and to add to this, it's very difficult, but when reading the Word, we can drop all things we have learned in the denominations and allow the Holy Spirit to teach us. I know it seems common sense, but many Bibles are written to fit a denomination and so when reading, you have those beliefs in the back of your mind, and tend to go with the denominational belief vs what the Holy Spirit is trying to teach.
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Bible Study The Law of God - The Law of Moses - The Law
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and to add to this, it's very difficult, but when reading the Word, we can drop all things we have learned in the denominations and allow the Holy Spirit to teach us. I know it seems common sense, but many Bibles are written to fit a denomination and so when reading, you have those beliefs in the back of your mind, and tend to go with the denominational belief vs what the Holy Spirit is trying to teach.
HA! Well, I am not innocent either, and still am not, I struggle with a few things, besides anger. Sometimes I feel like a mess and wonder why God bothers with me. haha
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Elijah674
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Way to much personal stuff for me here!
Here is the Inspiration of God, is it complicated?? James 2
[8] If yefulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
(Royal law was the one that God [alone] wrote & puts in ones heart & mind. All Born Again ones! And fulfil does away with This Eternal Covenant?? Read on!!)
[9] But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. (RIGHT BACK UNDER THE LAW AS A SINNER & [IN NEED] of Chist our High Priest! And do you just keep on breaking Christ's Eternal Covenant law???? Hardly can one do that & remain Saved for ever! 2 Peter 2:19-22 & Heb. 6:6)
(And this is the second table of the Covenant, our Born Again Loving Duty to both God & mankind)
[10] For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
(and now we see where Inspired James is directing the UNIVERSE! God's WORD!Right back into the Eternal Covenant where adultery & killing are located! Inside of the Ark of Heaven's [ROYAL} Law for the Universe. Heb. 13:20)
[11] For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
[12] So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
(again proof positive of Matt. 7's talk talk only, or documented recorded PROOF of our profession!
The standard of if one is saved or not is by this Universal Covenant alone that God Himself wrote. Eccl. 12:13-14, Rev. 20:11-14 We can say anything, but these Records have it in every detail of if we are Lovingly Obedient or disobedient.
And Law of Liberty?? Our every need is supplied by & IN CHRIST [[[IF]]] we will be Obedient! Phil. 4:13 + 2 Cor. 12:9. And it is up to us to use this Eternal Provision IF we will! (Matt. 4:4 + 2 Tim. 3:16-17) We ARE AT LIBERTY one way or the other! God never uses force! The Holy Spirit STRIVES but never forces one to make any person follow! We follow Christ because of a recreated Motive of LOVE! Rom. 8:14! See Nah. 1:9
Here is the Inspiration of God, is it complicated?? James 2
[8] If yefulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
(Royal law was the one that God [alone] wrote & puts in ones heart & mind. All Born Again ones! And fulfil does away with This Eternal Covenant?? Read on!!)
[9] But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. (RIGHT BACK UNDER THE LAW AS A SINNER & [IN NEED] of Chist our High Priest! And do you just keep on breaking Christ's Eternal Covenant law???? Hardly can one do that & remain Saved for ever! 2 Peter 2:19-22 & Heb. 6:6)
(And this is the second table of the Covenant, our Born Again Loving Duty to both God & mankind)
[10] For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
(and now we see where Inspired James is directing the UNIVERSE! God's WORD!Right back into the Eternal Covenant where adultery & killing are located! Inside of the Ark of Heaven's [ROYAL} Law for the Universe. Heb. 13:20)
[11] For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
[12] So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
(again proof positive of Matt. 7's talk talk only, or documented recorded PROOF of our profession!
The standard of if one is saved or not is by this Universal Covenant alone that God Himself wrote. Eccl. 12:13-14, Rev. 20:11-14 We can say anything, but these Records have it in every detail of if we are Lovingly Obedient or disobedient.
And Law of Liberty?? Our every need is supplied by & IN CHRIST [[[IF]]] we will be Obedient! Phil. 4:13 + 2 Cor. 12:9. And it is up to us to use this Eternal Provision IF we will! (Matt. 4:4 + 2 Tim. 3:16-17) We ARE AT LIBERTY one way or the other! God never uses force! The Holy Spirit STRIVES but never forces one to make any person follow! We follow Christ because of a recreated Motive of LOVE! Rom. 8:14! See Nah. 1:9
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For those three things Strong's is enough.
But I find that it works better to discuss them because many people have a collection of examples in their heads where they have approached them in the past but without adequate guidance did not understand what they found.
And I personally do not know where those specific examples which they often allude to might be found in book form.
Somewhere on here (or another site) I have a good example of what I am speaking about. I will try to find it and share it with you.
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There is only one Holy Spirit,and he is ONE with the Father and the Son Jesus Christ who is God himself.
Don't mix things up here please.
Please look at:
John 10:30
John 1;1-4
1. John 5:1-12
and most important
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, Geneva]John 8:22-59; KJV
22 Then said the Jews, Will he kill himself? because he saith, Whither I go, ye cannot come.
23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.
24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that
I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
25 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning.
26 I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him.
27 They understood not that he spake to them of the Father.
28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.
29 And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.
30 As he spake these words, many believed on him.
31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.
38 I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.
39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.(*see quote below)
40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?
47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
48 Then answered the Jews, and said unto him, Say we not well that thou art a Samaritan, and hast a devil?
49 Jesus answered, I have not a devil; but I honour my Father, and ye do dishonour me.
50 And I seek not mine own glory: there is one that seeketh and judgeth.
51 Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.
52 Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death.
53 Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself?
54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:
55 Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.
56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
59 Then took they up stones to cast at him:
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, Geneva]Torah
Level: Basic
• Torah in the narrowest sense refers to the first five books of the Bible
• In a broader sense, Torah includes all Jewish law and tradition
• Torah was given to Moses in written form with oral commentary
• The oral component is now written in the Talmud
• There are additional important writings
The word "Torah" is a tricky one, because it can mean different things in different contexts. In its most limited sense, "Torah" refers to the Five Books of Moses: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy. But the word "torah" can also be used to refer to the entire Jewish bible (the body of scripture known to non-Jews as the Old Testament and to Jews as the Tanakh or Written Torah), or in its broadest sense, to the whole body of Jewish law and teachings. Written Torah
To Jews, there is no "Old Testament." The books that Christians call the New Testament are not part of Jewish scripture. The so-called Old Testament is known to us as Written Torah or the Tanakh.
This is a list of the books of Written Torah, in the order in which they appear in Jewish translations, with the Hebrew name of the book, a translation of the Hebrew name (where it is not the same as the English name), and English names of the books (where it is not the same as the Hebrew name). The Hebrew names of the first five books are derived from the first few words of the book. The text of each book is more or less the same in Jewish translations as what you see in Christian bibles, although there are some occasional, slight differences in the numbering of verses and there are some significant differences in the translations.
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Way to much personal stuff for me here!
Here is the Inspiration of God, is it complicated?? James 2
[8] If yefulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
(Royal law was the one that God [alone] wrote & puts in ones heart & mind. All Born Again ones! And fulfil does away with This Eternal Covenant?? Read on!!)
[9] But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. (RIGHT BACK UNDER THE LAW AS A SINNER & [IN NEED] of Chist our High Priest! And do you just keep on breaking Christ's Eternal Covenant law???? Hardly can one do that & remain Saved for ever! 2 Peter 2:19-22 & Heb. 6:6)
(And this is the second table of the Covenant, our Born Again Loving Duty to both God & mankind)
[10] For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
(and now we see where Inspired James is directing the UNIVERSE! God's WORD!Right back into the Eternal Covenant where adultery & killing are located! Inside of the Ark of Heaven's [ROYAL} Law for the Universe. Heb. 13:20)
[11] For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
[12] So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
(again proof positive of Matt. 7's talk talk only, or documented recorded PROOF of our profession!
The standard of if one is saved or not is by this Universal Covenant alone that God Himself wrote. Eccl. 12:13-14, Rev. 20:11-14 We can say anything, but these Records have it in every detail of if we are Lovingly Obedient or disobedient.
And Law of Liberty?? Our every need is supplied by & IN CHRIST [[[IF]]] we will be Obedient! Phil. 4:13 + 2 Cor. 12:9. And it is up to us to use this Eternal Provision IF we will! (Matt. 4:4 + 2 Tim. 3:16-17) We ARE AT LIBERTY one way or the other! God never uses force! The Holy Spirit STRIVES but never forces one to make any person follow! We follow Christ because of a recreated Motive of LOVE! Rom. 8:14! See Nah. 1:9
That is right. He loves righteousness and hates lawlessness.
Therefore so must we or we are not reflecting his spirit in our spirit.
And when that happens that we do not reflect his spirit in our spirit then there is more than only one spirit among us and that cannot be permitted.
Our spirits conformed to Christ's spirit there should be only God's spirit controling among us even as in Christ personally.
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Elijah674
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It is nice to find one with the understanding which is that of recreated Love for our Saviour & Master Jesus Christ! And how it is our desire to Obey Him & serve.. which is Worship Him, huh! ;)
Nathan
Member
Rockie, they are separate inside the ark. You will never find those laws, rules, and ordinances placed inside the ark. It specifically states that only the 10 "words" were placed in there.
What you described, and gave proof too, is that the law placed on the side of the ark contains the ten commandments along with the rest of the law. I have never stated it did not.
But you have given no proof that the entire law, containing all the rules and ordinances, were placed inside the ark.
I just am asking you to consider this before you respond.
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Nathan
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Rockie, you might also look into the sword project, biblos.com, and blue letter bible. There is a lot of great information to be had these days. A lot of study material out there. When I first started studying years ago I bought a pretty expensive piece of Bible software. Great thing to have, but not needed if you have a fast internet connection.
ok, thanks. I have done that and then not till later figured out what the passage really meant or missed one word that changed the entire context of the passage. Like the two different Spirits, I can understand why people would think they are the same.
Thanks Nathan, I will look into the sword project, I use biblos all the time, it's a huge site and could spend hours on it.
Amen.
Thanks for bringing this verse up, I personally needed to hear this teaching today, although my flesh didn't think so. ha!
The 10 were placed inside the ark, the rest were outside of the ark, however, the scripture I posted was showing you the OT does not differentiate between them. When they are used in scripture, they are always together, not separated.
Even in the NT, they are not separated, as in when Paul talks about the law, he does not specifically speak of the 10, versus all the other laws they had to follow.
The two tablets were a reminder of the covenant God had between Himself and the Israelites, this was a represenation of the old covenant, which God has told Israel (those outside of Christ) to follow always, just like they need to follow all of the other laws.
It was inside of the Ark because it represented a covenant, now we have Jesus (our Ark) and He represents the New Covenant. He has now fulfilled all of the laws (for those in Christ, not for those outside of Christ), so the Jewish people, who have not come to Christ yet, are still under the old covenant and are to follow those laws.
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I think that is what happens for us all at first. Then if we are humble and keep looking because we are aware that we are our own worst enemy when it comes to deceiving ourselves, then God blesses the spirit of the humble faith that keeps working in love to see.
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That's right.
And the writing of them in stone pictured that the Israelites to whom they were wrote had hearts like stone and he would write his laws into their heart?
Or did it picture that the laws of God's righteousness would come to them as a stone of stumbling and chief cornerstone which is Christ?
My brain feels like mush tonight
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Nathan
Member
That's right.
And the writing of them in stone pictured that the Israelites to whom they were wrote had hearts like stone and he would write his laws into their heart?
Or did it picture that the laws of God's righteousness would come to them as a stone of stumbling and chief cornerstone which is Christ?
My brain feels like mush tonight
Nathan
Member
Right. You are right. It does not differentiate between them because they followed all of them. And correct again, the NT does not differentiate them either, why? Because Paul dealt with the righteousness that comes apart from it, ALL of it. No one part of it will bring righteousness, not even love!
Obeying the "new" commandment will not give you righteousness either. Righteousness comes APART from ALL the law. It comes through grace, and that is SO unmerited, and unearned by any means.
No, the Jews who have not come to Christ are not to follow the law. Following the law does just as much for them as a Irish man following them. They may follow it, but they will die and go to hell the same as all mankind who does not have Christ. Apart from Christ the law is death to people.
Being inside the ark is not representative of the covenant that is no more in Christ. There were other items in the ark. Remember them? The rod that budded, and the bread from heaven. These came before the law was given. They were not apart of the law of moses. These things in the ark are representative of the covenant God made with Abraham. Which is the EXACT covenant we are in, in Christ.
The rod, bread, and testimonies are a showing of God's power, provision, and love. They are the 'witness' that God did what He told Abraham He would do. And we, in Christ, are the final fulfillment of that promise. Therefore, we are intrinsically linked to the ark and to the covenant it represents. The items in the ark signified that He, God, brought a people out of bondage with power; and that He cared for them and loved them and showed them just who He is, all the while they rejected Him and broke covenant after covenant with Him and went astray in their hearts.
The 10 commandments are the testimony of who God is, and are no more different than the testimony of His power and provision. That is why they are in the ark all by themselves and nothing else ever went into it. It is also why no one could ever touch it. Because man can never touch the holiness of God. Only Christ can, and we are in Him.
Again, I ask that you read and contemplate this. It may take a couple of times through, but its truth. The ark is the covenant we are in. Christ.
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Elijah674
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1 Kings 7:9 + Exod. 20:20 later on Moses (Arron?) Rod that buddeth was also put into the Ark (you can look that verse up!;) & Rev. 11:18-19's Original Temple of God finds it still there!
I'm not sure, you made my brain mush by what you said. ha No offense.That's right.
And the writing of them in stone pictured that the Israelites to whom they were wrote had hearts like stone and he would write his laws into their heart?
Or did it picture that the laws of God's righteousness would come to them as a stone of stumbling and chief cornerstone which is Christ?
My brain feels like mush tonight
We have His commandments written in our hearts, LOVE.
Praise God, now we are in newness of the Spirit!
Romans7:6 But now we have been discharged from the law, having died to that wherein we were held; so that we serve in newness of the spirit, and not in oldness of the letter.