The Muslim or the Christian?

[Tina]

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one of my questions earlier was, what do you attempt to accomplish by posting such lewd and slanderous stuff? Especially since the info in that article is not taught by Muslims.

Not taught by Muslims ? .. But this is wikiislam website. Are you sayig that the site is not reliable at all ??

I'm not making up stuff based on wild imaginations (though I admit I have quite a bit of that. :D ) ... Neither do I have any intentions to slander your religion unnecessarily with baseless accusations.


The "penis erection" part is from historical records as recorded by a Abu al-Fida (1273 – 1331 AD) who was a Muslim geographer and historian. According to the wikiislam site, Ali ibn Abi Talib, the fourth rightly guided Caliph of Islam (and also Muhammad's son-in-law and cousin) had exclaimed upon seeing Muhammad's lifeless corpse: "O prophet, thy penis is erect unto the sky!" ... And the attempted cover-up is also recorded in your Quran ..


Abu Dawud 20:3147
Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas: The Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) was shrouded in three garments made in Najran: two garments and one shirt in which he died.



How do you reckon that ?? ....

 

[jasoncran]

mujahid we had a former muslim here who reccomended wikislam, he and one other former muslim both used that as a source, they werent americans but brits originally born in pakistan. one is an athiest and the other a christian. (gabe).
the moderator gabe post the jihad reports and if want to look around the site for his posts and you will see what he thought of islam.

since i cant defend his statements properly i choose not to use them. as i am not knowledgeable enough in islam, but i have seen where he gets that stuff based on what i saw in afghanistan. and i also know that not all muslims are like that, to which gabe agrees.

 

[elijah23]

My point....If a Muslim followed those commandments,he would not be a muslim....Reason...You can't love Christ without believing that He is the Son of God!!!!

Jesus is God in flesh, I believe. By loving God, it seems to me you also love Jesus, even if you aren't aware of it.

Simple question..Do you believe Christ died and rose from the dead?

Yes.

 

[elijah23]

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If a Jew accepts God, then perhaps in God’s eyes, he has also accepted Jesus.

Doesn’t this make more sense than a loving God sending all Jews, Muslims, and everything else you can think of to hell?

You have a very narrow and warped understanding of the Bible. What is your religious affiliation or denomination ? Do you even know how a person is saved ??

Read this scripture carefully ....


Romans 10:8-13
But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart†that is, the word of faith which we preach : that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.†For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. For “whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved.â€

I am a United Methodist.

If you want to be saved from the consequences of your sin, this might help:

For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16 RSV

If you want to go to heaven, this might help:

From that time Jesus began to preach, saying, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." Matt 4:17 RSV

 

[jasoncran]

salvation causes both. one is set free from the sin consequences and then set for the course of heaven , actually eventually a bodily ressurection. but that is another debate.

 

[elijah23]

salvation causes both. one is set free from the sin consequences and then set for the course of heaven , actually eventually a bodily ressurection. but that is another debate.

I don’t think so. I think salvation is when the Lord straightens out our lives for us after we’ve messed them up. I think heaven is the peace of mind we have when we stop sinning.

 

[jasoncran]

salvation causes both. one is set free from the sin consequences and then set for the course of heaven , actually eventually a bodily ressurection. but that is another debate.

I don’t think so. I think salvation is when the Lord straightens out our lives for us after we’ve messed them up. I think heaven is the peace of mind we have when we stop sinning.

negatory, read the book of revalation and tell me what the last chapter say on our ressurection and location.

trust me legalistic thinking like this, whew, i dont look at porn anymore i must be a good person now. cause some problems.

 

[elijah23]

salvation causes both. one is set free from the sin consequences and then set for the course of heaven , actually eventually a bodily ressurection. but that is another debate.

I don’t think so. I think salvation is when the Lord straightens out our lives for us after we’ve messed them up. I think heaven is the peace of mind we have when we stop sinning.

negatory, read the book of revalation and tell me what the last chapter say on our ressurection and location.

trust me legalistic thinking like this, whew, i dont look at porn anymore i must be a good person now. cause some problems.

I didn’t say you’re a good person. I said you have peace of mind.

 

[jasoncran]

but that's not heaven only a glimpse of what the lord will be like when we can be with him forever.

heaven is where the lord dwells now. but not at the coming of the new age, the new earth and the new heavens.

matthew 5:5 the meek shall inherit the earth.

 

[elijah23]

but that's not heaven only a glimpse of what the lord will be like when we can be with him forever.

heaven is where the lord dwells now. but not at the coming of the new age, the new earth and the new heavens.

matthew 5:5 the meek shall inherit the earth.

How do you know? Heaven, I suspect, is a state of sinlessness. Indeed, God lives there. The new earth and heavens, I suspect, is the resurrection.

 

[jasoncran]

my bible tells me so. we have peace when have christ but are we always at peace when we lose a loved one, are dying from cancer.sometimes we must just trust the bible and let that be our source. that peace isnt exactly blissful just a deep trust in the lord.

 

[elijah23]

my bible tells me so. we have peace when have christ but are we always at peace when we lose a loved one, are dying from cancer.sometimes we must just trust the bible and let that be our source. that peace isnt exactly blissful just a deep trust in the lord.

It’s easier to trust the Lord when our consciences our clear, isn’t it?

 

[jasoncran]

of course, but that the isnt same as heaven.

 

[elijah23]

of course, but that the isnt same as heaven.

How do you know?

 

[jasoncran]

the bible describes heaven in part see revalation.

 

[elijah23]

the bible describes heaven in part see revalation.

Does Revelation say that heaven is not a clear conscience?

 

[jasoncran]

the bible describes heaven in part see revalation.

Does Revelation say that heaven is not a clear conscience?

it describes heaven as the dwelling place of the lord, and also his holiness and the judgments. it also using a lot imagery that has a meaning to it that is to be taken literally.

ezekiel saw visions of the lord, so did john, daniel , isaih. all trembled and quaked.

 

[Adullam]

Jesus gave us two commandments to obey: to love the Lord with all our hearts, souls, and minds, and to love our neighbors as ourselves. If a Muslim succeeds in obeying these two commandments and a Christian fails, which will go to heaven?

The Muslim of course!

Those who love Jesus Christ obey Him.

If you love me, keep my commandments. John 14:15

The modern faithful Muslim could be seen as the ancient good Samaritan. Jesus saves whom the Father gives Him.

 

[Adullam]

I think a person might be kidding themselves is they think a Muslim who obeys the commandments of Jesus will go to hell, while a Christian who disobeys those commandments will go to heaven, don’t you?

We have built the foundations of Christendom on this fallacy.

 

[Adullam]

Ok, if we are being honest here, I firmly believe anyone who believes salvation can be achieved apart from Jesus Christ is deluding themselves and doing other souls a great injustice by telling them otherwise.

Why did Jesus give us commandments?

The Commandments were given to man to reveal to us our sin nature.
One can be saved through Jesus and still be guilty of breaking a commandment. One can be saved by earnestly trying to hold up the commandments AND by salvation through Jesus, but not by the commandments alone. If that were the case, why does Hebrews tells us the New Covenant is superior to the old one?

Why was Paul chosen to spread the Gospel to the Gentiles? Could you tell us what Paul's gospel message was to the Gentile nations?

Paul’s writings in the Bible are extensive. I have read all of them more than once.

I am troubled that Christianity is not centered around the teachings of Jesus, seemingly. They are centered around Paul. Paul says all the law rests on one commandment—that you love your neighbor as yourself. Jesus said all the law rests on two commandments—first, that you love the Lord with all your heart, mind, and soul, and second, that you love your neighbor as yourself. Who, then, do I believe—Jesus or Paul? I believe Jesus.

Yes, Jesus will be there to save us throughout all eternity. John 3:16 tells us so. But if you want to enter heaven, you have to repent of your sin, I believe:

From that time Jesus began to preach, saying, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." Matt 4:17 RSV

Pauls' message was to the collective church not to the individual. People read Paul out of context. Jesus Christ spoke to the heart....and still does! :yes