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The Gun Thread

Edward said:
I hate all these new commercials they broadcast now, if you have a gun lock it up so the children won't get hurt...how about, teach and train the children in the safe handling and operation of them instead? There's no safety in ignorance. The kids have to know how to react, when their friend pulls out his dad's 9mm.
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When I was a kid my dad's firearms were all on a wall rack with the ammunition on a shelf right below the rack, something similar to the attached figure. There was no lock on the ammunition and I don't even recall there being a door on the ammunition cabinet. With seven children, 3 boys and 4 girls, there was never even one incident of one of us even considering taking one of those guns off the rack to look at it or do anything else with it. This was not just in our home. Just about every home in town had a similar wall rack and I can honestly say there was never an incident involving a gun much less a shooting in town.
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I think society has disintegrated to the point that we need to get rid of guns. People in the younger generations aren't growing up the same way, under the same socio-economic-political-cultural conditions, and bad things are happening, a lot. More than in years past. Violent crime overall is down (I think a lot of that is an aging population), but these gun massacres and such are generally not so much mental illness in action as they are social disintegration and anomie in action.

Back when families were closer and communities actually had strong ties, churches held sway over their congregants, etc., more people could be trusted with guns, and at younger ages. Its different now. The whole world has changed, and gun laws need to change with it.
 
Christ_empowered said:
I think society has disintegrated to the point that we need to get rid of guns. People in the younger generations aren't growing up the same way, under the same socio-economic-political-cultural conditions, and bad things are happening, a lot.
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It would be interesting to see how these things relate as a percentage to population or population density. For example, when I was a kid it was the 1970's. US population in 1975 ~216M. US population in 2016 ~324M. I wonder how many more of "these things" occurred in 2016 compared to 1975?
 
I live in the south, and guns do kills people. I hear that back in the day people didn't do drugs and leave guns lying around the house as often, school shootings didn't happen as often, and the suicide rate (men often use guns) was lower across the board.

Society has changed. I think gun laws need to be revamped.
 
We hear about things more quickly and I believe with less bias than we did in the 1970's. Today, media is not nearly as impartial in my opinion. They post partial truths just to be the first to break the story and if they're wrong who cares? That's just my opinion of course.
 
Christ_empowered said:
but if so many more people are on hard drugs, should we really have guns floating around?
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I could say the same for
automobiles, druggies shouldn't drive;;
kitchen knives, druggies shouldn't own knives.
tall buildings, druggies shouldn't be able to go up high into buildings they may jump
Trees, druggies shouldn't be in tall trees
mountains, druggies can fall off a tall mountain
oceans, lake, rivers druggies could drown.
we can get rid every thing, it is not the gun it is the person.
 
WIP said:
We hear about things more quickly and I believe with less bias than we did in the 1970's. Today, media is not nearly as impartial in my opinion. They post partial truths just to be the first to break the story and if they're wrong who cares? That's just my opinion of course.
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gun fights weren't unusual in los angeles in that time frame. I know someone who spoke of this a few weeks ago, also knife fights.
 
WIP said:
When I was a kid my dad's firearms were all on a wall rack with the ammunition on a shelf right below the rack, something similar to the attached figure. There was no lock on the ammunition and I don't even recall there being a door on the ammunition cabinet. With seven children, 3 boys and 4 girls, there was never even one incident of one of us even considering taking one of those guns off the rack to look at it or do anything else with it. This was not just in our home. Just about every home in town had a similar wall rack and I can honestly say there was never an incident involving a gun much less a shooting in town.
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We had a couple of those. Geez my older brother made one in wood shop.

Even my kids, I started teaching them about guns and they were shooting at a preschool age. By age 10 I trusted them with loaded handguns in their bedroom! Nothing ever happened.

You see, ya can't childproof a gun, so you have to gunproof the child.
 
The way that I gunproof my kids was, I made them a deal. They could see any gun, at any time..if they asked first. Plus, they had to be able to recite the four rules of gun safety, which are;
1. All guns are always considered loaded.
2. Don't let the muzzle cover anything that you're not willing to destroy.
3. Keep your finger off the trigger until the sights are on the target.
4. Be sure of your target, and what is beyond it.

For some strange reason that I still can't figure out, (lol), they always wanted to see guns at bedtime.

I can't count how many times that I put the card game with friends on hold, to go show the kids a gun. They were doin what kids do, try'na stay up later...but I wanted to keep my word so bit my tongue and did it.

I'd always go through a big dramatic, let's make sure there's no bullets in it spiel, and check it, reiterating what and why etc.,

To demonstrate the guns destructive power, I'd let them shoot shaken up cans of soda pop. Then get the split can and give it to them with the admonition, fix it-make it better...This is real, this isn't tv! This is what would happen to mommy or your brother if you shot them, So Don't!! And stuff like that.

It worked. Praise the Lord. My kids are punks now, but not punks with guns.
 
KevinK said:
Wow...what actual caliber is that thing?
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SSK Industries has introduced the .950 JDJ, thelargest-caliber rifle ever built. According to the gun company, the rifle's astonishing .950 caliber bullet boasts 2400 grains and is propelled by 240 grains of powder. In comparison, a typical sniper rifle is usually just 200 grain.
 
I don't think that I'd like to shoot that thing. It doesn't seem like it'd be fun. A 2400 grain bullet weighs more than 1/4 LB (7000 grains per pound). In comparison, a .50 BMG Ball round is only 647 grains, and it's reputation is that nothing stops it.

I used to want to be able to shoot a .50 BMG one day...I figured that eventually I'd run into someone at the range one day, that would let me shoot theirs. It happened. This guy who had a 50 cal Barret rifle (A bolt-action one) at the range, was...a big man. Ok, I'll say it, he was fat. Obese fat, huge! He'd sit on one of those little steel folding chairs and shoot it off the bench. The recoil when he fired it, would set him and the chair back about two feet. No kidding. He offered for me to shoot it a couple times, and I turned him down! lol. I'm a skinny little guy and have no need for unwanted bodily punishment.

Shooting guns is supposed to be fun, and since I have no egotistical needs to prove myself, I opted not to shoot it after watching him shoot it a few times. I'd shoot one of Barret's gas operated 50 cal's (Mdl 82). That soaks up some of the recoil just cycling the gun.

But that monstrosity? A 95 caliber bolt action rifle which slings around 300% more bullet than the big 50 BMG does?!!! No way. No how.

 
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