I said this:
"Scripture disagrees. Rev 21:8 - But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”
The second death is clearly a place; also called the lake of fire."
Then John says "this is the second death". What does "this" refer to? What he had just said: the fiery lake of burning sulfur.
Maybe you're suggesting that the "fiery lake of burning sulphur" is a different place or thing than the "lake of fire". Is that so?
"Scripture disagrees. Rev 21:8 - But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”
The second death is clearly a place; also called the lake of fire."
The phrase "they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur" is clearly a PLACE. No argument about that.I separated this out because it deserves it’s own discussion.
Scripture doesn’t say that the 2nd death is a “place”. You have, without any evidence or reasoning for this view.
Then John says "this is the second death". What does "this" refer to? What he had just said: the fiery lake of burning sulfur.
Maybe you're suggesting that the "fiery lake of burning sulphur" is a different place or thing than the "lake of fire". Is that so?
The first death is physical separation of soul from body. The second death is permanent (eternal) separation of soul from God. Which occurs IN the lake of fire, which is a PLACE.Is the first “death” a “place” on your view? Or is Hades/Sheol the place where the dead go into?
Maybe we're just arguing semantics. Eternal separation from God occurs in the lake of fire. I see that as synonymous.Here’s my reasons for why “the second death” is not a place but rather a thing (a noun describing the result of an action) and I’ll await any contrary evidence you present. Who knows, you could be right and I could be wrong. Or vice-versa.:
1. They are consigned “in” to the place called here The Lake of Fire and brimstone (which seems obvious enough a vision of Hell/Gehenna not to mention S&G) with the result or the interpretation of that consignment being their death, the 2nd (body and soul this time). Their second death IS the consequence of their consignment there, “in” the place visioned by John as The Lake of Fire. As the 1st death consigns the lost to Hades, the 2nd death consigns the lost to the Lake of Fire. (Which is more fearful, less bearable
(I am speaking in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh.) For just as you presented your members as slaves to immorality and lawlessness, leading to lawlessness, ... For the end of those things is death. For the compensation due sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.Romans 6:19,21,23 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Romans 6:19,21,23&version=LEB
Death is a compensation (a thing) not a place. All throughout the Bible. Nowhere is “death” a place.
Except it's a FIERY LAKE. How is that different from the lake of fire?“Which is” in Rev 21:8 relates “death” to burning fire and sulfur, not the lake (the place) via matching genders/grammar.