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The Lords Sabbaths and his Feasts, Holy Convocations/Leviticus 23:1; 1 Corinthians 5:8

At least some of them celebrate the Passover on the Jewish Passover. I have read Polycarp was one of these.

Polycrates
Bishop of Ephesus. [a.d. 130-196.] From His Epistle to Victor and the Roman Church Concerning the Day of Keeping the Passover:

"As for us, then, we scrupulously observe the exact day, neither adding nor taking away. …
I speak of Philip, one of the twelve apostles, who is laid to rest at Hierapolis; …
John, moreover, who reclined on the Lord's bosom, …
Polycarp, both bishop and martyr at Smyrna; …
Thraseas from Eumenia, …
Sagaris, bishop and martyr, who rests at Laodicea…
Papirius, …
Melito the eunuch, …
These all kept the passover …"
"Moreover I also, Polycrates..."​
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/polycrates.html
 
Hmm....Paul and the feasts. What does scripture say, what did Paul in his own words say?
Well, the Law says one must go to Jerusalem three times a year. Did Paul always do that commandment or did he desire to do that commandment? If so when and for what reasons?

Gal 2:1 Then, after fourteen years again I went up to Jerusalem with Barnabas, having taken with me also Titus;

So Paul didn't always keep the feasts in Jerusalem as the Law commands. Correct? It appears to me that it wasn't something that he felt he Had to do in order not to be in sin. Or am I missing something?

At other times, Paul spoke a desire to be in Jerusalem for a feast, that is clear from the scripture you have posted. Did he have some other reason for wanting to be there other than to be following the Law?

By the way I don't think the physical Sabbath observance spoken of in the 10 Commandments has ever change from the 7th day.
:amen

The Sabbath begins at the evening of Friday to the evening Saturday.

However the law has been declared obsolete and has been taken out of the way by God.

If someone desires to keep feast days then that is between them and God.

If they keep them because they think it's a sin not to, then they are doing it to be justified before God.

JLB
 
Polycrates Bishop of Ephesus. [a.d. 130-196.] From His Epistle to Victor and the Roman Church Concerning the Day of Keeping the Passover:

"As for us, then, we scrupulously observe the exact day, neither adding nor taking away. …
I speak of Philip, one of the twelve apostles, who is laid to rest at Hierapolis; …
John, moreover, who reclined on the Lord's bosom, …
Polycarp, both bishop and martyr at Smyrna; …
Thraseas from Eumenia, …
Sagaris, bishop and martyr, who rests at Laodicea…
Papirius, …
Melito the eunuch, …
These all kept the passover …"
"Moreover I also, Polycrates..."​
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/polycrates.html
:) Thanks, chessman.
 
Matthew 26:2 Pictures: As Jesus himself was telling his disciples, about The Feast of the Passover:Ye know that after two days is the feast of the passover,

Amen, Jesus is the Passover Lamb, having fulfilled the shadow, He is the substance.

JLB
 
5 One person regards one day above another, another regards everyday alike.
6 He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and he who eats, does so for the Lord, for he gives thanks to God...
7 For not one of us lives for himself, and not one dies for himself;
8 for if we live, we live for the Lord, or if we die (dies to self and observes), we die for the Lord; therefore whether we live or die, we are the Lord's.
10 But you, why do you judge your brother? Or you again, why do you regard your brother with contempt?

Romans 14:5-8,10 NASB

I don't see Paul condemning the person as being unsaved who observes the day, for he is doing so unto the Lord, to whom he belongs, vs.8. But I do see him coming against the one who judges and treats with contempt the one who looks down on the person who observes the day, or who judges the one who doesn't observe. In fact, Paul says the one who does not observe and gives offense to the one who does observe by his non-observance is the one making the matter of the observances evil:

16 Therefore do not let what is for you a good thing (not observing), be spoken of as evil;
20 ...they are evil for the man who eats (indulges his freedom to not observe) and gives offense (by his freedom).

Romans 14:16,20 NASB
 
I don't see Paul condemning the person as being unsaved who observes the day, for he is doing so unto the Lord, to whom he belongs, vs.8. But I do see him coming against the one who judges and treats with contempt the one who looks down on the person who observes the day, or who judges the one who doesn't observe.


I don't see Paul keeping all the feast, or commanding the Church to do so.

I see Paul showing us we have liberty to choose.

However the one who thinks they are being justified by keeping the feast day, are the ones that Paul says who are obligated to keep all the law.

But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. Galatians 5:18

Clearly here the Spirit does not lead us to keep the law of Moses.


JLB
 
I don't see Paul keeping all the feast, or commanding the Church to do so.

I see Paul showing us we have liberty to choose.
...which is what we are to remember when considering our Sabbath and Festival keeping brethren. Let them choose to do that.


However the one who thinks they are being justified by keeping the feast day, are the ones that Paul says who are obligated to keep all the law.

But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. Galatians 5:18
Trying to earn your salvation by the law puts you under the condemnation of the law. I've only talked to maybe two observant believers who thought they were actually earning their salvation by their observance, and I think I just misunderstood one of them. All the rest seem to understand quite well that salvation is not earned through observance. I'm guessing there are more non-observant Christians who think they earn their salvation by what they do than observant Christians who believe that.

Clearly here the Spirit does not lead us to keep the law of Moses.
Meaning the Spirit does not lead us to keep the law of Moses to earn our salvation. Which raises the question about Paul when he was observant. We know he wasn't doing that to earn his salvation. So who/what was at work in him to do that? :thinkingIf what he did was not a direct command of the Spirit, is that allowed?
 
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Meaning the Spirit does not lead us to keep the law of Moses to earn our salvation


Nope! That's not even close to what is said in the scripture, here by Paul.

But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. Galatians 5:18

If we are led by the Spirit, we are not under the law at all.

The Spirit does not lead us to keep the law because we are not under the law but under grace.

We are led to obey the Voice of God, which is what faith means, as faith comes by hearing God, and obeying what He says is how we are declared righteous.

The righteousness of faith; a faith that obeys His Voice.

Faith does not come by keeping the law of Moses.

But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. Galatians 5:18

Not under the law!

The Spirit does not led us to keep the law of Moses.


JLB
 
Meaning the Spirit does not lead us to keep the law of Moses to earn our salvation. Which raises the question about Paul when he was observant. We know he wasn't doing that to earn his salvation. So who/what was at work in him to do that?

Compare these two verse's from Galatians 5 -

For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." v. 14
But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. . v 18

When we are led by the Spirit, we are operating in faith working by love, but we are not under the law.

Fulfill the law does not mean we are "under the law".


JLB
 
I agree with much of this statement. I too believe that is when He will return. Two of the major feasts have been fulfilled, Passover and Pentecost.
I agree with Jethro. For example...At least some of them celebrate the Passover on the Jewish Passover. I have read Polycarp was one of these.

I don't think it's going to be very long.
 
For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." v. 14
But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. . v 18

When we are led by the Spirit, we are operating in faith working by love, but we are not under the law.

Fulfill the law does not mean we are "under the law".
Right. 'Under the law' means under the condemnation of the law. When we love others we are not under the condemnation of the law because we have fulfilled the law, not broken it. And it also means not under the law as a covenant.
 
Nope! That's not even close to what is said in the scripture, here by Paul.

But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. Galatians 5:18

If we are led by the Spirit, we are not under the law at all.

The Spirit does not lead us to keep the law because we are not under the law but under grace.

We are led to obey the Voice of God, which is what faith means, as faith comes by hearing God, and obeying what He says is how we are declared righteous.

The righteousness of faith; a faith that obeys His Voice.

Faith does not come by keeping the law of Moses.

But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. Galatians 5:18

Not under the law!

The Spirit does not led us to keep the law of Moses.


JLB
So, was Paul obeying the Spirit, or not, when he was observant? Did he have too? Does the Spirit have to tell you to be observant before you can do that? And if the Spirit doesn't tell you to do that, but you do it anyway, are you sinning?

Do you see the implications of what I'm asking in regard to your 'giving cookies away in front of the crack house' analogy?
 
So, was Paul obeying the Spirit, or not, when he was observant? Did he have too? Does the Spirit have to tell you to be observant before you can do that? And if the Spirit doesn't tell you to do that, but you do it anyway, are you sinning?

All very good questions I'm sure, and maybe one day you can ask Paul this.


here is what I do know for sure...

But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. Galatians 5:18

Now, with that foundation of truth firmly established
, it becomes more clear as we examine some other things Paul says concerning this matter.

For though I am free from all men, I have made myself a servant to all, that I might win the more; 20 and to the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might win Jews; to those who are under the law, as under the law, that I might win those who are under the law; 21 to those who are without law, as without law (not being without law toward God, but under law toward Christ), that I might win those who are without law; 1 Corinthians 9:19-21

Any law keeping that Paul did, was to "appear" as under the law, so that his testimony about Christ from the law and the prophets would be received by them, and that they could themselves also be redeemed from the law and delivered from the law, SO THAT.... they might become sons of God.

But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law, to redeem those who were under the law, that we might receive the adoption as sons. Galatians 4:4-5


Paul, being led by the Spirit to do these things was for the purpose of setting free those who were under the law, that they might receive the adoption as sons... that they would be delivered from the law.


JLB
 
Technically I believe Paul is (an others also) now, quite literally, this very day (Tuesday, the 2nd day of the week, 27th day of the month), celebrating the Lord’s Sabbath Rest:
Here’s one reason why:

Heb 4:3,4,9-10 (LEB) For we who have believed enter into rest, …, For he has spoken somewhere about the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all his works,” … Consequently a Sabbath rest remains for the people of God. For the one who has entered into his rest has also himself rested from his works, just as God did from his own works.

In the fragments of Polycrates that I referenced in my earlier post, I intentionally …’d a lot of what the author/translator of the fragment said about John, Polycarp and the others continuing to observe the Sabbath and the Passover Feast(s). But if you go read what else was said there we find:
1. The author said the reason John the Apostle and the other martyrs mentioned (who were all dead ‘resting’ as the author pointed out, except for the author Polycrates (of course) who was just about to die when he wrote it, continued to observe the Passover on the 14th of the month was due to their ‘Jewishness’ and their continued fellowship with their Jewish brothers/sisters/aunts/uncles, etc.. Some of which didn’t even believe that Jesus was The Christ yet they observed Passover together, none-the-less. My guess is John and the others used it (as they did all occasions) as a time of witnessing to their relatives about the Christ (the real Passover Lamb). Kind of like an atheist uncle coming over for Christmas dinner.
2. Polycarp said that John (before he died) had predicted that an end would one-day come to the observance of the traditional Jewish Passover among Christians. And it did yet it seem to be coming back.
3. Polycarp and the others he mentioned (including John) not only continued to celebrate the Jewish Passover with their families during their lifetimes, they celebrated a “weekly Easter” they called it “The Lord’s Day”. They celebrated it on the 1st day of the week (Sunday).

it may at first seem surprising that this Apostle can be claimed by Polycrates in behalf of the Eastern custom to keep Easter, with the Jews, on the fourteenth day of the moon. But to the Jews the Apostles became "as Jews" in all things tolerable, so long as the Temple stood, and while the bishops of Jerusalem were labouring to identify the Paschal Lamb with their Passover.The long survival of St. John among Jewish Christians led them to prolong this usage, no doubt, as sanctioned by his example. He foreknew it would quietly pass away. The wise and truly Christian spirit of Irenaeus prepared the way for the ultimate unanimity of the Church in a matter which lies at the base of "the Christian Sabbath," and of our own observance of the first day of the week as a weekly Easter.
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/polycrates.html

Additionally, in this ECF’s writings (Ignatius, 105-115 A.D.) in Chapter IX-Let us live with Christ, there’s some relevant historical discussion to the topic of this thread concerning how (and when and why) the Jewish Sabbath observance on Saturday started to become the ‘ancient order of things’ and a new hope began that was/is “The Lord’s Day”. Obviously, none of this is Scripture but interesting history, none-the-less:

If, therefore, those who were brought up in the ancient order of things have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord's Day, on which also our life has sprung up again by Him and by His death.. Let us therefore no longer keep the Sabbath after the Jewish manner, and rejoice in days of idleness; for "he that does not work, let him not eat." For say the [holy] oracles, "In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat thy bread." But let every one of you keep the Sabbath after a spiritual manner, rejoicing in meditation on the law, not in relaxation of the body, admiring the workmanship of God, and not eating things prepared the day before, nor using lukewarm drinks, and walking within a prescribed space, nor finding delight in dancing and plaudits [Enthusiastic expression of praise or approval, I had to look it upJ ] which have no sense in them. And after the observance of the Sabbath, let every friend of Christ keep the Lord's Day as a festival, the resurrection-day, the queen and chief of all the days [of the week].
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/ignatius-magnesians-longer.html

In other words, similar to what Paul says about continuing the law of circumcision (for the purposes of making yourself righteous that is, if you’re going to do it (cut your foreskin off), then just go all the way and cut it all off); Ignatius points out that if you’re gonna ‘rest-up’ on the Jewish Sabbath each week (Saturday) for the purpose of fulfilling the ancient order of things, then go ahead and go all the way. Don’t eat anything (“let him not eat”)! Not a bad point, in my opinion.

But he goes on to say, regardless, after you do all that ancient stuff, then celebrate The Lord’s Days , the resurrection day, the chief of all the days of the week if you are a friend of Christ.

If you want to lay aside the sour leaven and eat unleavened bread fine, have at it. But for Christ’s sake, eat the new leaven (Christ) on the day after that day, Sunday. It’s my observation that most Sabbath (Saturday) keepers celebrate and/or rest on Saturday but just ignore the Sunday celebration (or worse, preach against us that do celebrate the chief day, the resurrection day), for some odd reason.

Maybe Ignatius had in mind the following point from the sermon to the Hebrews when he made his commentary, quoted above:

Hebrews 7:18-21 (LEB) For on the one hand a preceding commandment is set aside because of its weakness and uselessness. (for the law made nothing perfect), but on the other hand there is the introduction of a better hope through which we draw near to God.
 
Technically I believe Paul is (an others also) now, quite literally, this very day (Tuesday, the 2nd day of the week, 27th day of the month), celebrating the Lord’s Sabbath Rest:
Here’s one reason why:

Heb 4:3,4,9-10 (LEB) For we who have believed enter into rest, …, For he has spoken somewhere about the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all his works,” … Consequently a Sabbath rest remains for the people of God. For the one who has entered into his rest has also himself rested from his works, just as God did from his own works.

In the fragments of Polycrates that I referenced in my earlier post, I intentionally …’d a lot of what the author/translator of the fragment said about John, Polycarp and the others continuing to observe the Sabbath and the Passover Feast(s). But if you go read what else was said there we find:
1. The author said the reason John the Apostle and the other martyrs mentioned (who were all dead ‘resting’ as the author pointed out, except for the author Polycrates (of course) who was just about to die when he wrote it, continued to observe the Passover on the 14th of the month was due to their ‘Jewishness’ and their continued fellowship with their Jewish brothers/sisters/aunts/uncles, etc.. Some of which didn’t even believe that Jesus was The Christ yet they observed Passover together, none-the-less. My guess is John and the others used it (as they did all occasions) as a time of witnessing to their relatives about the Christ (the real Passover Lamb). Kind of like an atheist uncle coming over for Christmas dinner.
2. Polycarp said that John (before he died) had predicted that an end would one-day come to the observance of the traditional Jewish Passover among Christians. And it did yet it seem to be coming back.
3. Polycarp and the others he mentioned (including John) not only continued to celebrate the Jewish Passover with their families during their lifetimes, they celebrated a “weekly Easter” they called it “The Lord’s Day”. They celebrated it on the 1st day of the week (Sunday).

it may at first seem surprising that this Apostle can be claimed by Polycrates in behalf of the Eastern custom to keep Easter, with the Jews, on the fourteenth day of the moon. But to the Jews the Apostles became "as Jews" in all things tolerable, so long as the Temple stood, and while the bishops of Jerusalem were labouring to identify the Paschal Lamb with their Passover.The long survival of St. John among Jewish Christians led them to prolong this usage, no doubt, as sanctioned by his example. He foreknew it would quietly pass away. The wise and truly Christian spirit of Irenaeus prepared the way for the ultimate unanimity of the Church in a matter which lies at the base of "the Christian Sabbath," and of our own observance of the first day of the week as a weekly Easter.
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/polycrates.html

Additionally, in this ECF’s writings (Ignatius, 105-115 A.D.) in Chapter IX-Let us live with Christ, there’s some relevant historical discussion to the topic of this thread concerning how (and when and why) the Jewish Sabbath observance on Saturday started to become the ‘ancient order of things’ and a new hope began that was/is “The Lord’s Day”. Obviously, none of this is Scripture but interesting history, none-the-less:

If, therefore, those who were brought up in the ancient order of things have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord's Day, on which also our life has sprung up again by Him and by His death.. Let us therefore no longer keep the Sabbath after the Jewish manner, and rejoice in days of idleness; for "he that does not work, let him not eat." For say the [holy] oracles, "In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat thy bread." But let every one of you keep the Sabbath after a spiritual manner, rejoicing in meditation on the law, not in relaxation of the body, admiring the workmanship of God, and not eating things prepared the day before, nor using lukewarm drinks, and walking within a prescribed space, nor finding delight in dancing and plaudits [Enthusiastic expression of praise or approval, I had to look it upJ ] which have no sense in them. And after the observance of the Sabbath, let every friend of Christ keep the Lord's Day as a festival, the resurrection-day, the queen and chief of all the days [of the week].
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/ignatius-magnesians-longer.html

In other words, similar to what Paul says about continuing the law of circumcision (for the purposes of making yourself righteous that is, if you’re going to do it (cut your foreskin off), then just go all the way and cut it all off); Ignatius points out that if you’re gonna ‘rest-up’ on the Jewish Sabbath each week (Saturday) for the purpose of fulfilling the ancient order of things, then go ahead and go all the way. Don’t eat anything (“let him not eat”)! Not a bad point, in my opinion.

But he goes on to say, regardless, after you do all that ancient stuff, then celebrate The Lord’s Days , the resurrection day, the chief of all the days of the week if you are a friend of Christ.

If you want to lay aside the sour leaven and eat unleavened bread fine, have at it. But for Christ’s sake, eat the new leaven (Christ) on the day after that day, Sunday. It’s my observation that most Sabbath (Saturday) keepers celebrate and/or rest on Saturday but just ignore the Sunday celebration (or worse, preach against us that do celebrate the chief day, the resurrection day), for some odd reason.

Maybe Ignatius had in mind the following point from the sermon to the Hebrews when he made his commentary, quoted above:

Hebrews 7:18-21 (LEB) For on the one hand a preceding commandment is set aside because of its weakness and uselessness. (for the law made nothing perfect), but on the other hand there is the introduction of a better hope through which we draw near to God.

The Sabbath Rest is when the Lord returns, and we are Resurrected from the dead and literally obtain a resurrected body that will never die and shines like the sun, just like Jesus' body now.

Rest indicates that they are no more enemies to battle with. That rest will come in the 1000 Reign with Christ, when all the enemies of God's Kingdom have been removed from the earth.

The Lord Himself and His army will do battle with all the forces that will be arrayed against Him and His people at the end of the age.

And I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army. 20 Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone. 21 And the rest were killed with the sword which proceeded from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse. And all the birds were filled with their flesh. Revelation 19:19-21

Now it came to pass, a long time after the Lord had given rest to Israel from all their enemies round about, that Joshua was old, advanced in age. Joshua 23:1


The last enemy that will be destroyed is death. 1 Corinthians 15:26


Once that is accomplished we will have the promised rest.

Those that believe, will indeed enter that rest.


JLB
 
The Sabbath Rest is when the Lord returns, and we are Resurrected from the dead and literally obtain a resurrected body that will never die and shines like the sun, just like Jesus' body now.
JLB
Do you have any Scripture(s) that teach this? None of the ones you listed do so.
Revelation 19:19-21
Now it came to pass, a long time after the Lord had given rest to Israel from all their enemies round about, that Joshua was old, advanced in age. Joshua 23:1
The last enemy that will be destroyed is death. 1 Corinthians 15:26
JLB
Not a one of those verses says anything about The Sabbath Rest (the seventh day rest). Yet the one I posted does.
So, what do you think the author of Hebrews meant by the Scriptures that I posted?
Heb 4:3 (LEB) For we who have believed enter into rest, …
And then clarifies what rest he’s talking about in the next verse (the seventh day). That’s the rest I’m talking about too. Not the rest from all their enemies round about that Joshua 23:1 is talking about.
In addition, with the Greek text, we know that “enter into” in Heb 4:3 is a verb that’s most certainly in the present tense passive (not future tense as you say).
I don’t know what to make of this. Hebrews 4:3 says we who have believed (past tense) enter into rest (present tense) and clarifies that rest is the seventh day rest in the next sentence. And it’s certainly not talking about “we who believe” being Jesus. Yet you disagree and say it’s not until the resurrection we enter into Sabbath Rest without posting any verses that teach such. Who should I believe?
Plus, as I posted, we have all these 1st and 2nd generation Christians that knew some of the Apostles directly calling The Lord’s Day, the Christian Sabbath.

I’ll just keep believing what I posted (Paul and others who believed have entered into the Sabbath Rest) unless you can post a Scripture that says otherwise, and explain how I've misinterpreted the ones I posted.
 
Do you have any Scripture(s) that teach this? None of the ones you listed do so.

Not a one of those verses says anything about The Sabbath Rest (the seventh day rest). Yet the one I posted does.
So, what do you think the author of Hebrews meant by the Scriptures that I posted?
Heb 4:3 (LEB) For we who have believed enter into rest, …
And then clarifies what rest he’s talking about in the next verse (the seventh day). That’s the rest I’m talking about too. Not the rest from all their enemies round about that Joshua 23:1 is talking about.
In addition, with the Greek text, we know that “enter into” in Heb 4:3 is a verb that’s most certainly in the present tense passive (not future tense as you say).
I don’t know what to make of this. Hebrews 4:3 says we who have believed (past tense) enter into rest (present tense) and clarifies that rest is the seventh day rest in the next sentence. And it’s certainly not talking about “we who believe” being Jesus. Yet you disagree and say it’s not until the resurrection we enter into Sabbath Rest without posting any verses that teach such. Who should I believe?
Plus, as I posted, we have all these 1st and 2nd generation Christians that knew some of the Apostles directly calling The Lord’s Day, the Christian Sabbath.

I’ll just keep believing what I posted (Paul and others who believed have entered into the Sabbath Rest) unless you can post a Scripture that says otherwise, and explain how I've misinterpreted the ones I posted.

The weekly Sabbath day is a shadow of the 1000 year long Sabbath Day to come.

As Peter explains -
8 But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 2 Peter 3:8

Otherwise concerning the weekly Sabbath Paul teaches -

16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.
Colossians 2:16
 
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[QUOTE="chessman, post: 1049087, member: 4074"

I’ll just keep believing what I posted (Paul and others who believed have entered into the Sabbath Rest) unless you can post a Scripture that says otherwise, and explain how I've misinterpreted the ones I posted.[/QUOTE]

OK, back at my computer, as I was posting from my phone.

Yes by all means believe what the scriptures say.

I don't think you have misinterpreted what Hebrews 4:3 says -

For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said: "So I swore in My wrath, 'They shall not enter My rest,' " although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. Hebrews 4:3

So let me ask you, if you believe that Paul and you have entered that rest, then what is the purpose of "keeping the sabbath" each Saturday?

Are you trying to obtain something, that the scripture says you already have?

Hint: There remains therefore a rest for the people of God.


JLB
 
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