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for_his_glory said:
My Bible did not come with a set of instructions for rules of interpretation,
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My ESV Study Bible does come with an appendix titled "Interpreting the Bible," in which it goes through some basic principles and considerations for interpretation.

for_his_glory said:
but does say study to show yourself approved unto God.
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Part of which includes adhering to proper rules for interpretation and using study aids such as lexicons and Bible dictionaries.

for_his_glory said:
It's also written that I need no man to teach me apart from the Holy Spirit teaching them first
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Where is that written?

for_his_glory said:
even then it is up to me alone through the Holy Spirit to discern what I am being taught is truth or error. Many defend error without realizing the error they speak is not truth, but that of what they believe to be truth by another that teaches them.
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And numerous people, as has been seen many times on these forums, believe that we only need the Holy Spirit to teach us, not man. Despite each of them believing that they have been taught by the Holy Spirit, they all disagreed with one another. They simply cannot all be right and puts their claim and yours into serious doubt.

for_his_glory said:
So no, I do not need anyone apart from the Holy Spirit to teach me.
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Then you're going against the Bible.

for_his_glory said:
Jesus warned us in Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
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I know. :shrug
 
Simply learning how to apply Inductive Bible Study is an eye-opener.

One person's thoughts on the method:
Inductive Bible study consists of three component parts, which we will look at separately, but which frequently overlap in practice. These three parts are observation, interpretation, and application.
Observation answers the question: What does the passage say? It is the foundation which must be laid if you want to accurately interpret and properly apply God's Word. Have you ever read a book, chapter, or verse of the Bible and five minutes later been unable to remember anything you have read? So often we read the Bible with our eyes but not with our mind. There are several reasons for this. Either
  • we think God's Word will magically make an impression on us without any effort on our part, or
  • we don't really believe we can understand what we've read, or
  • we are waiting for the pastor to teach on this section of Scripture so we'll know what to believe.
Often, however, we forget what we have read simply because we don't know what to look for in the text. Therefore, in the first part of this book you are going to learn what to look for when you read your Bible.

Because observation is discovering what the passage is saying, it requires time and practice. You'll discover that the more you read and get to know a book of the Bible, the more its truths will become obvious to you. You'll be awed at the wealth of spiritual riches contained in even the shortest books of the Bible—and you will have discovered it yourself! You will know that you know!

Interpretation answers the question: What does the passage mean? And the basis for accurate interpretation is always careful observation. Interpretation is the process of discovering what the passage means. As you carefully observe Scripture, the meaning will become apparent. However, if you rush into interpretation without laying the vital foundation of accurate observation, your understanding will be colored by your presuppositions—what you think, what you feel, or what other people have said, rather than what God's Word says.

Interpretation is not necessarily a separate step from observation, for often, as you carefully observe the text, at that very moment you begin to see what it means. Thus, interpretation flows out of observation.

However, interpretation can also involve separate actions or steps that go beyond merely observing the immediate text. One of these exercises is investigating cross-references. First and foremost, let Scripture interpret Scripture. You may also use other helps, such as word studies or the evaluation of resources such as commentaries and Bible dictionaries to check your conclusions or to supplement your understanding of the historical or cultural setting of the text.

What we are going to do is to give you principles of interpretation and offer special sections to guide you in handling different types of writing, including figures of speech, parables, and allegories. We'll also show you how to do word studies and how to use Bible study tools that will greatly enhance your learning. It's going to be exciting—and so enlightening!

Application answers the question: How does the meaning of this passage apply to me? Usually this is the first thing we want to know when we read the Bible, but proper application actually begins with belief which then results in being and doing. Once you know what a passage means, you are not only responsible for putting it into practice in your own life, but accountable if you don't! Ultimately, then, the goal of personal Bible study is a transformed life and a deep and abiding relationship with Jesus Christ.

Application is not a third step in the inductive process. Rather, application takes place as you are confronted with truth and decide to respond in obedience to that truth. The basis for application is 2 Timothy 3:16-17:

All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.

When you know what God says, what He means, and how to put His truths into practice, you will be equipped for every circumstance of life. To be equipped for every good work of life—totally prepared to handle every situation in a way that honors God—is not only possible, it is God's will. And that's what you will learn how to do if you will apply these study principles. Oh, the hundreds of stories we could tell you about what God has done because people disciplined themselves to know His Word in this way. It would thrill your heart! But right now stories aren't our purpose; getting you into the Word inductively is! Then, friend, you can tell your own story! We'd love to hear it!

When you know what God says, what He means, and how to put His truths into practice, you will be equipped for every circumstance of life.

How Observation, Interpretation, and Application Relate to Each Other

Accurate interpretation and correct application rest on the accuracy of your observations. Therefore, it is vital that you develop observation skills, even if at first they seem time-consuming or you feel less than adequate and even awkward doing them. Studying inductively is a learning process that does not happen overnight. It happens by doing—doing over and over again, until the doing becomes almost a habit, and a wonderful one at that.

As you go through the inductive process, you'll sometimes find observation, interpretation, and application happening simultaneously. God can give you insight at any point in your study, so be sensitive to His leading. When words or passages make an impression on you, stop for a moment and meditate on what God has shown you. Bring the plumb line of truth against what you believe and how you are living.

When you know what God says, what He means, and how to put His truths into practice, you will be equipped for every circumstance of life.

Through a diligent study of God's Word, under the guidance of His Spirit, you'll drop a strong anchor that will hold in the storms of life. You will know your God. And when you know your God, not only will you be strong, but you will do great exploits for Him (Daniel 11:32).
 
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Willie T said:
Simply learning how to apply Inductive Bible Study is an eye-opener.

One person's thoughts on the method:
Inductive Bible study consists of three component parts, which we will look at separately, but which frequently overlap in practice. These three parts are observation, interpretation, and application.
Observation answers the question: What does the passage say? It is the foundation which must be laid if you want to accurately interpret and properly apply God's Word. Have you ever read a book, chapter, or verse of the Bible and five minutes later been unable to remember anything you have read? So often we read the Bible with our eyes but not with our mind. There are several reasons for this. Either

  • we think God's Word will magically make an impression on us without any effort on our part, or
  • we don't really believe we can understand what we've read, or
  • we are waiting for the pastor to teach on this section of Scripture so we'll know what to believe.
Often, however, we forget what we have read simply because we don't know what to look for in the text. Therefore, in the first part of this book you are going to learn what to look for when you read your Bible.

Because observation is discovering what the passage is saying, it requires time and practice. You'll discover that the more you read and get to know a book of the Bible, the more its truths will become obvious to you. You'll be awed at the wealth of spiritual riches contained in even the shortest books of the Bible—and you will have discovered it yourself! You will know that you know!

Interpretation answers the question: What does the passage mean? And the basis for accurate interpretation is always careful observation. Interpretation is the process of discovering what the passage means. As you carefully observe Scripture, the meaning will become apparent. However, if you rush into interpretation without laying the vital foundation of accurate observation, your understanding will be colored by your presuppositions—what you think, what you feel, or what other people have said, rather than what God's Word says.

Interpretation is not necessarily a separate step from observation, for often, as you carefully observe the text, at that very moment you begin to see what it means. Thus, interpretation flows out of observation.

However, interpretation can also involve separate actions or steps that go beyond merely observing the immediate text. One of these exercises is investigating cross-references. First and foremost, let Scripture interpret Scripture. You may also use other helps, such as word studies or the evaluation of resources such as commentaries and Bible dictionaries to check your conclusions or to supplement your understanding of the historical or cultural setting of the text.

What we are going to do is to give you principles of interpretation and offer special sections to guide you in handling different types of writing, including figures of speech, parables, and allegories. We'll also show you how to do word studies and how to use Bible study tools that will greatly enhance your learning. It's going to be exciting—and so enlightening!

Application answers the question: How does the meaning of this passage apply to me? Usually this is the first thing we want to know when we read the Bible, but proper application actually begins with belief which then results in being and doing. Once you know what a passage means, you are not only responsible for putting it into practice in your own life, but accountable if you don't! Ultimately, then, the goal of personal Bible study is a transformed life and a deep and abiding relationship with Jesus Christ.

Application is not a third step in the inductive process. Rather, application takes place as you are confronted with truth and decide to respond in obedience to that truth. The basis for application is 2 Timothy 3:16-17:

All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.

When you know what God says, what He means, and how to put His truths into practice, you will be equipped for every circumstance of life. To be equipped for every good work of life—totally prepared to handle every situation in a way that honors God—is not only possible, it is God's will. And that's what you will learn how to do if you will apply these study principles. Oh, the hundreds of stories we could tell you about what God has done because people disciplined themselves to know His Word in this way. It would thrill your heart! But right now stories aren't our purpose; getting you into the Word inductively is! Then, friend, you can tell your own story! We'd love to hear it!

When you know what God says, what He means, and how to put His truths into practice, you will be equipped for every circumstance of life.

How Observation, Interpretation, and Application Relate to Each Other

Accurate interpretation and correct application rest on the accuracy of your observations. Therefore, it is vital that you develop observation skills, even if at first they seem time-consuming or you feel less than adequate and even awkward doing them. Studying inductively is a learning process that does not happen overnight. It happens by doing—doing over and over again, until the doing becomes almost a habit, and a wonderful one at that.

As you go through the inductive process, you'll sometimes find observation, interpretation, and application happening simultaneously. God can give you insight at any point in your study, so be sensitive to His leading. When words or passages make an impression on you, stop for a moment and meditate on what God has shown you. Bring the plumb line of truth against what you believe and how you are living.

When you know what God says, what He means, and how to put His truths into practice, you will be equipped for every circumstance of life.

Through a diligent study of God's Word, under the guidance of His Spirit, you'll drop a strong anchor that will hold in the storms of life. You will know your God. And when you know your God, not only will you be strong, but you will do great exploits for Him (Daniel 11:32).
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Source?
 
eddif said:
Ok now I become the enemy LOL

Acts 18:26 kjv
And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly
27 And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:

IMHO Being fervent in the spirit does not mean he was baptized in the Holy Spirit. It just means he was passionate about his approach to teaching.

The (more perfectly) would mean they told him he needed to believe in the one he was
Teaching about. The baptism of John is not salvation , but repentance.

In this case you have apologetics (showing error) and evangelizing in moving him along to baptism in Jesus Christ.

Verse 28 I hate to mention, because Free will say “see I told you how important Apologetics is). LOL. Look at context though.

Redneck
eddif
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No enemy here :biggrin as sometimes I think I'm the only one that gets you at times and Apollos is a great example of apologetic and theology as all things need to be taught in truth by what has already been written in the scriptures by these inspired men of God.
 
Free said:
My ESV Study Bible does come with an appendix titled "Interpreting the Bible," in which it goes through some basic principles and considerations for interpretation.


Part of which includes adhering to proper rules for interpretation and using study aids such as lexicons and Bible dictionaries.


Where is that written?


And numerous people, as has been seen many times on these forums, believe that we only need the Holy Spirit to teach us, not man. Despite each of them believing that they have been taught by the Holy Spirit, they all disagreed with one another. They simply cannot all be right and puts their claim and yours into serious doubt.


Then you're going against the Bible.


I know. :shrug
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One does not need to interpretate that which is already clear in it's understanding, but only teach what is written. It's the Holy Spirit who helps me with those scriptures I might not understand as He will reveal other scriptures to me to compare scripture with scripture until I understand the full context or at times will send someone to me that will help me understand that has more Spiritual knowledge than I have.

The only study aids I need is my concordance and my Bible dictionary when I need to look up certain words.

John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

It is only man that have been anointed and have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit that can teach us anything, but we have to also learn how to Spiritually discern what is being taught us, 1 John 4:1-6. I have no clue how others are taught in order to teach us as some are taught by the Spirit of truth and others by the spirit of error. We alone have to give account before God of what we learned and have taught others as there will be no excuse before God.
 
Apologetics - Christian apologetics is the both the science and art of answering this question , )why follow Jesus(, by using reasons and evidence.The word apologetics first appears in the New Testament in 1 Peter 3:15 Article

*Evangelism



Evangelism
The active calling of people to respond to the message of grace and commit oneself to God in Jesus Christ. While many think of evangelism as a New Testament phenomena, profound concern for all people is also obvious in the Old Testament (1 Kings 8:41-45 ; Psalm 22:27-28 ; Isaiah 2:2-4 ). God's care for the first couple after they had sinned, His plan to “bless” all people through the Israelite nation, and His continuing attempts through the prophets and through discipline to forge His people into a usable nation all speak of His concern.

While Israel's influence was primarily national and magnetic in nature, there were instances of individual and external witness (Daniel 3-6 ; 2 Kings 5:15-18 ; Jonah 3:1-10 ). Though Israel was largely a failure in carrying out her mission, the large number of God-fearers at the beginning of the Christian era show that her magnetic attraction and proselytizing efforts were not entirely unfruitful. Full Reading
 
Willie T said:
Simply learning how to apply Inductive Bible Study is an eye-opener.

One person's thoughts on the method:
Inductive Bible study consists of three component parts, which we will look at separately, but which frequently overlap in practice. These three parts are observation, interpretation, and application.
Observation answers the question: What does the passage say? It is the foundation which must be laid if you want to accurately interpret and properly apply God's Word. Have you ever read a book, chapter, or verse of the Bible and five minutes later been unable to remember anything you have read? So often we read the Bible with our eyes but not with our mind. There are several reasons for this. Either
  • we think God's Word will magically make an impression on us without any effort on our part, or
  • we don't really believe we can understand what we've read, or
  • we are waiting for the pastor to teach on this section of Scripture so we'll know what to believe.
Often, however, we forget what we have read simply because we don't know what to look for in the text. Therefore, in the first part of this book you are going to learn what to look for when you read your Bible.

Because observation is discovering what the passage is saying, it requires time and practice. You'll discover that the more you read and get to know a book of the Bible, the more its truths will become obvious to you. You'll be awed at the wealth of spiritual riches contained in even the shortest books of the Bible—and you will have discovered it yourself! You will know that you know!

Interpretation answers the question: What does the passage mean? And the basis for accurate interpretation is always careful observation. Interpretation is the process of discovering what the passage means. As you carefully observe Scripture, the meaning will become apparent. However, if you rush into interpretation without laying the vital foundation of accurate observation, your understanding will be colored by your presuppositions—what you think, what you feel, or what other people have said, rather than what God's Word says.

Interpretation is not necessarily a separate step from observation, for often, as you carefully observe the text, at that very moment you begin to see what it means. Thus, interpretation flows out of observation.

However, interpretation can also involve separate actions or steps that go beyond merely observing the immediate text. One of these exercises is investigating cross-references. First and foremost, let Scripture interpret Scripture. You may also use other helps, such as word studies or the evaluation of resources such as commentaries and Bible dictionaries to check your conclusions or to supplement your understanding of the historical or cultural setting of the text.

What we are going to do is to give you principles of interpretation and offer special sections to guide you in handling different types of writing, including figures of speech, parables, and allegories. We'll also show you how to do word studies and how to use Bible study tools that will greatly enhance your learning. It's going to be exciting—and so enlightening!

Application answers the question: How does the meaning of this passage apply to me? Usually this is the first thing we want to know when we read the Bible, but proper application actually begins with belief which then results in being and doing. Once you know what a passage means, you are not only responsible for putting it into practice in your own life, but accountable if you don't! Ultimately, then, the goal of personal Bible study is a transformed life and a deep and abiding relationship with Jesus Christ.

Application is not a third step in the inductive process. Rather, application takes place as you are confronted with truth and decide to respond in obedience to that truth. The basis for application is 2 Timothy 3:16-17:

All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.

When you know what God says, what He means, and how to put His truths into practice, you will be equipped for every circumstance of life. To be equipped for every good work of life—totally prepared to handle every situation in a way that honors God—is not only possible, it is God's will. And that's what you will learn how to do if you will apply these study principles. Oh, the hundreds of stories we could tell you about what God has done because people disciplined themselves to know His Word in this way. It would thrill your heart! But right now stories aren't our purpose; getting you into the Word inductively is! Then, friend, you can tell your own story! We'd love to hear it!

When you know what God says, what He means, and how to put His truths into practice, you will be equipped for every circumstance of life.

How Observation, Interpretation, and Application Relate to Each Other

Accurate interpretation and correct application rest on the accuracy of your observations. Therefore, it is vital that you develop observation skills, even if at first they seem time-consuming or you feel less than adequate and even awkward doing them. Studying inductively is a learning process that does not happen overnight. It happens by doing—doing over and over again, until the doing becomes almost a habit, and a wonderful one at that.

As you go through the inductive process, you'll sometimes find observation, interpretation, and application happening simultaneously. God can give you insight at any point in your study, so be sensitive to His leading. When words or passages make an impression on you, stop for a moment and meditate on what God has shown you. Bring the plumb line of truth against what you believe and how you are living.

When you know what God says, what He means, and how to put His truths into practice, you will be equipped for every circumstance of life.

Through a diligent study of God's Word, under the guidance of His Spirit, you'll drop a strong anchor that will hold in the storms of life. You will know your God. And when you know your God, not only will you be strong, but you will do great exploits for Him (Daniel 11:32).
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What's the link to that article?
 
blessedsmithereens said:
As someone reading the article that they shared I'd say, so what? The body of the article is informative. Why quibble over first place or last place.
Besides that, 1 Peter has for years had its critics in the Apologetics community of PhD's .
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I'm not sure what article as neither of those links bring me to an article. It isn't quibbling. It is about being factually correct. If it was the first place in the Bible, it would be the only place in the Bible. But that isn't the case.

What does any supposed criticism of 1 Peter have to do with anything?
 
Free said:
I'm not sure what article as neither of those links bring me to an article. It isn't quibbling. It is about being factually correct. If it was the first place in the Bible, it would be the only place in the Bible. But that isn't the case.

What does any supposed criticism of 1 Peter have to do with anything?
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Well, if you haven't read the article and you can't see "article" in the post by Uber you really have nothing to say about my remarks that arrived due to having read the article.
 
blessedsmithereens said:
Well, if you haven't read the article and you can't see "article" in the post by Uber you really have nothing to say about my remarks that arrived due to having read the article.
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Having just found and read the articles, I can see that your statement here has nothing to do with my post, which had everything to do with your post. What is your point?
 
Free said:
Actually, 1 Pet. 3:15 is the last place in the NT that the Greek word apologia is used. The first place is Acts 22:1.

https://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/greek/nas/apologia.html
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According to the article it was 1 Pet. 3:15. https://crossexamined.org/christian-apologetics/

I wonder if a different word is being used?

'and the Lord God sanctify in your hearts. And [be] ready always for defence to every one who is asking of you an account concerning the hope that [is] in you, with meekness and fear; ' 1 Peter 3:15 https://www.bible.com/bible/821/1PE.3.15

'‘Men, brethren, and fathers, hear my defence now unto you;’ — ' Acts 22:1 https://www.bible.com/bible/821/ACT.22.1

I don't know how to compare the two words in their original. I'll have to check my apps.
 
'and the Lord God sanctify in your hearts. And [be] ready always for defence to every one who is asking of you an account concerning the hope that [is] in you, with meekness and fear; ' 1 Peter 3:15 https://www.bible.com/bible/821/1PE.3.15
G627 ἀπολογία apologia

'‘Men, brethren, and fathers, hear my defence now unto you;’ — ' Acts 22:1 https://www.bible.com/bible/821/ACT.22.1
G627 ἀπολογία apologia

Well, according to my lexicon check it's the same word. Well that was fun! Had to download e-Sword.
 
Free said:
Apologetics is biblically based, commanded by Peter, shown in use by Paul in Acts, and is the basis of much of the NT.

To say that ‘there is nothing truly “Biblical” about it’, is to be completely ignorant of what apologetics is and its purpose. What you’re describing is more theological polemics than apologetics.
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in most cases apologetic turns in to argument ..my doctrine is Superior than yours on this point i have to agree with willie T
 
Willie T said:
Apologetics is little more than man-conjured argument over individual and differing beliefs about Theology. There is nothing truly "Biblical" about it.
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oi veh!
Apologetics is an orderly and logical presentation of WHY you believe WHAT you believe.

Most of the arguing I have seen here is more like what you have described: the man-made, conjured-up arguments of untrained, under-educated, logically challenged, people throwing "proof-text bombs" at each other while believing they have somehow proven a point. (Which goes to the argument in support of the continuation of miracles.)

Apologetics is generally done properly by people who have been well educated in the faith, in scripture, in logic, and rhetoric as well as being fully conversant in the arguments against the faith. Thus they are prepared "to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in" them.
(1Pe 3:15)


iakov the fool
 
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