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Depending upon the Holy Spirit for all you do?
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The Law of God. OT. Applicable Today?
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Stan1953
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Sorry, but I disagree. We as believers, when we die and the ones that have died, go to Paradise. Heaven is for God.
As I pointed out about, the New Jerusalem will come down on the New earth, which will happen AFTER the 1000 year reign of Christ and the great judgement as shown in Rev 20.
New Jerusalem.
Are you willing to discuss what the scriptures say about this topic?
Start a new Thread.
Titled: Where does the Church live after the Resurrection: Heaven or Earth?
Please invite Edward and Chopper
Edward
2024 Supporter
I think Stan may be right JLB. There's a scripture...and I saw a new heaven and a new earth...
We will undoubtedly be on this earth for Jesus's 1000 year reign, but then will live somewhere else. This earth passes away.
Go ahead brother Stan, start the new thread about this. Sounds interesting. I'm there!
Blessings to all...
We will undoubtedly be on this earth for Jesus's 1000 year reign, but then will live somewhere else. This earth passes away.
Go ahead brother Stan, start the new thread about this. Sounds interesting. I'm there!
Blessings to all...
Jethro Bodine
Member
Which will then, interestingly enough, satisfy the requirements of the law, not destroy them.
When we walk in the Spirit no debt of law remains outstanding, except the continuing debt to love others.
Jethro Bodine
Member
Yes, the way we fulfill the intent and purpose, and goal of the law is what is different between the covenants. The new way in which we fulfill the law is by having faith in the forgiveness of God through Christ. When we have, and walk in our faith in Christ we leave no debt of law unsatisfied--except, as Paul says, the continuing debt and obligation of law to love others which continues forever.
I'm of the opinion that the oil in the lamp is the Holy Spirit, although it's clear that truth is embodied in that Holy Spirit. Those who do not have the oil of the Holy Spirit do not belong to Christ and will be turned away on that Day.
Many people think just having knowledge of truth is enough to be at peace with God. But it is truth that results in the indwelling Holy Spirit with it's resultant flame that will save a person on the Day of Christ's appearing. This is the theme of Christ's teaching in Matthew 25,26--knowledge that is retained and put to work and which brings forth the manifestation of that truth is what puts a person at peace with God in preparation for his appearing.
We must have something to show for what God has revealed and entrusted to us in the form of his Word. As long as what he has given us remains mere words we will have no hope of peace and acceptance at his appearing. It must produce something. It must increase beyond mere seeds and bloom into the manifest fruit of the Spirit.
Which to me signifies the indwelling Holy Spirit.
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It is the "except" that gets us...
Fortunately for us there is no "except" in Paul's doctrine.
There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. Romans 8:1
16 I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. Galatians 5:16-18
When we walk in the Spirit we are in fact walking in love, for the fruit of the Spirit is Love...
However it takes time for fruit to develope unto maturity.
5 But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, 6 to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, 7 to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. 8 For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins. 10 Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble; 11 for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 2 Peter 1:5-11
The work of obedience must be applied here as a righteous lifestyle develops.
Faith alone does not fulfill the requirements of obedience to add, that is to say continue developing, the virtues that Peter names here.
Faith alone in Christ for initial Salvation, does not satisfy all the requirements that requires us to walk out the action of obedience to: [obedience leading to righteousness]
- reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord.
- do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin
- present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God
- present yourselves slaves to obey,
- giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue
- to virtue knowledge
- to knowledge self-control
- to self-control perseverance
- to perseverance godliness
- to godliness brotherly kindness
- to brotherly kindness love
as it is written -
For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him. 2 Corinthians 5:21
JLB
Jethro Bodine
Member
It's interesting that the condition for not being under the condemnation of the law is faith manifesting itself in obedience. IOW, to not be condemned by the law you have to not violate it. Walking in the Spirit is how we do that. Thank God we have Christ's blood to cover us and rescue us from the condemnation of the law when we don't walk in the Spirit...that is if we ask for that forgiveness.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. Romans 8:9
The law of sin and death, not the law of Moses is what Paul states here we have been made free from.
The Law of sin and death is what Adam violated in the Garden that caused death to spread to all men.
JLB
Edward
2024 Supporter
That makes perfect sense. I know it was me that said the oil represents truth, and in a way, it could if we were to liken ourselves unto the lamp. and to let our light shine unto the world, but this could perhaps take some glory from God even if we were to say it is a given that the Holy Spirit is there within us. it would be more correct I think to liken the oil to the Spirit and specifically give the holy Spirit the glory in appreciation of being within us. The Holy Spirit leads us into truth, being truth and illuminates to guide our path in our walk. Which we walk out into righteousness being led by Him and His light.
how can we be sure that we are being led of the Spirit? It's easy, by the fruit (or lack thereof). We have three enemies, the world, the flesh and the Devil. Each day we will have all three bombard us with temptation, and will have to make decisions and we would do well to consider the Lords word to see if the decision we make would be according to His Word, and would our decision bear a fruit. The holy Spirit will of course convict us and put the thought within us to do the right thing and we have to consider whether or not to obey this prompting. Some will be an easy decision, some not so easy. Do I steal that whatchamallit? No. Do I give the money back that the cashier mistakenly gave me too much in change? (which is the same as stealing). Yes. Fruit. Obey then. other things not so easy to decide. Reaction to sin. Someone stole from me, do I forgive them or justify not forgiving them through righteousness indignation (One of Satans favorite deceptions!) Forgive them. Fruit. They steal again tomorrow from me. Forgive them again? Or justify with righteousness indignation? It may sting to forgive them again, pride. Yes, forgive them. fruit. The Spirit would forgive them so to forgive again is walking it out. They beat Jesus up and crucified Him. In total love, was able to forgive and not be judgmental. fruit of the walk.
How many times can one forgive before righteousness indignation is justified? Well at least seventy times seven, right? Forgiving them is being led by the Spirit and produces fruit. The flesh and the world will say, No, I am the victim, it is ok to be mad at them. deception. Disobedience to the Spirit...sin. And we were the ones victimized! There's a fruit of the Spirit, love, obedience. but wait, the law says thou shalt not steal. But we're not under the Law, we're being led of the Spirit! See how it works? Being led of the Spirit means you can't even be offended at the offense against you, for this would not be love. We're not the victim, they are, because they have lost their way and need the love and understanding which would set them right again. This is a tough pill to swallow for many. Setting aside the pride and vanity of being (so-called) right. to continue to love them as yourself in brotherly love and if we don't then with what judgement we mete out, it shall be measured to us again. Scary, and one of the finer points of the law, not being under it because we are led of the spirit.
Isn't that something? We can get wronged or victimized, and walk into sin by not forgiving them and loving them as we would love ourself. But this is the Spirit, and the mind of Christ which we aspire to have. I may be digressing here, but perhaps not because the topic is OT law and being led of the Spirit. We have to watch out for righteousness indignation. It may feel right, but is not if one is Spirit filled.
I wondered too.
A good topic.It is an interesting parable. I can't say I have any problem with what you say here. I take away from what you say that, the oil is the Truth and the Light which burns the oil are the actions that we produce through putting the oil to use. That sounds quite viable. But this does not really answer how it is wisdom to bring extra oil. The foolish virgins had oil also but not enough to maintain their lamps. Perhaps the oil is Love.
Edward
2024 Supporter
That's an interesting idea. it would take more than a typical amount of love to forgive people who continually wrong you. Still the Holy Spirit though for God is love.
As I recall, scripture does say because offenses will abound, the Love of many will grow cold.
I hear ya !!! Faith, Faith, Faithfulness, Faith, Love, Love, Love, Love.I believe it. i see it everyday.
Stay in the Spirit stay in the Spirit stay in the Spirit. (I'm talking to myself there)