The earth restored

[endtimesdeut32/70AD]

The elements will be burned away. Find that scripture.
- seven days of re-creation and the eight day begins eternity on the New Earth.

In the greek. Elements are the foundational pri
nciples of a system.

Barnabus write that they met on the 8th day in celebratiin of the new creation and new beginning in post 70AD.

"But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare."

Are you understanding the context? This is not speaking of foundational principles.

Revelation also points to a destroying of the Earth...
Then I saw "a new heaven and a new earth," for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.

If the curse was lifted through the flood, then for what reason is it to be destryed again?


The words and phases were written ti people who had understanding if and who were still living in the influence and oppression of the mosaic covt heavens (ordinances) and admunistations. I believe they need to be cinsidered in light of the mindset of the people recieving the letters. For instance, 'sea' was a term for Gentiles or Goy. But with the revealing and proving of the saints of the son of man, and the new covanent, people of ALL races languages and tonguesfall under tge same heading (human Adamic race) There is no 'sea', and mosaic covt land from Gods perspective though some would wish to perpetuate the distinction.

Rom 11:32; gal 3:22

 

[jasoncran]

uhm even in jewish thought the idea that creation would be destroyed after the messianic era is still taught. the ramban used wording similar to pete's idea of a day is a thousand years etc.

 

[Joe Domingo]

It should be understood that the Earth is not going to be disintegrated, or the heavens.

This Earth is going to be burned as well as the atmosphere. Nothing more that God eradicating all of the sin filled effects man has suffered the Earth and Heaven (atmosphere) with. Ie... cars, buildings, boats, roads etc etc.

The New Heaven and New Earth will have no traces of past pollutants or physical history of man's pre-existence. This fire will even burn up the ocean, for John said "there was no more sea". That is literal not symbolic. You can tell by the context. Context is key to understanding scripture.

without context you get Harold Camping types

 

[jasoncran]

uhm if that is the case then how can a LITERAL FIRE THAT BURNS at the temperature of say 4500 f burn the sun? the sun temp at surface is a mean of 18000 c. kinda wouldn't be a fire wouldn't. i personally take that as a restoration via purging the sin of men and its effects from the earth.

 

[Joe Domingo]

uhm if that is the case then how can a LITERAL FIRE THAT BURNS at the temperature of say 4500 f burn the sun? the sun temp at surface is a mean of 18000 c. kinda wouldn't be a fire wouldn't. i personally take that as a restoration via purging the sin of men and its effects from the earth.

SMH...

Why would the Sun need to be burned? When all that needs to be "purged" is our atmosphere...

Man has polluted the atmosphere and Earth with his sins. These are the only two that need to be re-created.

I would imagine this is what Jesus means when he says, "Heaven and Earth will pass away". Surely I don't see why he would mean the Sun, Moon and Stars, when sinful mankind has only sent but a few electronic instruments into space and other planets that the Lord can zap with no problem.

But I grow tired. Think I'm being vexed lol

Have a great day man

 

[digging]

Thanks for starting this topic n2thelight,

If we allow ourselves we will see that the earth restored has been the promise from God all through the OT and also in the NT.

Matthew 5:5 NAS

"Blessed are the gentle, for they shall inherit the earth.

My personal view is that fallen sinful mankind as a collective is the 'curse' to the living earth, just as when Adam sinned God said

Gen 3:17.... ; Cursed is the ground because of you; In toil you will eat of it All the days of your life.

Thus all the plagues mentioned in Revelation I see as a symbolic description of the effects our beast like empires and harlot like societies are having on the created world.

I see fallen sinful mankind as the curse, but what is burned up in Revelation?

The Harlot is completely burned with fire.

What we have built and made that is out of harmony with the will of God and his plan for peace on earth is what will fail.

Right now man is at war against creation and thus the Creator because of what we are doing to the living systems on earth, we are like a locust fire at work already, but the time is coming when what we have built will be what is burned up in the fire because we have tried to fiight again the Creator of Heaven and Earth.

Revelation 5:13 NAS

And every created thing which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all things in them, I heard saying, "To Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, be blessing and honor and glory and dominion forever and ever."


All creation has it exist to be able to praise God!

Psalm 104:5 NAS

He established the earth upon its foundations, So that it will not totter forever and ever.

As for earthquake and such, don't forget how the Angels came and helped Lot get away safe, so as long as there is a way to protect life I don't believe the natural cycles of the planet need to be changed as well.

Digging

 

[jasoncran]

uhm if that is the case then how can a LITERAL FIRE THAT BURNS at the temperature of say 4500 f burn the sun? the sun temp at surface is a mean of 18000 c. kinda wouldn't be a fire wouldn't. i personally take that as a restoration via purging the sin of men and its effects from the earth.

SMH...

Why would the Sun need to be burned? When all that needs to be "purged" is our atmosphere...

Man has polluted the atmosphere and Earth with his sins. These are the only two that need to be re-created.

I would imagine this is what Jesus means when he says, "Heaven and Earth will pass away". Surely I don't see why he would mean the Sun, Moon and Stars, when sinful mankind has only sent but a few electronic instruments into space and other planets that the Lord can zap with no problem.

But I grow tired. Think I'm being vexed lol

Have a great day man

the word heavens to the jew is either the idea of the lord in it and the angels or as what to you? elements with fervent heat. and remember in revalation it says the sun shall be no more.

when was it destroyed then? actually he did mean that. if the lord meant heaven and earth wasn't the jewish idea of it then it would be the literal kind.

 

[endtimesdeut32/70AD]

uhm even in jewish thought the idea that creation would be destroyed after the messianic era is still taught. the ramban used wording similar to pete's idea of a day is a thousand years etc.

According to the septuigent, the 6th millenium ended i @375 A.D.

 

[endtimesdeut32/70AD]

This Earth is going to be burned as well as the atmosphere. Nothing more that God eradicating all of the sin filled effects man has suffered the Earth and Heaven (atmosphere) with. Ie... cars, buildings, boats, road
The New Heaven and Ne.w Earth will have no traces of past pollutants or physical history of man's pre-existence. This fire will even burn up the ocean, for John said "there was no more sea". That is literal not symbolic. You can tell by the context. Context is key to understanding scripture.

without context you get Harold Camping types

I disagree, AND stste that it is perspectuves like these which are dishonoring if the father and son.

 

[endtimesdeut32/70AD]

I would imagine this is what Jesus means when he says, "Heaven and Earth will pass away". Surely I don't see why he would mean the Sun, Moon and Stars, when sinful mankind has only sent but a few electronic instruments into space and other planets that the Lord can zap with no problem.

But I grow tired. Think I'm being vexed lol

Have a great day man

What did the prophet refer to as the 'heavens and earth' in Isaiah 13?

Wgat 'Heavens and earth were lording over the christians in the first century?

 

[jasoncran]

the lxx isn't where I got that. the lxx isn't quoted nor liked by jews(Chassidic) its considered idolatry to them

 

[digging]

Revelation honours God because he is the Creator of all life on earth, and in Revelation it say's he will bring to ruin those ruining the earth, NOT that he would ruin it even more!

As for the sea the bible also uses water as a symbol for groups of people.
Revelation 17:15 NAS

And he said to me, "The waters which you saw where the harlot sits, are peoples and multitudes and nations and tongues.

Digging

 

[endtimesdeut32/70AD]

the lxx isn't where I got that. the lxx isn't quoted nor liked by jews(Chassidic) its considered idolatry to them

Wasn't it Jewish rabbis and scribes who translated their writings to greek?. The sept dates to @200 b.c. and the Masoretic to @ 800 A.D. The apostles used rhe lxx from what I've gathered. There are differeces in chronological records between the two which amount to @ 1500 yrs lost in the masoretic.

 

[endtimesdeut32/70AD]

Revelation honours God because he is the Creator of all life on earth, and in Revelation it say's he will bring to ruin those ruining the earth, NOT that he would ruin it even more!

As for the sea the bible also uses water as a symbol for groups of people.
Revelation 17:15 NAS

And he said to me, "The waters which you saw where the harlot sits, are peoples and multitudes and nations and tongues.

Digging

My consideration is that those who think these events and princuples sre still future are facilitators if the continuation of the crimes.


Which of the churches in asia minor to whom the letter was addressed do you or any of us belong?

 

[digging]

By linking the word 'crimes' to my statement does not give your view any more credit. I can see that you like to talk about the preterism perspective. I'm sure we could have some interesting exchanges because my view of Revelation might be considered a little of a blend.

I agree that some of the book reads as past and some reads as still future. Just from my own personal opinion I see the event of Jesus death and resurrection as the marker in time when the events mentioned and described in Revelation could BEGIN, but to begin does not automatically bring the conclusion at the same moment! For example when God gave the promise of the seed in Genesis it took many 1000's of years before everything was in place for him to arrive. This is how I see revelation, Jesus opened the scrolls and the things fortold could begin to unfold. I see much of revelation as past some as presently happening with some really great stuff yet to come.
Also the main point is that eternal life on earth is the gift, and the same gift is offered to all believers and I have not received my gift yet and the
bible promises that everyone will receive the gift at the same time.

Digging

 

[John 8:32]

I agree that some of the book reads as past and some reads as still future. Just from my own personal opinion I see the event of Jesus death and resurrection as the marker in time when the events mentioned and described in Revelation could BEGIN, but to begin don't not automatically bring the conclusion at the same moment! Digging

As I have stated many times in the past, the seven heads are...

1) Justinian 554AD
2) Charlemagne 800AD
3) Otto the Great 962AD
4) Charles V 1520AD
5) Napolean 1805AD
6) Hitler Mussolini 1930's to 1945AD
7) One yet to come

The book is written from the view point of the 1930's to 1945...

Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, (1 to 5 above) and one is, (Hitler Mussolini) and the other is not yet come; (Rising now in Europe) and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

 

[JLB]

The elements will be burned away. Find that scripture.
- seven days of re-creation and the eight day begins eternity on the New Earth.

In the greek. Elements are the foundational pri
nciples of a system.

Barnabus write that they met on the 8th day in celebratiin of the new creation and new beginning in post 70AD.

How about chapter and verse for that.


JLB

 

[jasoncran]

the lxx isn't where I got that. the lxx isn't quoted nor liked by jews(Chassidic) its considered idolatry to them

Wasn't it Jewish rabbis and scribes who translated their writings to greek?. The sept dates to @200 b.c. and the Masoretic to @ 800 A.D. The apostles used rhe lxx from what I've gathered. There are differeces in chronological records between the two which amount to @ 1500 yrs lost in the masoretic.

no the Masoretic text is from the essenes. and was around from the time of the Christ the lxx isn't used by the protestant church. the lxx isn't a literal Hebrew-Greek translation. I call the lxx the niv of the ot.
How does one translate YHWH which in the tanach is stated Hashem to greek? LORD(kyrios). do a study on that Name and see why I don't like that translation.

 

[Joe Domingo]

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[Joe Domingo]

Barnabus write that they met on the 8th day in celebratiin of the new creation and new beginning in post 70AD.

How about chapter and verse for that.


JLB