.cfm?id ... list=multi

Wrong again, oscar. You just can't seem to get anything right, can you? All you can do is haunt the internet looking for websites to aid you cause, whatever that may be. I don't belong to any cult nor do I belong to any church affiliation. Your speculations are purely out of being uneducated in religious terms and beliefs.

Was there a God before Bethlehem? Of course. Then God existed before He ever came to us as Jesus to save and redeem us. In other words, Jesus was God, but; God was not always manifested as Jesus, amen? I believe in the "fatherhood" of God and in the manifestation of God as the Holy Ghost. It is therefore, an absurd statement to say "Jesus Only".

BTW-I've seen your post before at the beginning of this thread and it appears you have a particular affinity of calling folks "a cult". I suggest you do a lot more reading and then come back and maybe you can speak a bit more intelligently about things you obviously don't comprehend as yet.

 

[Gabbylittleangel]

gabby,

I must apologize. I did not intend for my questions to appear to be an attack.....
MEC

All is forgiven. :fadein:

 

[Oscar3]

Wrong again, oscar. You just can't seem to get anything right, can you? All you can do is haunt the internet looking for websites to aid you cause, whatever that may be. I don't belong to any cult nor do I belong to any church affiliation. Your speculations are purely out of being uneducated in religious terms and beliefs.

Was there a God before Bethlehem? Of course. Then God existed before He ever came to us as Jesus to save and redeem us. In other words, Jesus was God, but; God was not always manifested as Jesus, amen? I believe in the "fatherhood" of God and in the manifestation of God as the Holy Ghost. It is therefore, an absurd statement to say "Jesus Only".

Oh
So your a modalist? Why did you not just say so?

http://www.carm.org/heresy/modalism.htm

http://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-modalism.htm this is a great site

http://www.basictheology.com/definitions/Modalism/

 

[destiny]

Oh
So your a modalist? Why did you not just say so?

http://www.carm.org/heresy/modalism.htm

http://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-modalism.htm this is a great site

http://www.basictheology.com/definitions/Modalism/

I think D's posts speak for themself, it's 'obvious' his posts speak for God. If they sopke for satan then satans kingdom would be divided against itself.
The word of God says thats not possible.
I told you guys that there are variances on how people see the God head. You shouldn't condemn those who see Jesus as deity, who don't pervert His character, and is the only way of salvation. When you do you are unknowingly persecuting God.

 

[Oscar3]

I think D's posts speak for themself, it's 'obvious' his posts speak for God. If they sopke for satan then satans kingdom would be divided against itself.
The word of God says thats not possible.
I told you guys that there are variances on how people see the God head. You shouldn't condemn those who see Jesus as deity, who don't pervert His character, and is the only way of salvation. When you do you are unknowingly persecuting God.

Destiny
With all due respect D46 is clearly preaching another Gospel. Oh he sounds smart and knows his scripture. Much more than I know. This makes him a dangerous false teacher. We are commanded to expose these demons that appear like angles of light. He is denying God his Diety. He was the one who was being ambigious about his beliefs. Only people that have something to hide do this.. If I am wrong I will happily appologize and repent of my sin.
I have been caught up by false teachers and will not sit back and let it happen to others. SORRY if this offends you, but its God I have to amswer to. Not you.

 

[destiny]

Destiny
With all due respect D46 is clearly preaching another Gospel. Oh he sounds smart and knows his scripture. Much more than I know. This makes him a dangerous false teacher. We are commanded to expose these demons that appear like angles of light. He is denying God his Diety. He was the one who was being ambigious about his beliefs. Only people that have something to hide do this.. If I am wrong I will happily appologize and repent of my sin.
I have been caught up by false teachers and will not sit back and let it happen to others. SORRY if this offends you, but its God I have to amswer to. Not you.

I don't agree with what you've said concerning D, oscar. I think the fruit is good concerning him.
But...I'll say no more and leave it with you guys.

 

[D46]

Destiny-oscar needs no further explaination nor do I offer one. He's going to believe what he will and I feel sorry for this individual who can't see two inches in front of him. Everything goes in one ear and out the other and he needs an explaination over and over again so he can gleen just a word or two to concoct an idea he's conjured up. I'm through casting peal before swine, so to speak. I suggest strongly that he be concerned about his own beliefs and the ultimate destiny of his own soul and not worry about mine. I have answered a fool according to his folly enough already.

Just a passing thought. If I had anything to hide, I sure wouldn't be here telling about it for fear of exposure. I have nothing to hide nor am I ashamed about any beliefs I have. They are right from God's word and no hypocrit can alter that! He's getting dangerously close to character assassination and that is something I won't stand for!

 

[francisdesales]

God existed before He ever came to us as Jesus to save and redeem us. In other words, Jesus was God, but; God was not always manifested as Jesus, amen? I believe in the "fatherhood" of God and in the manifestation of God as the Holy Ghost. It is therefore, an absurd statement to say "Jesus Only".

Sola Scriptura,Sola Fide, Sola Gratia, Sola Christus

Forgive me for noting this, but what does this say about your sound-bite theology?

Regards

 

[D46]

Come now, francis-don't pull this out of context like scripture. Notice there are four graces there, not just one. Maybe I shold have added Sola Pope instead. :roll:

 

[Solo]

Come now, francis-don't pull this out of context like scripture. Notice there are four graces there, not just one. Maybe I shold have added Sola Pope instead. :roll:

Is Solo Pope and Solo Poop synonymous?

 

[D46]

Is Solo Pope and Solo Poop synonymous?

Pretty close :-D

 

[D46]

As for Sola Christus, if you consider the fact that Christ is God and that there is no other Saviour, then I guess I'm "Jesus Only". He is the exclusive Saviour and there is none other...not "the Church", not the magisterium, nor any priest, Mary or any other creature. Jesus Christ is the one who died for me and none other. So, if anyone wished to think of me in that term, have at it as I'm over this.

A. He is the only Son of God--John 3:16 ("For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life").

B. He is the only name--Acts 4:12 ("Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved").

C. He is the only way--John 14:6 ("Jesus answered, 'I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.'").

D. He is the only mediator between God and man--1 Timothy 2:5 ("For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus").

E. He is the only sacrifice for sin--Hebrews 10:12 ("But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God").

Christ's competency as Redeemer and Saviour is beyond limit. His merits which he acquired for believers are infinite in value. If I have Christ, I do not need any other person, or any other thing for justification. (1 Corinthians 1:30-31).

Scripture never hints or alludes to any other object for our faith, except to Him. "I am God and besides me there is no Saviour." The gospel is good news about Christ and the successful accomplishment of his mission as Deliverer: as prophet, priest, and king. We need no other; and no other is suggested to us. Those who turn to others are branded as idolaters in Scripture.

The Scripture either assumes or else explicitly affirms that our faith is to be directed towards Christ (see, for instance, Romans 5:1; 6:23 - "through our Lord Jesus Christ."

4. The parallel drawn between Adam and Christ proves just this: that as we died in Adam (who was our representative head) we live and have the gift of righteousness in Christ (Romans 5:12-21). Our trust must therefore be in him, and no other, for it was He who rendered a perfect obedience as our Head and covenant representative, and his perfect righteousness, as imputed to us, is the sole and strictly legal ground of our justification.

 

[golfjack]

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D46 and others: How can you possibly believe not believe that the Father is God, and the Holy Spirit is God? I submit to you Ephesians Chapters 1, 2, and 3. These chapters basically say Father God has the plan, Jesus God executed the plan, and Holy Spirit reveals the plan. They work together for our salvation.



May God bless, golfjack

 

[francisdesales]

As for Sola Christus, if you consider the fact that Christ is God and that there is no other Saviour, then I guess I'm "Jesus Only".

Sorry, but Golfjack is correct. We Trinitarian Christians believe that God consists of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, not "Jesus alone" or "Christ alone". Christ alone did not save - God saved - and He is NOT alone. He is one but not alone. As Jesus said, He can do NOTHING without the Father. He does what He sees the Father doing, and nothing else - unless you believe in multiple gods. Jesus is the WAY to the FATHER. It is to the FATHER whom we offer worship, in unity with Christ and the Holy Ghost!

You were first correct when you said that "Jesus only was absurd". Now, are you calling yourself absurd the same day?

Don't believe me - I am Catholic, and of course, we are the lowest of the low here. That's OK. The lowly will be exalted. But unfortunately, there are several "Christians" showing their wonderful fruits of the "spirit" by the usual childish name-calling (Pope - poop... can we grow up now?), again proving which "spirit" leads them... If you think I am wrong for merely being Catholic - then at least listen to Golfjack.

Your tagline might sound like a nice billboard or bumper sticker, but it is theologically incorrect - and not just the "Sola Christus". But we'll save that for another day.

If you insist on sound-bite theology, how about "Sola Deus"? We can all agree on that one. (no, Mary or the Church doesn't save - God saves through them, just as He saves through the Scriptures. Thanks for asking)

"O death, where is thy sting? He has Risen, Alleluia..."

 

[D46]

Sorry, but Golfjack is correct. We Trinitarian Christians believe that God consists of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, not "Jesus alone" or "Christ alone". Christ alone did not save - God saved - and He is NOT alone. He is one but not alone. As Jesus said, He can do NOTHING without the Father. He does what He sees the Father doing, and nothing else - unless you believe in multiple gods. Jesus is the WAY to the FATHER. It is to the FATHER whom we offer worship, in unity with Christ and the Holy Ghost!

I think we believe and see the same thinigs here but we're all explaining it differently. Possibly because of the way we see it, the way we were taught or what we've read through the course of time.

Jesus is the WAY to the FATHER.

Jesus IS the Father!! He is God incarnate-thus sayeth the Scriptures. francis, you and oscar are the most hard headed peckerwoods I've ever seen!! But what can you expect from a "cultist" like me...care for some Kool Aid? Freshly brewed by Bro. Jim. 8-)

 

[golfjack]

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Fran, You were doing pretty good there, but how can anyyone be saved through Mary? There is no redemption for sin without the Blood of the Lamb. Mary cannot answers prayers anymore than the man in the Moon does. The Bible is a bloody Bible. How do you think Old Testament saints were saved? It's by the blood of sacfrificial lambs and obedience to the Torah.



May God bless, golfjack

 

[Gabbylittleangel]

...If you insist on sound-bite theology, how about "Sola Deus"? We can all agree on that one. (no, Mary or the Church doesn't save - God saves through them, just as He saves through the Scriptures. Thanks for asking)

"O death, where is thy sting? He has Risen, Alleluia..."

Howdy golfjack,

I think you misread her post. We all do that from time to time.
She says no Mary doesn't save....

Just thought I would step in here.

Blessings.

 

[jgredline]

D46 wrote: francis, you and oscar are the most hard headed peckerwoods I've ever seen!!

I am realizing you may not even know you are a modalist. It appears to me anyway and quite a few others that your true beliefs have been exposed. No matter how you try and explain them, its obvious that you deny the deity of Christ which is what this thread is about. Francis, Oscar and Golfjack are correct on what they have called you on. Then you go and call francis and Oscar a bad word that quite frankly is very offensive to me and I thank God My Kids are not here with me right now, as in particular my 11 year old daughter likes reading these post. You need and should be ashamed of yourself. As for your beliefs you have contradicted yourself quite a few times. Like Oscar said. You have a silver tongue and are good and sounding good, but your theology is false.

 

[D46]

j-I don't know where you're from but, that term is hardly bad where I come from. It's used often and is of no significance except to indicate a hard head or hard heart. Don't make something out of nothing. I said it in jest as we all know it should have been woodpecker. Lighten up j-it's Friday night.

As for what you or anyone else thiinks of my theology, well-think what you will. It matters not to me as I know what I believe and whether I've achieved my goal in getting it across to some of you is your problem to discern and not mine. Yep-Kris Kristofferson wrote a sone about me back around 1971 The Silver Tongued Devil and I. :-D