Bible Study The Lord's Day....the 7th Day Sabbath

[Jay T]

God has a day of worship.....the 7th day Sabbath.

satan has set up Sunday, as his day of worship, as Bible prophecy said he would (Daniel 7:25....'think to change times and laws')

Which is more important; keeping one day a week holy unto God in the rest promised us who are in Christ Jesus, or keeping seven days a week unto God in the rest promised us who are in Christ Jesus?

There is a Bible principle few people understand..... Romans 6:16 "Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness ?"
In the light of the 7th day Sabbath-Sunday issue....Romans 6:16 is to be considered, very carefully !

In addition....Jesus Christ said: Luke 6:46 "And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say ?"

When does salvation take place?

#1.)since the Law of God (Exodus 20:3-17) shows us where we have failed.
We then, go to Jesus Christ to ask forgiveness for those errors we have made in our lives, by what the 10 commandments say.
We ask Jesus to come into our lives to keep us from breaking God's Law, which is sin (1 John 3:4.....Romans 7:7).
Jesus Christ comes into the life to keep enable us to keep the Law of God, (Romans 10:4).
The result will be..... Revelation 14:12 " Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus".

How do you know that you are saved?

James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: show me thy faith without thy works, and I will show thee my faith by my works.
AND....
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:
2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Don't miss verse 10 !
2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Verse 10 is saying the same thing as Romans 10:4.....Romans 10:4 For Christ [is] the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

 

[Solo]

God has a day of worship.....the 7th day Sabbath.

satan has set up Sunday, as his day of worship, as Bible prophecy said he would (Daniel 7:25....'think to change times and laws')

Which is more important; keeping one day a week holy unto God in the rest promised us who are in Christ Jesus, or keeping seven days a week unto God in the rest promised us who are in Christ Jesus?

There is a Bible principle few people understand..... Romans 6:16 "Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness ?"
In the light of the 7th day Sabbath-Sunday issue....Romans 6:16 is to be considered, very carefully !

In addition....Jesus Christ said: Luke 6:46 "And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say ?"
[quote:3c047]
When does salvation take place?

#1.)since the Law of God (Exodus 20:3-17) shows us where we have failed.
We then, go to Jesus Christ to ask forgiveness for those errors we have made in our lives, by what the 10 commandments say.
We ask Jesus to come into our lives to keep us from breaking God's Law, which is sin (1 John 3:4.....Romans 7:7).
Jesus Christ comes into the life to keep enable us to keep the Law of God, (Romans 10:4).
The result will be..... Revelation 14:12 " Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus".

How do you know that you are saved?

James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: show me thy faith without thy works, and I will show thee my faith by my works.
AND....
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:
2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Don't miss verse 10 !
2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Verse 10 is saying the same thing as Romans 10:4.....Romans 10:4 For Christ [is] the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. [/quote:3c047]

So what part of your being keeps the commandments; the corrupt, mortal sinful flesh, or the new creature which is born of God at salvation?

And you forgot to answer the following:

Which is more important; keeping one day a week holy unto God in the rest promised us who are in Christ Jesus, or keeping seven days a week unto God in the rest promised us who are in Christ Jesus?

 

[Jay T]

So what part of your being keeps the commandments; the corrupt, mortal sinful flesh, or the new creature which is born of God at salvation?

You are asking some really good questions, Solo.
Remember that the carnal minded person, cannot obey, Jesus Christ.....
Romans 8:7 "Because the carnal mind [is] enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be".

And you forgot to answer the following:

Which is more important; keeping one day a week holy unto God in the rest promised us who are in Christ Jesus, or keeping seven days a week unto God in the rest promised us who are in Christ Jesus?

I did answer this, but maybe in the way, you didn't want.
I'll try another angle, ok ?

The bottom line, is to obey ...exactly ...what the Lord says to do. Exodus 20:8 "Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy".

20:9 "Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work":

20:10 "But the seventh day [is] the sabbath of the LORD thy God: [in it] thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that [is] within thy gates:
20:11 For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it".

Remember that it was Christ that wrote this, on Mt Sinai.
He did not...change it, when He came to earth, in the New Testament.

Yes, we rest in Jesus Christ.
But, that does not excuse the observance of the day of rest, which He Himself established.

It is satan's work, to obscure what God, requires of us.
If you always remember that satan is at ...WAR....with God's commandments, and the people who keep them (Revelation 12:17)

 

[Jay T]

Re: The Lord's day---the sabbath day?

Jay T; I find it hard to believe that when "the Lord" is speaking through the prophets in the OT that you interpret this as Christ speaking.

Well, when the Bible verses goes like this: "I am the Lord your God"....I kind of think of it as, the Lord Jesus Christ, speaking.

20:20 "And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a [sign] between me and you, that ye may know that I [am] the LORD your God".

 

[Jay T]

Was the apostle Paul able to walk sin free while in his flesh?

Yes, I believe he did.
The difference is, committing known sin vrs UNknown sin.
Since it was Paul who gave the Bible definition of sin, he most assuredly knew what sin was. And he knew not to commit any known sin.

 

[Solo]

Was the apostle Paul able to walk sin free while in his flesh?

Yes, I believe he did.
The difference is, committing known sin vrs UNknown sin.
Since it was Paul who gave the Bible definition of sin, he most assuredly knew what sin was. And he knew not to commit any known sin.

According to Romans 7 Paul knew he was commiting "known sin", so how do you interpret this scripture?

14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. 15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. 16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good. 17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. 18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. 19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. 20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. 21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. 22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: 23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. 24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? 25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin. Romans 7:14-25

 

[Jay T]

According to Romans 7 Paul knew he was commiting "known sin", so how do you interpret this scripture?

..... So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin. Romans 7:14-25[/b]

The last sentnce tells us that he served the law of God....which means he didn't break any of the commandments of God, which is the Bible definition of what sin is (1 John 3:4.....Romans 7:7).

And, he followed the example st forth by Jesus Christ, living in sinful flesh ...yet, not committing sinful acts.

 

[Solo]

According to Romans 7 Paul knew he was commiting "known sin", so how do you interpret this scripture?

..... So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin. Romans 7:14-25[/b]

The last sentnce tells us that he served the law of God....which means he didn't break any of the commandments of God, which is the Bible definition of what sin is (1 John 3:4.....Romans 7:7).

And, he followed the example st forth by Jesus Christ, living in sinful flesh ...yet, not committing sinful acts.

After being born again, Paul kept the law of God, not the Law of Moses. The Law of Moses was given to the Israelites after the exodus from Egypt. The law of God is much more indepth and spiritual than the Law of Moses. The law of God is written on the heart of man, not on tablets of stone. God's law of the New Covenant is not a set of ordinances to obtain the righteousness of God, Jesus Christ is the righteousness of God, and his righteousness is imputed to those that are born of God. Jesus has given believers the Holy Spirit, making each believer a holy temple of God. Each day we are to live ceasing from out own works, and instead being about the business of God. No one has, nor ever will be able to keep the Law of Moses except for Jesus. John writes in Revelation that Jesus is the only one worthy to open the seven seals. That is because he was the only one able to keep the Law of Moses.

Now if you refuse to do that which is right, it is a sin. If you refuse to be about God's business on Tuesday, it is a sin. If you refuse to be about God's business on Thursday, it is a sin. When you walk in the flesh instead of the spirit, it is a sin. There are many more sins than just the ten that can be committed by breaking the Law of Moses.

 

[Jay T]

After being born again, Paul kept the law of God, not the Law of Moses.

Yes, you are correct.

The Law of Moses was given to the Israelites after the exodus from Egypt. The law of God is much more indepth and spiritual than the Law of Moses. The law of God is written on the heart of man, not on tablets of stone. God's law of the New Covenant is not a set of ordinances to obtain the righteousness of God, Jesus Christ is the righteousness of God, and his righteousness is imputed to those that are born of God. Jesus has given believers the Holy Spirit, making each believer a holy temple of God. Each day we are to live ceasing from out own works, and instead being about the business of God. No one has, nor ever will be able to keep the Law of Moses except for Jesus.

And Jesus did it, to show us what we can do, thru the power of God.
He set forth an example, for us to follow (1 Peter 2:21,22).

Now if you refuse to do that which is right, it is a sin. If you refuse to be about God's business on Tuesday, it is a sin. If you refuse to be about God's business on Thursday, it is a sin. When you walk in the flesh instead of the spirit, it is a sin. There are many more sins than just the ten that can be committed by breaking the Law of Moses.

The Bible tells us that the Law of Moses was abolished at the cross of Jesus (Ephesians 2:15.....Colossians 2:14-16).
THe 10 commandments that Christ wrote out personally, on Mt Sinai (Exodus 20:3-17) ....Jesus said would not change, until heaven and earth had passed away, first (Matthew 5:17,18).

Therefore the 4th commandment (Exodus 20:8-11) is still with us today, as well as the rest of the other 9.

 

[Solo]

After being born again, Paul kept the law of God, not the Law of Moses.

Yes, you are correct.

The Law of Moses was given to the Israelites after the exodus from Egypt. The law of God is much more indepth and spiritual than the Law of Moses. The law of God is written on the heart of man, not on tablets of stone. God's law of the New Covenant is not a set of ordinances to obtain the righteousness of God, Jesus Christ is the righteousness of God, and his righteousness is imputed to those that are born of God. Jesus has given believers the Holy Spirit, making each believer a holy temple of God. Each day we are to live ceasing from out own works, and instead being about the business of God. No one has, nor ever will be able to keep the Law of Moses except for Jesus.

And Jesus did it, to show us what we can do, thru the power of God.
He set forth an example, for us to follow (1 Peter 2:21,22).

Now if you refuse to do that which is right, it is a sin. If you refuse to be about God's business on Tuesday, it is a sin. If you refuse to be about God's business on Thursday, it is a sin. When you walk in the flesh instead of the spirit, it is a sin. There are many more sins than just the ten that can be committed by breaking the Law of Moses.

The Bible tells us that the Law of Moses was abolished at the cross of Jesus (Ephesians 2:15.....Colossians 2:14-16).
THe 10 commandments that Christ wrote out personally, on Mt Sinai (Exodus 20:3-17) ....Jesus said would not change, until heaven and earth had passed away, first (Matthew 5:17,18).

Therefore the 4th commandment (Exodus 20:8-11) is still with us today, as well as the rest of the other 9.

Jay T,
You were taught that you could fulfill the Law, but Jesus is the only one that has or ever will. One that is born of God since Pentecost is now a temple of God, and every day is holy as God dwells within each believer. When a believer walks in the Spirt he is obedient to God, when a believer walks in the flesh he is obedient to sin. One who is born of God will never be separated from God.

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 5:17-20

You were taught that, Thou shalt not kill; but you should not be angry with your brother without a cause for if you do you will be in danger of the judgment.

21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: 22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. 23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee; 24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift. 25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison. 26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing. Matthew 5:21-26

You were taught that, Thou shalt not commit adultery, but if you look on a woman with lust in your eyes you have committed adultery.

27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: 28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. 29 And if thy right eye offend F11 thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. 30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. 31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement: 32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

You have been taught that, Thou shalt love your neighbor but now you are to also love your enemies.

43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. 44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; 45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. 46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? 47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? 48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. Matthew 5:42-48

Let's take this a step further, since the Bible doesn't record Jesus speaking about your most important commandment, we will see if this next statement seems out of line.

You were taught that, Thou shalt keep the Sabbath day holy but now you are told that since the Holy Spirit of God himself dwells in you, every day should be kept holy, and by keeping all days holy, you should cease from your carnal works and instead be about God's works as he will guide and direct you in His understanding and not the understanding of man.

 

[guibox]

You were taught that, Thou shalt keep the Sabbath day holy but now you are told that since the Holy Spirit of God himself dwells in you, every day should be kept holy, and by keeping all days holy, you should cease from your carnal works and instead be about God's works as he will guide and direct you in His understanding and not the understanding of man.

How foolish is that? We are told in Hebrews 4 to observe the Sabbath and 'rest from our works as God did from His'. To say that God rested from 'sinful works' absolute nonsense.

Please read the following with an open mind and heart...

What is the meaning of Sabbathkeeping in Hebrews 4? 


Historically, the Sabbathkeeping mentioned in Hebrews 4:9-10 has been interpreted as figurative abstention from sinful acts, rather than literal cessation from work. In support of this view appeal is made to Hebrews’ reference to "dead works" (6:1; 9:14). Such a concept, however, cannot be read back into Hebrews 4:10, where a comparison is made between the divine and the human cessation from "works." It would be absurd to think that God ceased from "sinful deeds." The point of the analogy is simply that as God ceased on the seventh day from His creation work, so believers are to cease on the same day from their labors. This is a simple statement of the nature of Sabbathkeeping which essentially involves cessation from works. 

Literal Sabbathkeeping Clear support for a literal understanding of Sabbathkeeping is provided by the usage of the noun "sabbatismosâ€â€sabbath rest" and of the verb "apoleipetaiâ€â€remains," both of which occur in Hebrews 4:9. The verb "apoleipetai" literally means "to be left behind." Thus, the verb implies that Sabbahkeeping has not terminated with Christ’s coming, because it "has been left behind for the people of God."  

The noun "sabbatismosâ€â€Sabbath rest," which occurs only once in the New Testament, supports this conclusion. We have shown in chapter 4 that this noun is used several times in post-canonical literature as a technical term for Sabbathkeeping. This usage corresponds to the Septuagint usage of the cognate verb sabbatizo (cf. Ex 16:30; Lev 23:32; 26:34f.; 2 Chron 36:21), which also has reference to Sabbath observance. Thus, we would conclude then that the references to cessation from work in Hebrews 4:10, and to the verb "remains" and the noun "Sabbathkeeping" in v. 9, make it abundantly clear that the writer is thinking of a literal Sabbath observance.

  - Dr. S. Bacchiocchi "The Sabbath Under Crossfire"

So why did Paul talk about the Sabbath in a deeper sense of rest in Christ in Hebrews 4?
 

The Meaning of Sabbathkeeping. Considering the concern of Hebrews to counteract the tendency of his readers to adopt Jewish liturgical customs as a means to gain access to God, the author could hardly have emphasized solely the physical "cessation" aspect of Sabbathkeeping. This aspect yields only a negative idea of rest, one which would only serve to encourage existing Judaizing tendencies. Obviously then, the author attributes a deeper meaning to the resting on the Sabbath. 

This deeper meaning can be seen in the antithesis the author makes between those who failed to enter into God’s rest because of "unbeliefâ€â€apeitheias" (Heb 4:6, 11)â€â€that is, faithlessness which results in disobedienceâ€â€and those who enter it by "faithâ€â€pistei" (Heb 4:2, 3), that is, faithfulness that results in obedience. 

The act of resting on the Sabbath for the author of Hebrews is not merely a routine ritual (cf. "sacrifice"â€â€Matt 12:7), but rather a faith-response to God. Such a response entails not the hardening of one’s heart (4:7) but the making of oneself available to "hear his voice" (Heb 4:7). It means experiencing God’s salvation rest not by works but by faith, not by doing but by being saved through faith (Heb 4:2, 3, 11). It means ceasing from our work to allow God to work in us more fully and freely. 

In Hebrews the Sabbath rest that remains for the people of God (Heb 4:9) is not a mere day of idleness but rather an opportunity renewed every week to enter God’s rest, that is, to free oneself from the cares of work in order to experience freely by faith God’s creation and redemption rest.  

This expanded interpretation of Sabbathkeeping in the light of the Christ event was apparently designed to wean Christians away from a too materialistic understanding of its observance. To achieve this objective, the author on the one hand reassures his readers of the permanence of the blessings contemplated by the Sabbath rest and on the other hand explains that the nature of these blessings consists in experiencing both a present-salvation-rest and the future restoration-rest which God offers to those "who have believed" (Heb 4:3).

 - Dr. S. Bacchiocchi "The Sabbath Under Crossfire"

 

[Solo]

You were taught that, Thou shalt keep the Sabbath day holy but now you are told that since the Holy Spirit of God himself dwells in you, every day should be kept holy, and by keeping all days holy, you should cease from your carnal works and instead be about God's works as he will guide and direct you in His understanding and not the understanding of man.

How foolish is that? We are told in Hebrews 4 to observe the Sabbath and 'rest from our works as God did from His'. To say that God rested from 'sinful works' absolute nonsense.

Why would you fall into the foolishness of entering into a day of rest when Hebrews 4 is speaking of entering the rest that is Jesus Christ. Jesus expands throughout every day of the week, not just one. Did God need to rest on the sabbath from his creation to worship himself? Did God need to rest on the seventh day because he was tired? Did God create man so that he would worship him on the sabbath day only?

Please read the following with an open mind and heart...

What is the meaning of Sabbathkeeping in Hebrews 4? 


Historically, the Sabbathkeeping mentioned in Hebrews 4:9-10 has been interpreted as figurative abstention from sinful acts, rather than literal cessation from work. In support of this view appeal is made to Hebrews’ reference to "dead works" (6:1; 9:14). Such a concept, however, cannot be read back into Hebrews 4:10, where a comparison is made between the divine and the human cessation from "works." It would be absurd to think that God ceased from "sinful deeds." The point of the analogy is simply that as God ceased on the seventh day from His creation work, so believers are to cease on the same day from their labors. This is a simple statement of the nature of Sabbathkeeping which essentially involves cessation from works. 

Literal Sabbathkeeping Clear support for a literal understanding of Sabbathkeeping is provided by the usage of the noun "sabbatismosâ€â€sabbath rest" and of the verb "apoleipetaiâ€â€remains," both of which occur in Hebrews 4:9. The verb "apoleipetai" literally means "to be left behind." Thus, the verb implies that Sabbahkeeping has not terminated with Christ’s coming, because it "has been left behind for the people of God."  

The noun "sabbatismosâ€â€Sabbath rest," which occurs only once in the New Testament, supports this conclusion. We have shown in chapter 4 that this noun is used several times in post-canonical literature as a technical term for Sabbathkeeping. This usage corresponds to the Septuagint usage of the cognate verb sabbatizo (cf. Ex 16:30; Lev 23:32; 26:34f.; 2 Chron 36:21), which also has reference to Sabbath observance. Thus, we would conclude then that the references to cessation from work in Hebrews 4:10, and to the verb "remains" and the noun "Sabbathkeeping" in v. 9, make it abundantly clear that the writer is thinking of a literal Sabbath observance.

  - Dr. S. Bacchiocchi "The Sabbath Under Crossfire"

So why did Paul talk about the Sabbath in a deeper sense of rest in Christ in Hebrews 4?

The writer of Hebrews is making a point that resting from ones works is done through Jesus Christ. When one walks in the flesh he is doing his own works, however, when one walks in the Spirit he is doing God's works. Believers are not to be concerned about keeping one day unto God by walking in the Spirit on that day, and then walking six days a week in the flesh doing one's own works.

Those that are hung up on keeping the ordinance of not working on Saturday is so juvenile compared with the truth that the works that God is speaking of resting from is our carnal works which will be burnt up like wood, hay, and stubble. We are to rest seven days a week from our works and keep seven days a week holy. If you were to understand what keeping a day holy means, then you would understand that in Jesus Christ, all days are to be kept as holy.
 

The Meaning of Sabbathkeeping. Considering the concern of Hebrews to counteract the tendency of his readers to adopt Jewish liturgical customs as a means to gain access to God, the author could hardly have emphasized solely the physical "cessation" aspect of Sabbathkeeping. This aspect yields only a negative idea of rest, one which would only serve to encourage existing Judaizing tendencies. Obviously then, the author attributes a deeper meaning to the resting on the Sabbath. 

This deeper meaning can be seen in the antithesis the author makes between those who failed to enter into God’s rest because of "unbeliefâ€â€apeitheias" (Heb 4:6, 11)â€â€that is, faithlessness which results in disobedienceâ€â€and those who enter it by "faithâ€â€pistei" (Heb 4:2, 3), that is, faithfulness that results in obedience. 

The act of resting on the Sabbath for the author of Hebrews is not merely a routine ritual (cf. "sacrifice"â€â€Matt 12:7), but rather a faith-response to God. Such a response entails not the hardening of one’s heart (4:7) but the making of oneself available to "hear his voice" (Heb 4:7). It means experiencing God’s salvation rest not by works but by faith, not by doing but by being saved through faith (Heb 4:2, 3, 11). It means ceasing from our work to allow God to work in us more fully and freely. 

In Hebrews the Sabbath rest that remains for the people of God (Heb 4:9) is not a mere day of idleness but rather an opportunity renewed every week to enter God’s rest, that is, to free oneself from the cares of work in order to experience freely by faith God’s creation and redemption rest.  

This expanded interpretation of Sabbathkeeping in the light of the Christ event was apparently designed to wean Christians away from a too materialistic understanding of its observance. To achieve this objective, the author on the one hand reassures his readers of the permanence of the blessings contemplated by the Sabbath rest and on the other hand explains that the nature of these blessings consists in experiencing both a present-salvation-rest and the future restoration-rest which God offers to those "who have believed" (Heb 4:3).

 - Dr. S. Bacchiocchi "The Sabbath Under Crossfire"

1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. 2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word F9 preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. 3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. 5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. 6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: 7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. 8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. Hebrews 4:1-10

Those who are the people of God have entered into His rest. This rest is not a one day a week rest. It is a total rest in Jesus Christ where the people of God cease from their own works, just as God rested from his works. It has absolutely nothing to do with keeping a physical day from doing any work at all, as was commanded of the Israelites. It is a rest whereby all those that are born again are to cease from their own works.

 

[Jay T]

Re: The Lord's day---the sabbath day?

Now, isn't it interesting, there is nothing said in the rest of Genesis, that I've found, that anyone worshipped, or set apart the seventh day of the week as something special. And this covered thousands of years.

Yes, VERY INTERESTING !

God established the 7th day sabbath in Genesis 2:2,3....and had no one 'Remember' that day for over a thousand years ?!?

Yet....in the 4th commandment (Exodus 20:8-11)...God said to REMEMBERthat day !
POINTING back....to the day God created it.

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The Meaning of Sabbathkeeping. Considering the concern of Hebrews to counteract the tendency of his readers to adopt Jewish liturgical customs as a means to gain access to God, the author could hardly have emphasized solely the physical "cessation" aspect of Sabbathkeeping. This aspect yields only a negative idea of rest, one which would only serve to encourage existing Judaizing tendencies. Obviously then, the author attributes a deeper meaning to the resting on the Sabbath. 

This deeper meaning can be seen in the antithesis the author makes between those who failed to enter into God’s rest because of "unbeliefâ€â€apeitheias" (Heb 4:6, 11)â€â€that is, faithlessness which results in disobedienceâ€â€and those who enter it by "faithâ€â€pistei" (Heb 4:2, 3), that is, faithfulness that results in obedience. 

The act of resting on the Sabbath for the author of Hebrews is not merely a routine ritual (cf. "sacrifice"â€â€Matt 12:7), but rather a faith-response to God. Such a response entails not the hardening of one’s heart (4:7) but the making of oneself available to "hear his voice" (Heb 4:7). It means experiencing God’s salvation rest not by works but by faith, not by doing but by being saved through faith (Heb 4:2, 3, 11). It means ceasing from our work to allow God to work in us more fully and freely. 

In Hebrews the Sabbath rest that remains for the people of God (Heb 4:9) is not a mere day of idleness but rather an opportunity renewed every week to enter God’s rest, that is, to free oneself from the cares of work in order to experience freely by faith God’s creation and redemption rest.  

This expanded interpretation of Sabbathkeeping in the light of the Christ event was apparently designed to wean Christians away from a too materialistic understanding of its observance. To achieve this objective, the author on the one hand reassures his readers of the permanence of the blessings contemplated by the Sabbath rest and on the other hand explains that the nature of these blessings consists in experiencing both a present-salvation-rest and the future restoration-rest which God offers to those "who have believed" (Heb 4:3).

 - Dr. S. Bacchiocchi "The Sabbath Under Crossfire"

Those who are the people of God have entered into His rest. This rest is not a one day a week rest. It is a total rest in Jesus Christ where the people of God cease from their own works, just as God rested from his works. It has absolutely nothing to do with keeping a physical day from doing any work at all, as was commanded of the Israelites. It is a rest whereby all those that are born again are to cease from their own works.

Strange. I guess the proper way to debate is to completely ignore what was just disputed and explained to argue the same thing again. Perhaps you should read the argument above your post I've quoted here, solo.

Did you even take the time to read the inconsistencies in your arguments based on biblical and historical logic or did you just ignore it to harp on your own interpretation?

I wonder why we even bother to take the time to present a view point when we are only ignored and answered with the same broken record everytime.

 

[Jay T]

I wonder why we even bother to take the time to present a view point when we are only ignored and answered with the same broken record everytime.

You know ol buddy, they say the same thing about us.....as we try to tell 'non-believers' about the sabbath truths.

You noticed I used the term 'non-believers'...as those who refuse to believe, what the Bible says.