The Music of Devils in the CHURCH!!!

[CaptainCrunk]

Funny how some people have an agenda to tear down the things that they don't like. Maybe if people spent more time looking for God instead of Satan they might find more meaning in the things they don't understand. That's not to say we shouldn't use discretion as believers, but the "thats from the devil" idea about any and everything that doesn't fit our taste only makes people look foolish. If you (relatively speaking) don't like it, then don't listen to it.

That's one of the best things I've ever heard someone say dude. I'll have to quote you on my myspace.

 

[Lewis]

A little out of date for one. Funny how some people have an agenda to tear down the things that they don't like. Maybe if people spent more time looking for God instead of Satan they might find more meaning in the things they don't understand. That's not to say we shouldn't use discretion as believers, but the "thats from the devil" idea about any and everything that doesn't fit our taste only makes people look foolish. If you (relatively speaking) don't like it, then don't listen to it.

Good stuff you said there Scott. Thank you.

 

[JohnR]

what you think.

Violence, sex, rebellion, and drugs are not only promoted, but are acted out on stage.

It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out what honors God and what does not honor God. When I became a christian I quit listening to a lot of worldly music because I was single at the time and the music really promoted immorality. I think it is a individual thing though. What hinders one person in their walk with God may not be a problem to someone else.

 

[Jeff Mills]

I come in late on this discussion and am somewhat surprised to hear that true spirit-filled born-again Christians can play such utter rubbish in a church environment where the Holy Spirit is present. Worship is supposed to bring the presence of the Lord, but that type of music must frighten him away!

I want to ask you people who are FOR this type of music if anything has changed in you from the day you got saved. I want to spend as much time as possible each day in His presence and not with one foot in the world. We should be going from glory to glory being more like Him each day. If I have not gone forward with God in one week then I class myself as a backslider.

What am I trying to put over? We are not of this world. We might live in it, but we do not have to adapt to it. By the way the person on this forum who says he hopes to play a few jigs for Christ in heaven should know that there can be no beat as there is no time in heaven. You wont be playing, you will be too busy worshiping Him.

Where are the acceptable songs that a whole family can sing in a church together? I am glad the heavy metal in NOT played in any of the churches that I preach in.

 

[Fnerb]

I come in late on this discussion and am somewhat surprised to hear that true spirit-filled born-again Christians can play such utter rubbish in a church environment where the Holy Spirit is present. Worship is supposed to bring the presence of the Lord, but that type of music must frighten him away!

I want to ask you people who are FOR this type of music if anything has changed in you from the day you got saved. I want to spend as much time as possible each day in His presence and not with one foot in the world. We should be going from glory to glory being more like Him each day. If I have not gone forward with God in one week then I class myself as a backslider.

What am I trying to put over? We are not of this world. We might live in it, but we do not have to adapt to it. By the way the person on this forum who says he hopes to play a few jigs for Christ in heaven should know that there can be no beat as there is no time in heaven. You wont be playing, you will be too busy worshiping Him.

Where are the acceptable songs that a whole family can sing in a church together? I am glad the heavy metal in NOT played in any of the churches that I preach in.

How are artists like Jeremy Camp, Casting Crowns, Kutless, Newsboys, Michael W. Smith, Third Day .... how are the songs they sing not songs of praise and worship to our Lord?

 

[Jeff Mills]

How are artists like Jeremy Camp, Casting Crowns, Kutless, Newsboys, Michael W. Smith, Third Day .... how are the songs they sing not songs of praise and worship to our Lord?

Hi Fnerb, I apologise for the late reply but we have had no electricity for the past 18 hours. Thats life on the mission field. Re your post, actually I was referring to this new fad of heavy metal and bip bop or whatever you call it! The artists you mention have very good worship music.

 

[Fnerb]

Hi Fnerb, I apologise for the late reply but we have had no electricity for the past 18 hours. Thats life on the mission field. Re your post, actually I was referring to this new fad of heavy metal and bip bop or whatever you call it! The artists you mention have very good worship music.

Ah yes. I haven't heard any "bip bop" stuff. I will agree though that you do need to be careful where you use even music from the artists above. I know you wont be seeing it in any church services in our synod any time soon. : :wink:

 

[Cheryl]

Greeting in Jesus Name who is our hope of salvation.
I love Christian music, it is a way to worship the King of glory. I love to hear the bands of drums & all that fast loud music. I have a 17 year old who I try to make sure that we go to Churches that have both kinds of music. So this topic really got my attention.
I'm 49, but I still like my music loud & I love Christian music: southern Gospel music groups (Crabb Family), & contemporary, some countywestern too. & those sweet old time favorites.
When it comes to music I believe their is a time & place for everything. Will we rock with Jesus? Bible says we will fall at His feet, then we do jam, how? maybe with songs of the Lord we never even heard or the music down human history all written to praise Him.
One thing for sure heaven will be great not for the music but the fact that we all will see our Redeemer face to face, Wow! that makes me want to shout, dance & sing in His Name.
Is there a wrong kind of Christian music, God can use anything to bring Him glory. But remember that satan was given the roll of making music, see Ezekiel 28: 1-26. Sure we should enjoy music, & when it comes to glorifying the Lord that's what it should help us to do, if it doesn't then maybe it is not from God.
The Holy Spirit is our Teacher & Helper, we should ask Him to show us what is right before the Lord. I know God uses some hard Christian music to reach kids who would never hear the Gospel in any other way, but I've seen some of these groups & their concerts & to me they look no different than hard core world's. Again I didn't say all, I said some.
We are living in the Last Days, we must be wise in all our ways. Again in the Book of Ezekiel 10, when God left the Temple because of false worship, oh man, Jesus is going to call the Church home soon, I ask myself what will He find the Church doing?
Any way my two cents worth.
:B-fly: Rev. 5, oh there will be music in heaven what a joy that will be. PTL!

 

[dancing queen]

I have been to a Christian rock worship event. It was awesome and God was really there. The lyrics could have been for a 'normal' worship song, so who cares what the style of music is.

I, and many people I know, find it hard to worship to the traditional organ style cause it just doesn't connect with me and my life. I know worship is nothing to do with what I get out of it, but I find it easier to set aside everything and turn my heart to God when I connect to the music.

Mosh pits definetly have a place in many worship events, at an event at easter I witnessed people using crowd surfing as part of their prayer response. People should be encourage to find God in anything their lives connect to, the idea of more modern styles of music being unchristian is pushing teenagers away from the church. Its not the style of music thats the problem, just life styles often associated with it.

 

[Cheryl]

Yes of course one should be allowed to worship our God the way that allow us to be connected to Him. But I truly believe it still has to be in connection with the Holy Spirit. I've seen "Christian rock" concerts where people where holding up the devil's sign because they got caught up in the music. I'm not saying that any music with a beat is wrong, oh my I love Christian music. But I think we has a body of Christ should be careful of the wilds of the devil. Does it bring me pleasure only or am I bring praise to the King of kings.
I've never questioned people on their forms of worship, only ask, if Jesus was here right now would we listen to that or do this?, I know I too have to ask myself the same question, there has been times where God in the Holy Spirit told me "No". In this case I Must obey the Spirit not what I want.
I hope all of us as believers will enjoy the music that will bring Him glory & also bring us joy too.

:B-fly: Keep the faith!

 

[Lewis]

The bottom line is' that Christian music does not become' Christian music' until you put the lyrics in. Folks it's all in the lyrics. There is no such thing as Christian music' without the lyrics. So when you take Christian lyrics and put them to rock' metal' R&B and so on. They become Christian music. And God loves it. God is the one who created all forms of music. It was in the mind of God first, before He even formed us. Christian lyrics added to heavy metal' make it a christian song' do you get the picture ?

 

[Guest]

The bottom line is' that Christian music does not become' Christian music' until you put the lyrics in. Folks it's all in the lyrics. There is no such thing as Christian music' without the lyrics. So when you take Christian lyrics and put them to rock' metal' R&B and so on. They become Christian music. And God loves it. God is the one who created all forms of music. It was in the mind of God first, before He even formed us. Christian lyrics added to heavy metal' make it a christian song' do you get the picture ?

I would disagree - I believe that it is the intent of the song, the character of the musicians, and the ministry of the music that would make it 'christian'.

If AC/DC played a DC TALK song - would you call it "Christian" music?

 

[Lewis]

I would disagree - I believe that it is the intent of the song, the character of the musicians, and the ministry of the music that would make it 'christian'.

If AC/DC played a DC TALK song - would you call it "Christian" music?

So when the character of the musicians and singers is right' with God' He will hear and honor the song. I already know that. I am a musician ' and I have found out' that us musicians and singers are to play and sing to God because He is our main objective and audience. So yes are hearts should be right. But still if you take a AC-DC song and change all the lyrics to Christian lyricsit will become a Christian song' period. Now the hearts of them singing this song is another matter.

 

[Guest]

So when the character of the musicians and singers is right' with God' He will hear and honor the song. I already know that. I am a musician ' and I have found out' that us musicians and singers are to play and sing to God because He is our main objective and audience. So yes are hearts should be right. But still if you take a AC-DC song and change all the lyrics to Christian lyricsit will become a Christian song' period. Now the hearts of them singing this song is another matter.

But what about the other way around?

What if AC/DC took a Christian song and played it? Would you consider it "Christian Music"?

Would AC/DC be a Christian band, while they played that one song?

 

[Lewis]

But what about the other way around?

What if AC/DC took a Christian song and played it? Would you consider it "Christian Music"?

Would AC/DC be a Christian band, while they played that one song?

Yes it would still be a Christian song. It would be just that they are not saved. I don't think that God will honor the song' or He just might. But it will still be a Christian song. Why because of the lyrics. And if AC-DC did a Christian song it would sound to me like God is drawing them.

John 6:44 (King James Version)

44No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

 

[Guest]

The bottom line is' that Christian music does not become' Christian music' until you put the lyrics in. Folks it's all in the lyrics. There is no such thing as Christian music' without the lyrics. So when you take Christian lyrics and put them to rock' metal' R&B and so on. They become Christian music. And God loves it. God is the one who created all forms of music. It was in the mind of God first, before He even formed us. Christian lyrics added to heavy metal' make it a christian song' do you get the picture ?

Is Phil Keagy Christian music.

 

[Cheryl]

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Lewis W wrote:
The bottom line is' that Christian music does not become' Christian music' until you put the lyrics in. Folks it's all in the lyrics. There is no such thing as Christian music' without the lyrics. So when you take Christian lyrics and put them to rock' metal' R&B and so on. They become Christian music. And God loves it. God is the one who created all forms of music. It was in the mind of God first, before He even formed us. Christian lyrics added to heavy metal' make it a christian song' do you get the picture ?

Ok i read this above here, no God did not write all music. God is the Creator that is true, but some music the devil wrote himself, i believe it Ezek. 13 states this. I will look that up to make sure that is the right verses.
If the music that is to glorify the Lord sounds just like the world's then it cannot be to His glory. We are to show Christ in all we do & say. The devil is
very good a telling lies, & have deceived many people with music, we have to be very wise in thes days in which we are looking for our blessed hope.
No not all music is of God, & God did not give rock & roll to glorify His name.
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[Lewis]

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Lewis W wrote:
The bottom line is' that Christian music does not become' Christian music' until you put the lyrics in. Folks it's all in the lyrics. There is no such thing as Christian music' without the lyrics. So when you take Christian lyrics and put them to rock' metal' R&B and so on. They become Christian music. And God loves it. God is the one who created all forms of music. It was in the mind of God first, before He even formed us. Christian lyrics added to heavy metal' make it a christian song' do you get the picture ?

Ok i read this above here, no God did not write all music. God is the Creator that is true, but some music the devil wrote himself, i believe it Ezek. 13 states this. I will look that up to make sure that is the right verses.
If the music that is to glorify the Lord sounds just like the world's then it cannot be to His glory. We are to show Christ in all we do & say. The devil is
very good a telling lies, & have deceived many people with music, we have to be very wise in thes days in which we are looking for our blessed hope.
No not all music is of God, & God did not give rock & roll to glorify His name.
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You are wrong. I am not talking about anything that the devil wrote.

 

[dancing queen]

I think you may need to decide what you mean by Chrisitan music compared to worship music.

If its an instrumental being played by a Christian band and used in worship, then the lack of lyrics probably don't make it non-Christian. I have used non Christian music to worship - does that make it Christian? On the other hand, a song about how Christ died to save the world sung by a non Christian would still be Christian music as the message didn't change but it would not be worship.

 

[Vic C.]

Is Phil Keagy Christian music.

No, Phil is a male, Christian artist. He records for a Christian label and he does incorporate lyrics into his music. So for me, it's part Christian music and part instrumental played by a Christian artist.