THE GOSPEL OF GOD IN THE STARS

[jeremiah1five]

Has God told us the names of every star? No.

Yes, He has. And that knowledge is with us today.

Is a collection of names a sentence? No: James, Harry, Susan, Barbara, Shelley, Bob, Cameron. This is a list, not a sentence. And this list communicates nothing to us about any of those named in it, except their gender. A basic sentence typically has a subject, verb and object, a prepositional phrase, maybe some adverbs and adjectives. A list has none of these things.

James means "supplanter"
Harry means "estate ruler"
Barbara means "foreign woman"
Shelly means "clearing on a bank"
Bob/Robert means "bright fame"
Cameron means "crooked nose"

Being that your confusion of mixing male and female names together I can make a sentence out of your names:
"A "foreign woman" with a "crooked nose" is of "bright fame" because she is an "estate ruler" whose property is near a "clearing on a bank" who got her possessions by being a "supplanter."

There you go. Subject, verb, object, a prepositional phrase with some adverbs and adjectives.

Why? Why are ancient Mesopotamian names for constellations necessary for us to know? Was God Mesopotamian?
How do you know that God did as you say here and for the reason you've asserted? Where do you get the idea that "the heavens reveal the prophecies of God's Mighty Redeemer"? Nothing you've put forward to this point supports this contention.
Jude 1:14-15
14 It was also about these that Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied, saying, “Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of his holy ones,
15 to execute judgment on all and to convict all the ungodly of all their deeds of ungodliness that they have committed in such an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things that ungodly sinners have spoken against him.”

So, where in what Jude wrote here do you derive the idea of "star-pictures"? Enoch, quoted here by Jude, says nothing of his prophecy coming from such a source... No other prophet of God in the OT ever indicated he was told what to say on the basis of "star-pictures." Instead, they all said that God told them directly what to prophesy, sometimes doing so in visions, or by a visitation of the angel of the Lord, or speaking to them audibly from the air, as in the instance of Elijah hearing God's voice at the mouth of the cave in which he had been hiding. I know of no instance, however, in the OT where a prophet was instructed about a prophecy of God from star constellations.
Well, none of what you assert here is actually supported by the passage you've cited. You're eisegeting (forcing into), not exegeting (drawing out of), Scripture - a very dangerous approach to understanding God's word.

After the flood the knowledge of God's star-bible was lost. But it's come back and it's not unreasonable to conclude that God named the stars, names have meaning (just like Greek words and Hebrew words) and God placed His Gospel of His Redeemer in the stars. Nothing wrong with that.
Now, I've just given you the exegetical from Psalms 147. I haven't forced anything into the Scripture but made reasonable conclusions. Add to that Psalm 19 in which David is talking about the heavens and the speech and knowledge that we God's faithful can look to to make sure that the Gospel of God written on papyrus is correct.
God created the heaven and everything in it. Likje a canvas God wrote His message in the stars that cannot be touched and mutilated by man maybe with His finger, the same finger He may have used in writing His commandments in stone.
The bible, whether in the heaven or on paper is for believers, not unbelievers.
By the way, when Christ returns we are ALL going to see the actual Noah's Ark.

 

[Tenchi]

Yes, He has. And that knowledge is with us today.

I'm assuming you mean the names of only a very few stars since they number in the many billions in the universe. Where exactly is this list of star names from God?

James means "supplanter"
Harry means "estate ruler"
Barbara means "foreign woman"
Shelly means "clearing on a bank"
Bob/Robert means "bright fame"
Cameron means "crooked nose"

Being that your confusion of mixing male and female names together I can make a sentence out of your names:
"A "foreign woman" with a "crooked nose" is of "bright fame" because she is an "estate ruler" whose property is near a "clearing on a bank" who got her possessions by being a "supplanter."

There you go. Subject, verb, object, a prepositional phrase with some adverbs and adjectives.

I'm pretty sure you know that this is an example of what is called "specious reasoning." It's the kind of thing children do in argument with each other. Yes, you can string together the root meanings of a list of names, adding words and ordering them as it suits you to do until you form a sentence. But in doing this you have imposed meaning upon the list, not simply taken the list as it is, largely meaningless though it may be as a list. You've imposed your own order on the names, arranging them in a way that suits you; into the list of words you've also added words that it never originally contained ("because," "property," "is of," etc.); and then, because you've been able to do this with a list of names, you appear to want to assert (without any reasonable justification) that it is entirely appropriate to do so. The names could have been ordered differently, however, and alternate verbs, adjectives and prepositions added so that the list of names ends up with a completely different meaning from the one you've imposed upon the list. It doesn't have an intrinsic meaning or message, which is why playing around with the list in the way you have is possible. Thus, the very contortions you've been able to make to the list demonstrate that it has no actual message of its own to convey.

After the flood the knowledge of God's star-bible was lost.

??? You've offered nothing in concrete substantiation of this claim...

But it's come back and it's not unreasonable to conclude that God named the stars, names have meaning (just like Greek words and Hebrew words) and God placed His Gospel of His Redeemer in the stars. Nothing wrong with that.

What do you mean "it's come back"?

God may have named the many billions of stars in the universe, but there is no list of their names He's given to us that I'm aware of.

It doesn't follow that, because the names God may have given to stars have meaning, therefore "His Gospel of His Redeemer" is expressed in their names. This a raw assumption you're making here that doesn't follow necessarily from your premise.

Now, I've just given you the exegetical from Psalms 147.

No, you haven't. There are twenty verses in the Psalm and the only one to mention stars is verse 4. It says nothing about the Gospel being in the names of the stars; it says nothing about God intending to invest the names of stars with the Gospel message; the verse says nothing about God giving to humans a list of the names of the stars nor does it urge us to know their names.

I haven't forced anything into the Scripture but made reasonable conclusions.

Yes, you have. See above.

Add to that Psalm 19 in which David is talking about the heavens and the speech and knowledge that we God's faithful can look to to make sure that the Gospel of God written on papyrus is correct.

Psalm 19:1
1 The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky above proclaims his handiwork.

Where in this verse is the idea that we are to understand the Gospel from the names of the stars? Nowhere.

Likje a canvas God wrote His message in the stars that cannot be touched and mutilated by man maybe with His finger, the same finger He may have used in writing His commandments in stone.

This is all just fanciful conjecture, I'm afraid. See above.

 

[gordon777]

Yes, He has. And that knowledge is with us today.

James means "supplanter"
Harry means "estate ruler"
Barbara means "foreign woman"
Shelly means "clearing on a bank"
Bob/Robert means "bright fame"
Cameron means "crooked nose"

Being that your confusion of mixing male and female names together I can make a sentence out of your names:
"A "foreign woman" with a "crooked nose" is of "bright fame" because she is an "estate ruler" whose property is near a "clearing on a bank" who got her possessions by being a "supplanter."

That knowledge edifies nobody, there is life only in one name.

See the edification below, there are gods many, many names, but they are not the one we seek for edification..charity/the love of Christ.


1 Corinthians 8:1 Now as touching things offered unto idols, we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth.


1 Corinthians 8:4 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.
5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

There you go. Subject, verb, object, a prepositional phrase with some adverbs and adjectives.

After the flood the knowledge of God's star-bible was lost. But it's come back and it's not unreasonable to conclude that God named the stars, names have meaning (just like Greek words and Hebrew words) and God placed His Gospel of His Redeemer in the stars. Nothing wrong with that.
Now, I've just given you the exegetical from Psalms 147. I haven't forced anything into the Scripture but made reasonable conclusions. Add to that Psalm 19 in which David is talking about the heavens and the speech and knowledge that we God's faithful can look to to make sure that the Gospel of God written on papyrus is correct.
God created the heaven and everything in it. Likje a canvas God wrote His message in the stars that cannot be touched and mutilated by man maybe with His finger, the same finger He may have used in writing His commandments in stone.
The bible, whether in the heaven or on paper is for believers, not unbelievers.
By the way, when Christ returns we are ALL going to see the actual Noah's Ark.

The old world was lost after the flood, condemned, so we are saved by only one thing, the rising resurrection of Jesus Christ, that again is edification, as told below..



Hebrews 11:7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.

1 Peter 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

2 Peter 2:5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

 

[gordon777]

Now, I've just given you the exegetical from Psalms 147. I haven't forced anything into the Scripture but made reasonable conclusions. Add to that Psalm 19 in which David is talking about the heavens and the speech and knowledge that we God's faithful can look to to make sure that the Gospel of God written on papyrus is correct.
God created the heaven and everything in it. Likje a canvas God wrote His message in the stars that cannot be touched and mutilated by man maybe with His finger, the same finger He may have used in writing His commandments in stone.
The bible, whether in the heaven or on paper is for believers, not unbelievers.
By the way, when Christ returns we are ALL going to see the actual Noah's Ark.

Psalm 19, Psalm 147, they have the same conclusion in both of them, what pleases the Lord, it is not for man to look to the stars, but to trust it is God that created them all, that is the language of the whole world, that God created it all, in the book of Job, we hear about that speech.

The fear of the Lord is he greatest thing to be desired, and by this we re warned, and in keeping of what God ells us on earth, we have reward.


Psalm 147:10 He delighteth not in the strength of the horse: he taketh not pleasure in the legs of a man.
11 The Lord taketh pleasure in them that fear him, in those that hope in his mercy.

Psalm 19:9 The fear of the Lord is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.
10 More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.
11 Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward.



Do the ones talking on this topic know where wisdom comes from, seeing it is hidden from all living ?

The stars cant know where it is, as Destruction and death say, We have heard the fame thereof with our ears. ( they are unaware also.)



Job 28:12 But where shall wisdom be found? and where is the place of understanding?
13 Man knoweth not the price thereof; neither is it found in the land of the living.
14 The depth saith, It is not in me: and the sea saith, It is not with me.
15 It cannot be gotten for gold, neither shall silver be weighed for the price thereof.
16 It cannot be valued with the gold of Ophir, with the precious onyx, or the sapphire.
17 The gold and the crystal cannot equal it: and the exchange of it shall not be for jewels of fine gold.
18 No mention shall be made of coral, or of pearls: for the price of wisdom is above rubies.
19 The topaz of Ethiopia shall not equal it, neither shall it be valued with pure gold.

Job 28:20 Whence then cometh wisdom? and where is the place of understanding?
21 Seeing it is hid from the eyes of all living, and kept close from the fowls of the air.
22 Destruction and death say, We have heard the fame thereof with our ears.
23 God understandeth the way thereof, and he knoweth the place thereof.
24 For he looketh to the ends of the earth, and seeth under the whole heaven;
25 To make the weight for the winds; and he weigheth the waters by measure.
26 When he made a decree for the rain, and a way for the lightning of the thunder:


Job 28:27 Then did he see it, and declare it; he prepared it, yea, and searched it out.
28 And unto man he said, BEHOLD, THE FEAR OF THE LORD, THAT IS WISDOM, AND TO DEPART FROM EVIL IS UNDERSTANDING.

 

[gordon777]

I'm pretty sure you know that this is an example of what is called "specious reasoning." It's the kind of thing children do in argument with each other. Yes, you can string together the root meanings of a list of names, adding words and ordering them as it suits you to do until you form a sentence. But in doing this you have imposed meaning upon the list, not simply taken the list as it is, largely meaningless though it may be as a list. You've imposed your own order on the names, arranging them in a way that suits you; into the list of words you've also added words that it never originally contained ("because," "property," "is of," etc.); and then, because you've been able to do this with a list of names, you appear to want to assert (without any reasonable justification) that it is entirely appropriate to do so. The names could have been ordered differently, however, and alternate verbs, adjectives and prepositions added so that the list of names ends up with a completely different meaning from the one you've imposed upon the list. It doesn't have an intrinsic meaning or message, which is why playing around with the list in the way you have is possible. Thus, the very contortions you've been able to make to the list demonstrate that it has no actual message of its own to convey.

Yes the convo has little meaning, little edification value.

 

[gordon777]

What do you mean "it's come back"?

God may have named the many billions of stars in the universe, but there is no list of their names He's given to us that I'm aware of.

It doesn't follow that, because the names God may have given to stars have meaning, therefore "His Gospel of His Redeemer" is expressed in their names. This a raw assumption you're making here that doesn't follow necessarily from your premise.

Great discussion you seem to have, you are discussing what may be, instead of what has been, which is the Cross of Christ the convo seems to want to avoid.

There is only one meaning, it is eternal life, this life is in HIs Son.


Is your convo not best suited on philosophy chat.



Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.


1 John 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.


1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

 

[gordon777]

No, you haven't. There are twenty verses in the Psalm and the only one to mention stars is verse 4. It says nothing about the Gospel being in the names of the stars; it says nothing about God intending to invest the names of stars with the Gospel message; the verse says nothing about God giving to humans a list of the names of the stars nor does it urge us to know their names.

Yes I just concluded what those Psalm chapters were about, linked with Job, no need to tell how many verses there are, it is better the details of Gods edification in them.

 

[gordon777]

Psalm 19:1 1 The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky above proclaims his handiwork.

Where in this verse is the idea that we are to understand the Gospel from the names of the stars? Nowhere.



This is all just fanciful conjecture, I'm afraid. See above.

This is as follows unfortunately..


1 Timothy 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

 

[gordon777]

Now, do continue your disputes, if you like

 

[jeremiah1five]

Psalm 19, Psalm 147, they have the same conclusion in both of them, what pleases the Lord, it is not for man to look to the stars, but to trust it is God that created them all, that is the language of the whole world, that God created it all, in the book of Job, we hear about that speech.
The fear of the Lord is he greatest thing to be desired, and by this we re warned, and in keeping of what God ells us on earth, we have reward.
Psalm 147:10 He delighteth not in the strength of the horse: he taketh not pleasure in the legs of a man.
11 The Lord taketh pleasure in them that fear him, in those that hope in his mercy.
Psalm 19:9 The fear of the Lord is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.
10 More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.
11 Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward.
Do the ones talking on this topic know where wisdom comes from, seeing it is hidden from all living ?
The stars cant know where it is, as Destruction and death say, We have heard the fame thereof with our ears. ( they are unaware also.)
Job 28:12 But where shall wisdom be found? and where is the place of understanding?
13 Man knoweth not the price thereof; neither is it found in the land of the living.
14 The depth saith, It is not in me: and the sea saith, It is not with me.
15 It cannot be gotten for gold, neither shall silver be weighed for the price thereof.
16 It cannot be valued with the gold of Ophir, with the precious onyx, or the sapphire.
17 The gold and the crystal cannot equal it: and the exchange of it shall not be for jewels of fine gold.
18 No mention shall be made of coral, or of pearls: for the price of wisdom is above rubies.
19 The topaz of Ethiopia shall not equal it, neither shall it be valued with pure gold.
Job 28:20 Whence then cometh wisdom? and where is the place of understanding?
21 Seeing it is hid from the eyes of all living, and kept close from the fowls of the air.
22 Destruction and death say, We have heard the fame thereof with our ears.
23 God understandeth the way thereof, and he knoweth the place thereof.
24 For he looketh to the ends of the earth, and seeth under the whole heaven;
25 To make the weight for the winds; and he weigheth the waters by measure.
26 When he made a decree for the rain, and a way for the lightning of the thunder:
Job 28:27 Then did he see it, and declare it; he prepared it, yea, and searched it out.
28 And unto man he said, BEHOLD, THE FEAR OF THE LORD, THAT IS WISDOM, AND TO DEPART FROM EVIL IS UNDERSTANDING.

1 The heavens declare the glory of God;
And the firmament sheweth his handywork.
2 Day unto day uttereth speech,
And night unto night sheweth knowledge.
3 There is no speech nor language,
Where their voice is not heard.
4 Their line is gone out through all the earth,
And their words to the end of the world.
In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,
5 Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber,
And rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.
6 His going forth is from the end of the heaven,
And his circuit unto the ends of it:
And there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.
7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul:
Ps 19:1–7.

The mere sight of the heavens (day or night) does not show only that there is a God that created them, but there is more to consider. The heavens speak. It is the Word of God concerning the Prophecies of the Son of God who is to come, the Promised Messiah and King, Savior and Lord.

4 He telleth [counted] the number of the stars;
He calleth them all by their names.
Ps 147:4.

Adam may have named the animals, but God named the stars.
Each and every star having a name assigned to it from God.
Names have meaning. A group of stars is a sentence.

There are 88 known constellations on record today.
Here are a few. See if there is meaning that compliments the Messiah of God, the Living Christ and the prophecies concerning Him:

Cephus the King.
Draco the dragon.
Leo the Lion.
Volans the flying fish.
Scutum the shield.
Fornax the furnace.
Horologium the pendulum clock.
Pyxis the compass.
Ara the altar.
Aries the ram.
Bootes the herdsman.
Canes Venatici the hunting dogs.
Capricornus the sea goat.
Cassiopeia the queen.
Centaurus the centaur.
Columba the dove.
Corona Australis the southern crown.
Corona Borealis the northern crown.
Corvus the crow.
Crater the cup.
Crux the southern cross.
Equuleus the little horse (foal).
Eridanus the river.
Gemini the twins.
Libra the scales.
Lupus the wolf.
Pisces the fish.
Scorpius the scorpion.
Triangulum the triangle.
Virgo the maiden.

And there's more.
Some of these names are modern names given to these constellations. The ancient Chinese also had names for these constellations.
But the ones that we need to know are the names that were in use in Mesopotamia a long, long time ago.

Since Adam and the woman (Eve) didn't have written language God instead used graphics, picture-words in the heavens that reveal the prophecies of God's Mighty Redeemer. These picture-words were known to the first several generations from Adam. In the epistle of Jude, Enoch was able to prophesy the Second Coming of the Lord even before the first coming. This was in the star-pictures God taught His Adamic Covenant people. But this knowledge became lost after the flood.

Now let me take you to Genesis:

1 And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.
2 And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there.
3 And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them throughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter.
4 And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top [may reach] unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth. Gen. 11:1-4

The words in italics within the brackets in verse 4 are there to let the reader know these words were added by the King James translators. They are there for sentence structure or what's called syntax, the ordering of words to make the sentence more understandable.
I believe the building of this tower was not meant to reach into the heavens, but whose top [or ceiling] was a corrupt version of the heavenly prophecies God placed in the sky. But this ceiling wasn't to honor the prophecies of God's Redeemer, but to honor Nimrod. It was the beginning of astrology.
This star-ceiling at the top of this tower or ziggurat were an arrangement of stars that tell the tale of men and women and prophecies concerning their lives on earth instead of true star-bible prophecies of God's Redeemer: the Christ/Messiah.
Astrology is about YOU. Astronomy rightly divided is about HIM.

31 Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades,
Or loose the bands of Orion?
32 Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth [zodiac] in his season?
Or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons?
33 Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven?
Job 38:31–33.

11 And after three months we departed in a ship of Alexandria, which had wintered in the isle, whose sign was Castor and Pollux [Gemini twins]. Acts 28:11.

The Gospel of God in the Stars.

God wants us to trust His Word whether spoken, written, or placed in the configurations of the stars that declare His infinite wisdom.
If you don't want to accept this word, then that's fine. I do.
And having studied astronomy it is significant to me and I find great comfort in this knowledge that for early man who could not read nor write a picture bible was perfect in describing the prophecies of God's Redeemer in the stars.
Oh, ye of little faith.

 

[jeremiah1five]

I'm assuming you mean the names of only a very few stars since they number in the many billions in the universe. Where exactly is this list of star names from God?

As Paul said, "God knoweth."

I'm pretty sure you know that this is an example of what is called "specious reasoning." It's the kind of thing children do in argument with each other. Yes, you can string together the root meanings of a list of names, adding words and ordering them as it suits you to do until you form a sentence. But in doing this you have imposed meaning upon the list, not simply taken the list as it is, largely meaningless though it may be as a list. You've imposed your own order on the names, arranging them in a way that suits you; into the list of words you've also added words that it never originally contained ("because," "property," "is of," etc.); and then, because you've been able to do this with a list of names, you appear to want to assert (without any reasonable justification) that it is entirely appropriate to do so. The names could have been ordered differently, however, and alternate verbs, adjectives and prepositions added so that the list of names ends up with a completely different meaning from the one you've imposed upon the list. It doesn't have an intrinsic meaning or message, which is why playing around with the list in the way you have is possible. Thus, the very contortions you've been able to make to the list demonstrate that it has no actual message of its own to convey.

It was your list and you challenged me to find a sentence and I did. But what's more important is not a foreign woman with a crooked nose but God's Redeemer who can make that which is crooked straight.
God's heavenly message is way, way more important than your list and the sentence I provided.

??? You've offered nothing in concrete substantiation of this claim...

If you want to reject the knowledge Psalms 19 and 147 and the other Scriptures provide that's OK with me. I see the Word of God in the stars and that makes me praise God for His infinite wisdom in what He's done in providing His message to His people.

What do you mean "it's come back"?
God may have named the many billions of stars in the universe, but there is no list of their names He's given to us that I'm aware of.

The star configurations are ancient. Virgo the Virgin and Cepheus the King were shining down on man thousands of years before you and I were born. If you think the Southers cross or Northern cross mean nothing to you then it can mean nothing to you now. But when I look up at night in the correct season and see the cross I think about what my Savior did for me and the grace of God to provide His message to me in the stars. Night unto night sheweth knowledge. I for one am listening.

It doesn't follow that, because the names God may have given to stars have meaning, therefore "His Gospel of His Redeemer" is expressed in their names. This a raw assumption you're making here that doesn't follow necessarily from your premise.

It does. You just refuse to accept God's wisdom to do this thing for us.

No, you haven't. There are twenty verses in the Psalm and the only one to mention stars is verse 4. It says nothing about the Gospel being in the names of the stars; it says nothing about God intending to invest the names of stars with the Gospel message; the verse says nothing about God giving to humans a list of the names of the stars nor does it urge us to know their names.

Oral tradition. The Gospel in the Stars was because men could read or write.

Yes, you have. See above.
Psalm 19:1
1 The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky above proclaims his handiwork.
Where in this verse is the idea that we are to understand the Gospel from the names of the stars? Nowhere.
This is all just fanciful conjecture, I'm afraid. See above.

Keep reading. There's more beyond verse one of David talking about the heaven showing knowledge and giving forth speech that no matter where you are on the planet their voice is heard. How magnificent is that!
Hallelu-JAH!

 

[jeremiah1five]

This is as follows unfortunately..


1 Timothy 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

I am talking about the words of Jesus Christ who put His words in the stars for ignorant mentally challenged men who can't read or write or trust.

 

[Tenchi]

As Paul said, "God knoweth."

Which is to say, it appears, that you don't have a list of the billions of stars in the universe and no one else does, either. That's what I thought. And so, your entire theory of some divine message in the names of the stars collapses. Without God's list of names of the stars, you can't construct a message from them, can you.

It was your list and you challenged me to find a sentence and I did.

No, I didn't challenge you to "find a sentence" in the list of names I made up; I offered that list of names as an example of how it differs, as a list, from a basic sentence. You took it upon yourself to form a sentence from the list, but in doing so demonstrated that being able to shove your own message into such a list highlights that it doesn't have a message of its own to communicate - just like a list of the names of stars.

God's heavenly message is way, way more important than your list and the sentence I provided.

Did someone say my list of names was more important than "God's heavenly message"? I didn't. I would say, though, that His message is given to us, not in the stars, but in His word, the Bible. (2 Timothy 3:16-17)

If you want to reject the knowledge Psalms 19 and 147 and the other Scriptures provide that's OK with me.

But I don't reject the knowledge given in Psalms 19 and 147. What I reject is your fantasy about what they mean. These are two different things.

I see the Word of God in the stars and that makes me praise God for His infinite wisdom in what He's done in providing His message to His people.

There is no such star message. You've simply made up the idea that there is. And so, you're praising God for a fiction of your own making. I doubt He's pleased.

The star configurations are ancient. Virgo the Virgin and Cepheus the King were shining down on man thousands of years before you and I were born. If you think the Southers cross or Northern cross mean nothing to you then it can mean nothing to you now. But when I look up at night in the correct season and see the cross I think about what my Savior did for me and the grace of God to provide His message to me in the stars. Night unto night sheweth knowledge. I for one am listening.

Hey, if you want imagine star messages in the night sky, knock yourself out. But don't expect others to join you in your imaginings. Certainly, don't insist that they ought to.

It does. You just refuse to accept God's wisdom to do this thing for us.

No, you've admitted that no star-list exists, and that no star-message exists, therefore, either. I've explained that the verses upon which you're trying to anchor your star-fiction don't say what you are trying to force them to say about the stars. I'm not, then, just refusing to accept God's wisdom. I love His wisdom. Your imagination, though, not so much...

Oral tradition. The Gospel in the Stars was because men could read or write.

This does nothing to rebut the point I made.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Which is to say, it appears, that you don't have a list of the billions of stars in the universe and no one else does, either. That's what I thought. And so, your entire theory of some divine message in the names of the stars collapses. Without God's list of names of the stars, you can't construct a message from them, can you.

God wouldn't burden Adam and his immediate progenitors with such an obscene requirement.
Ther aren't billions of prophecies and God only concerned us with star constellations visible to the naked eye.

No, I didn't challenge you to "find a sentence" in the list of names I made up; I offered that list of names as an example of how it differs, as a list, from a basic sentence. You took it upon yourself to form a sentence from the list, but in doing so demonstrated that being able to shove your own message into such a list highlights that it doesn't have a message of its own to communicate - just like a list of the names of stars.

Well, you gave me names and names have meaning just as the names of the stars have meaning and a groug of stars are called constellation and that make a sentence.

Did someone say my list of names was more important than "God's heavenly message"? I didn't. I would say, though, that His message is given to us, not in the stars, but in His word, the Bible. (2 Timothy 3:16-17)

That's OK you don't believe. I do. And God has been gracious to me to impart this knowledge to me that began when I was 5 years old, and He gave me an interest in the stars and planets and the other objects in the heaven. And in all my learning it just made me praise and glorify God deeper than others who have no faith.

But I don't reject the knowledge given in Psalms 19 and 147. What I reject is your fantasy about what they mean. These are two different things.

That's fine.

There is no such star message. You've simply made up the idea that there is. And so, you're praising God for a fiction of your own making. I doubt He's pleased.

Frances Rolleston first studied the Scripture and God gave her understanding of the Gospel message in the stars. Then E. W. Bullinger studied this so it's not fantasy. It's real. Bullinger did an excellent work for the Church. And both these individuals have reputable integrity and sound doctrine.

Hey, if you want imagine star messages in the night sky, knock yourself out. But don't expect others to join you in your imaginings. Certainly, don't insist that they ought to.

Peter asked Jesus "and what will this disciple do?" (speaking of John.) Remember what Jesus said? In so many words He said, "It's none of your business" (what God does with His own servants. "YOU follow ME!"
So, keep YOUR eyes on God and not on man.

No, you've admitted that no star-list exists, and that no star-message exists, therefore, either. I've explained that the verses upon which you're trying to anchor your star-fiction don't say what you are trying to force them to say about the stars. I'm not, then, just refusing to accept God's wisdom. I love His wisdom. Your imagination, though, not so much...
This does nothing to rebut the point I made.

Psalm 19 for one reveal that the heaven has speech and knowledge. Not just that there's a heaven so there must be a Creator just as there's a watch so there must be a watchmaker.
I know enough about the Gospel of God in the stars and it is magnificent!

 

[Anaphora]

The witness of the stars is second witness to bible prophecy. Adam and eve had divine knowledge.
Isaiah chapter 19:19. The great pyramid of Egypt is one of God's Witnesses. This pyramid was built by shepherds, and divine Math.
All the other pyramids are decaying or fell apart. Thier is bible prophecy inside the great pyramid. Its measurements align with moses exodus of Egypt.
Jesus birth. And crucifixion. And Jesus 3 year ministry.
The Zodiac and great pyramid didn't happen by a Accident.
The Zodiac and great pyramid is second witness to Bible prophecy.
Zodiac. Pictures speak in all dialects. Those familiar with the laws of astronomy. Today its known as constellation .
The 12 constellation are Zodiac signs. A second witness to bible prophecy.
Let's look at constellation scorpio. It appears to be trying to strike the man who is struggling with a serpent.
Hebrew name of this constellation is AKRAB. Means the scorpion and conflict.
Psalm chapter 144 David thanks God for teaching his hands to war .
To the Sumerians, Scorpio was known as the perverse one or lawless one.
The scorpion is a deadly enemy in revelation chapter 9. LESHA in CHALDEE means perverse. This is conflict.
Second kings 11:1. The efforts of Athaliah to destroy the all the royal seed.
Exodus chapter 1. The attempt to destroy all the males of the seed of Abraham. Is this adding up??.
Why is satan desperate to destroy children of abraham ??.
Does this have anything to do with the Kenites and messiah??
How can you know the answer if someone won't study sound doctrine.
What happened in garden of eden??. Theirs no apple orchard. Adam and eve covered themselves with fig leaves.
What was the sin??. The serpent beguiled eve. Sexual relations. Eve had twins. Two different fathers.
Are we getting the picture?.
Cain is seed of satan. The kenites are offspring of Cain. These are satan's children.
How does Athaliah fit in ??.
She's the seed of kenites. Satan is after the seed of Abraham.
Can you understand this.
Jesus is off bloodline of Seth, that's Adams seed. All the way back to Adam and eve.
The scorpion, that's satan, didn't want Jesus born in the flesh and be crucified. Satan attempted to pollute the blood line. Or try to destroy seed of abraham.
This battle is not over. Revelation 12:17. Satan as antichrist will come 6th trump, and declare War on the saint's.
This is spirtual warfare. Those who are biblically illiterate will worship antichrist near future. Get the picture.
The scorpion attack is lies and deception. Ephesians chapter 6, its spirtual war. Its words, ideas and concepts.

 

[hawkman]

The serpent beguiled eve. Sexual relations. Eve had twins. Two different fathers.
Are we getting the picture?.
Cain is seed of satan.

NO ! Cain is not seed of satan ! In fact where are we told Cain came from ?

Because we are told this .
Genesis 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

 

[Tenchi]

God wouldn't burden Adam and his immediate progenitors with such an obscene requirement.
Ther aren't billions of prophecies and God only concerned us with star constellations visible to the naked eye.

In other words, you admit you don't have a full list, at least, of the names of the stars God has made. But you do think you have the names of some of the stars visible to a person looking at them from earth. So far, though, you've not demonstrated that the names humans use to refer to the various constellations and individual stars are from God, that they are the actual names He has given to the stars.

Well, you gave me names and names have meaning just as the names of the stars have meaning and a groug of stars are called constellation and that make a sentence.

But I never said that names didn't have meanings; I only pointed out that a list and a sentence are not the same thing.

Again, a list or group of names don't constitute a sentence with meaning. As you illustrated, you have to impose all sorts of things upon a list of names in order to make it say something meaningful. But when you do so, you are simply forcing your own meaning onto the list of names, making the list say what you think it ought to say. How doing this with the names of stars and constellations of stars equates to a "message from God" I have no idea. And, so far, you've offered nothing that indicates that whatever "message" you've imposed upon the names of stars is truly from Him.

That's OK you don't believe.

I've got no good reason to do so.

And God has been gracious to me to impart this knowledge to me that began when I was 5 years old, and He gave me an interest in the stars and planets and the other objects in the heaven.

No, I don't think He has; you've simply imagined that He has.

And in all my learning it just made me praise and glorify God deeper than others who have no faith.

It's...telling that you make this comparison, denigrating those who don't join you in your star-message fantasy. As far as I'm concerned, you've shown the human origin of your star-stuff, comparing yourself to others, making yourself superior to them. Such self-righteous pride is never of God. But it is very gnostic.

Frances Rolleston first studied the Scripture and God gave her understanding of the Gospel message in the stars. Then E. W. Bullinger studied this so it's not fantasy. It's real. Bullinger did an excellent work for the Church. And both these individuals have reputable integrity and sound doctrine.

Merely giving one's "understanding" of something by no means establishes that one's "understanding" is correct - even if it is published in a book. Many books have been written that have been utterly in error. And that someone else writes on the same subject doesn't automatically secure the veracity of one's claims. How many books on atheism have been written? Do you agree that they're all correct because they've been published by scholars and are numerous? I doubt it.

Correlation does not equal causation. Being able to draw some correlation between things does not prove they are related in any direct, or causal, way. Because Bob spilled his coffee three seconds before the phone rang doesn't mean there is a relationship between the two things. Though they are in close proximity to each other in time, Bob's accident with his coffee didn't make the phone ring. In fact, there is no real connection, no correlation, between them at all. Superstitious thinking, though, would link them together - like linking certain numbers, or names, or creatures in Scripture with the same things found in pagan astrology.

Beyond this, though, fishing about in the Bible for parallels to pagan astrology so that one can create a "message from God" seems very evidently to me to be both pointless and dangerous. If God thought it important for His children to ponder "star messages," He'd have made a clear, direct, and repeated point of saying so in His word, like He does with the subject of the Gospel, or of love, or holiness, or peace, or any of a great number of spiritual things. But there is nothing in Scripture about seeking out "star messages," not one explicit, biblical directive to search for such things, or any example of anyone in Scripture doing so. Why, then, are you fussing about Rolleston's book?

Peter asked Jesus "and what will this disciple do?" (speaking of John.) Remember what Jesus said? In so many words He said, "It's none of your business" (what God does with His own servants. "YOU follow ME!"
So, keep YOUR eyes on God and not on man.

When Paul, Peter and John encountered false teachers, people proposing false doctrines and ideas among those in the Church, they didn't "mind their own business." They pointed at them very directly and said, "Beware!" In any case, you made your star-message stuff my business when, in a public forum, you urged your readers (myself among them) to adopt your views on the "Gospel in the stars." If you want to make your star fiction none of my business, don't offer it to me (and others) on a public forum.

Psalm 19 for one reveal that the heaven has speech and knowledge.

The Psalms are often poetic, employing figurative language, as poems often do.

Psalm 19:1-5
1 The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky above proclaims his handiwork.

Does the Psalmist say in what way, exactly, "the heavens declare the glory of God"? No. Does the Psalmist indicate by what means the "sky proclaims God's handiwork"? Again, no. But we can be sure that figurative language is in use in the verse because we know the sky has no mind, no mouth, no vocal chords by which to "proclaim" anything.

2 Day to day pours out speech, and night to night reveals knowledge.
3 There is no speech, nor are there words, whose voice is not heard.

The passing days "pour out speech"? How does a period of sunlight that we call "day" do this? A day has no physical means of speaking, no larynx, or lips, tongue. Clearly, this is figurative language the Psalmist is using here.

4 Their voice goes out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them he has set a tent for the sun,

God has "set a tent for the sun"? Obviously, this is not intended literally. The sun has no need of a tent, nor, when it is examined through a good telescope, will one see a tent within which the sun resides.

5 which comes out like a bridegroom leaving his chamber, and, like a strong man, runs its course with joy.

Now it's really plain that poetic license is being used. The sun is not actually a "bridegroom leaving his chamber," running across the sky "like a strong man" enjoying exercise; it's a massive, burning ball of gas and fiery plasma around which the earth is regularly orbiting. So, then, when I read of the heaven's declaring the glory of God, or the sky proclaiming His handiwork, I recognize that this is not a literal description, but, rather, figurative, expressing the idea that what I can see in the beauty, complexity, power and majesty of the earth's atmosphere and in the awesome expanse of the observable universe around me is a "silent witness," a "testimony of Nature" to the existence of God - what Christian philosopher's call "natural theology."

Nothing in Psalms 19:1, however, obliges me to think that there is an occult (hidden), divine message in the stars about the redemptive work of Christ, or urges me to look for such a message. Verse 1 describes a very general reality, not a specific, secret message that awaits someone like Frances Rolleston to disentangle, through a complex series of presumed connections and parallels, from pagan astrology.

I know enough about the Gospel of God in the stars and it is magnificent!

Uh huh. See above. The really important stuff is spelled out to us plainly and repeatedly in God's word, not in convoluted parallels to pagan astrology.

 

[jeremiah1five]

In other words, you admit you don't have a full list, at least, of the names of the stars God has made. But you do think you have the names of some of the stars visible to a person looking at them from earth. So far, though, you've not demonstrated that the names humans use to refer to the various constellations and individual stars are from God, that they are the actual names He has given to the stars.



But I never said that names didn't have meanings; I only pointed out that a list and a sentence are not the same thing.

Again, a list or group of names don't constitute a sentence with meaning. As you illustrated, you have to impose all sorts of things upon a list of names in order to make it say something meaningful. But when you do so, you are simply forcing your own meaning onto the list of names, making the list say what you think it ought to say. How doing this with the names of stars and constellations of stars equates to a "message from God" I have no idea. And, so far, you've offered nothing that indicates that whatever "message" you've imposed upon the names of stars is truly from Him.



I've got no good reason to do so.



No, I don't think He has; you've simply imagined that He has.



It's...telling that you make this comparison, denigrating those who don't join you in your star-message fantasy. As far as I'm concerned, you've shown the human origin of your star-stuff, comparing yourself to others, making yourself superior to them. Such self-righteous pride is never of God. But it is very gnostic.



Merely giving one's "understanding" of something by no means establishes that one's "understanding" is correct - even if it is published in a book. Many books have been written that have been utterly in error. And that someone else writes on the same subject doesn't automatically secure the veracity of one's claims. How many books on atheism have been written? Do you agree that they're all correct because they've been published by scholars and are numerous? I doubt it.

Correlation does not equal causation. Being able to draw some correlation between things does not prove they are related in any direct, or causal, way. Because Bob spilled his coffee three seconds before the phone rang doesn't mean there is a relationship between the two things. Though they are in close proximity to each other in time, Bob's accident with his coffee didn't make the phone ring. In fact, there is no real connection, no correlation, between them at all. Superstitious thinking, though, would link them together - like linking certain numbers, or names, or creatures in Scripture with the same things found in pagan astrology.

Beyond this, though, fishing about in the Bible for parallels to pagan astrology so that one can create a "message from God" seems very evidently to me to be both pointless and dangerous. If God thought it important for His children to ponder "star messages," He'd have made a clear, direct, and repeated point of saying so in His word, like He does with the subject of the Gospel, or of love, or holiness, or peace, or any of a great number of spiritual things. But there is nothing in Scripture about seeking out "star messages," not one explicit, biblical directive to search for such things, or any example of anyone in Scripture doing so. Why, then, are you fussing about Rolleston's book?



When Paul, Peter and John encountered false teachers, people proposing false doctrines and ideas among those in the Church, they didn't "mind their own business." They pointed at them very directly and said, "Beware!" In any case, you made your star-message stuff my business when, in a public forum, you urged your readers (myself among them) to adopt your views on the "Gospel in the stars." If you want to make your star fiction none of my business, don't offer it to me (and others) on a public forum.



The Psalms are often poetic, employing figurative language, as poems often do.

Psalm 19:1-5
1 The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky above proclaims his handiwork.

Does the Psalmist say in what way, exactly, "the heavens declare the glory of God"? No. Does the Psalmist indicate by what means the "sky proclaims God's handiwork"? Again, no. But we can be sure that figurative language is in use in the verse because we know the sky has no mind, no mouth, no vocal chords by which to "proclaim" anything.

2 Day to day pours out speech, and night to night reveals knowledge.
3 There is no speech, nor are there words, whose voice is not heard.

The passing days "pour out speech"? How does a period of sunlight that we call "day" do this? A day has no physical means of speaking, no larynx, or lips, tongue. Clearly, this is figurative language the Psalmist is using here.

4 Their voice goes out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them he has set a tent for the sun,

God has "set a tent for the sun"? Obviously, this is not intended literally. The sun has no need of a tent, nor, when it is examined through a good telescope, will one see a tent within which the sun resides.

5 which comes out like a bridegroom leaving his chamber, and, like a strong man, runs its course with joy.

Now it's really plain that poetic license is being used. The sun is not actually a "bridegroom leaving his chamber," running across the sky "like a strong man" enjoying exercise; it's a massive, burning ball of gas and fiery plasma around which the earth is regularly orbiting. So, then, when I read of the heaven's declaring the glory of God, or the sky proclaiming His handiwork, I recognize that this is not a literal description, but, rather, figurative, expressing the idea that what I can see in the beauty, complexity, power and majesty of the earth's atmosphere and in the awesome expanse of the observable universe around me is a "silent witness," a "testimony of Nature" to the existence of God - what Christian philosopher's call "natural theology."

Nothing in Psalms 19:1, however, obliges me to think that there is an occult (hidden), divine message in the stars about the redemptive work of Christ, or urges me to look for such a message. Verse 1 describes a very general reality, not a specific, secret message that awaits someone like Frances Rolleston to disentangle, through a complex series of presumed connections and parallels, from pagan astrology.



Uh huh. See above. The really important stuff is spelled out to us plainly and repeatedly in God's word, not in convoluted parallels to pagan astrology.

As I said you can refuse to believe the significance of the heavenly message of God in the stars and that's OK with me.

 

[Anaphora]

NO ! Cain is not seed of satan ! In fact where are we told Cain came from ?

Because we are told this .
Genesis 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

I'm not going to debate or strive over this. The serpent, who is satan, beguiled eve. They had sexual intercourse. Adam then knew his wife. Two different fathers.
Genesis 3:3. Neither shall ye touch it.
Genesis 3:6. Pleasant to the eyes.
Touch is physical contact. And pleasant to the eyes is Lust.
NAGA in Hebrew means = to Touch. It's a verb. Eve had sexual intercourse with satan. And then with Adam.
Cain and abel were twins. Two different fathers.
3:13. The serpent beguiled me. Again, NAGA in Hebrew means = to touch.
Second Corinthians 11:3. As the serpent beguiled Eve through his SUBTILTY.
John chapter 8:44. Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him.
The Murderer from the beginning is Cain !. Jesus is dressing down the Kenites who are religious leaders. I documented Cain is seed of satan and his children are the kenites.
Who will you believe, Jesus or false brethren.??
Satan will send false brethren to try to contaminate God's truth. False brethren don't have holy spirit.
Documentation of the Kenites.
Genesis chapter 15:19. Kenites

Numbers chapter 10:29. Kenites
First samuel 30:29. Kenites
Judges 1:16. Kenites
First chronicles chapter 2:55 Kenites
Titus chapter 3:9. But avoid foolish questions, and genealogy, and contentions, and striving about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
3:10. A man that is a heretick, after the first and second admonition reject.
3:11. Knowing that he is such is subverted, and sins, being self condemned of himself.
If you won't accept sound doctrine, the truth, I will have nothing more to do with you. As Gods Elect, I have to admonish you.
You will answer to Jesus on judgement day. Your defiance will be your downfall.
Second Corinthians chapter 5:10. For we must all appear before judgement seat of Christ;
5:11. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men ;
False brethren are on Jesus hit list. Accept the correction, and repent, and do your homework !. As Teacher of God's word, your accountable for what you say and do.
I will not reply back.

 

[jeremiah1five]

I'm not going to debate or strive over this. The serpent, who is satan, beguiled eve. They had sexual intercourse. Adam then knew his wife. Two different fathers.
Genesis 3:3. Neither shall ye touch it.
Genesis 3:6. Pleasant to the eyes.
Touch is physical contact. And pleasant to the eyes is Lust.
NAGA in Hebrew means = to Touch. It's a verb. Eve had sexual intercourse with satan. And then with Adam.
Cain and abel were twins. Two different fathers.

Hello Anaphora.
First, this Scripture says the angels are locked up:

4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 2 Pe 2:4.

No parole, no probation, no visiting hours.

Second, if you're going to get Satan out on work furlough there's one thing to consider: Angels are spirit beings. They have no body.
Third, they are a fixed number of angels and there is no need for God to created these spirit being with genitals since they cannot procreate for there are no female angels.
Fourth, when God created the man and woman He ordained that they have offspring "after their kind" and angels are not of their kind. Human males mate with human females and have children "after their kind." And this is unchangeable since God ordained this in the species, all species actually.
Fifth, whether serpent or angel their DNA does not match, and it is impossible for such a thing to happen. It makes no sense to the mind that such a thing can happen.
Sixth, It is biologically impossible for a woman to be impregnated twice by different fathers and have twins. I happen to believe that Cain and Abel were indeed twins but from the same father at the same time and that father is Adam.
Seventh, the serpent is of a different species than human, reptilian actually, and these cannot mate for that reason.
No, I believe the serpent is the "worm that dieth not" and the conversation the woman had was with herself as she debated the question of whether to eat from the tree or not.
Eighth, the Hebrew word "serpent" means "snake" from its "hiss." It doesn't mean penis if that's what you were thinking. It means "snake."

3:13. The serpent beguiled me. Again, NAGA in Hebrew means = to touch.
Second Corinthians 11:3. As the serpent beguiled Eve through his SUBTILTY.
John chapter 8:44. Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him.

If you're going to alert us that "touch" is a verb then I want to alert you that "devil" in John 8:44 is an adjective and it means "traducer." A synonym for that word would be "false accuser" or "one that impugns the character of another." Or just plain "liar."

The Murderer from the beginning is Cain !. Jesus is dressing down the Kenites who are religious leaders. I documented Cain is seed of satan and his children are the kenites.
Who will you believe, Jesus or false brethren.??
Satan will send false brethren to try to contaminate God's truth. False brethren don't have holy spirit.
Documentation of the Kenites.
Genesis chapter 15:19. Kenites

Numbers chapter 10:29. Kenites
First samuel 30:29. Kenites
Judges 1:16. Kenites
First chronicles chapter 2:55 Kenites
Titus chapter 3:9. But avoid foolish questions, and genealogy, and contentions, and striving about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
3:10. A man that is a heretick, after the first and second admonition reject.
3:11. Knowing that he is such is subverted, and sins, being self condemned of himself.
If you won't accept sound doctrine, the truth, I will have nothing more to do with you. As Gods Elect, I have to admonish you.
You will answer to Jesus on judgement day. Your defiance will be your downfall.
Second Corinthians chapter 5:10. For we must all appear before judgement seat of Christ;
5:11. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men ;
False brethren are on Jesus hit list. Accept the correction, and repent, and do your homework !. As Teacher of God's word, your accountable for what you say and do.
I will not reply back.

I find your interpretation to be simply out of this world. Maybe on Star Trek Klingons and humans can have children but that is all fantasy and in God's creation spirit beings cannot mate with human women. They are incompatible, and besides, all the angels that sinned are locked up by God in chains of darkness awaiting their judgment.