The Pope and Doctrine

[Christ the King]

This is why we have to focus on Jesus and not on any human.

We're only human... LoL... On a lighter note...
Turn up the bass and enjoy...

 

[WIP]

Anyway there isn't much I can do now. Trying to find another church just seems like such a headache with countless denominations and I doubt there will be one that is perfect anyway.
I think im better off just staying put and worshiping God in the RCC

Just remember not everything spoken under the umbrella of a church denomination is truth. Therefore, it is our duty to read, study, meditate, and pray with Scripture to know what is good.

Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
1 John 4:1 NKJV

And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
Romans 12:2 NKJV

Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.
Colossians 2:8 NKJV

 

[humble soul]

Do you think one of us on this forum is closer to the truth than everybody else?
Because they read so much scripture?
Because they pray more?
Because they are most virtuous?
I seriously doubt it. its not like there are a limited number of places in Heaven.
The competitive spirit alone is unspiritual imo. we are not competing against each other. we are here to support each other.
sorry if i am not living up to that.

 

[humble soul]

I agree.
I do want to add that he does have some power over leaders of other countries...they visit him,,,they talk,,,it may have an effect, it may not.
Some country leaders looked up to Billy Graham for advice...I think it's the same only on a wider scale.

Some persons do love the Pope too much -- is this the same as our being called to love everyone? Maybe not...maybe this goes to HEARING HM instead of hearing Jesus? Only they could know this.
I do know that Catholics tend to talk a lot about the church and the Pope and not enough about Jesus and the words in the bible.

I brought up the discussion of doctrine because this Pope does seem to be more Protestant in nature than the others. I was wondering if others felt like this but we may not have enough Catholics here for this discussion.

No problem.

re Pope being more Protestant
I think many Protestants dislike Francis because he is too progressive.

 

[Margo75]

This pope is definitely for a world-wide religion.
That they are all equal and should be able to get along together is at the least of his desires. Some prominent Protestants were photographed with him and were in agreement. I can't think of any right now....but in the upper echelons of the Protestant denominations.

Why do you not like the Nostra Aetate?
Because it refers to other religions besides the jews?

Nostra Aetate goes on about how Muslims are cherished as they believe in one god .. doesn;t matter that Allah is formerly the moon god and one of 360 gods/goddesses and a man-made god and that their Jesus Christ aka Isa is not the Christian Jesus Christ and Muslims do not accept deity of Christ .. RCC considers all protestants heretics but Muslims will go to Heaven

 

[for_his_glory]

I respect your opinion but it's got nothing to do with the topic of the thread.
I understand the views of both Protestants and Catholics and see right and wrongs in both. But im not into such debates or defending the the wrongs of the RCC.
God Bless

Not debating but giving some facts. Take them or leave them. Just throwing it out there as I felt it was pertinent to all the discussions.

God bless.

 

[GodsGrace]

Do you think one of us on this forum is closer to the truth than everybody else?
Because they read so much scripture?
Because they pray more?
Because they are most virtuous?
I seriously doubt it. its not like there are a limited number of places in Heaven.
The competitive spirit alone is unspiritual imo. we are not competing against each other. we are here to support each other.
sorry if i am not living up to that.

You're living up to it !
Jesus IS THE TRUTH,,,,
But we like to talk about the bible...
Sometimes someone will say something that makes a light go on.
I like that.
And sometimes the talk forces us to rethink things or reread and we get a new perspective.

We're not here to be competitive.

 

[Christ the King]

The competitive spirit alone is unspiritual imo

That's a profound statement.
This concept known as the "competitive spirit" is an attribute that people and nations pride themselves on. It drives society, economy and unfortunately religion as well.

Compete - "strive to gain or win something by defeating or establishing superiority over others."

The "competitive spirit" (desire to beat an opponent) is not God's will for us in society or religion. The Holy Spirit does not lead us to competition and division.

I would argue that the competitive spirit, outside of sport, is the will of Satan. The same competitive spirit that has torn Christianity apart.

 

[WIP]

You're living up to it !
Jesus IS THE TRUTH,,,,
But we like to talk about the bible...
Sometimes someone will say something that makes a light go on.
I like that.
And sometimes the talk forces us to rethink things or reread and we get a new perspective.

We're not here to be competitive.

This is correct and the direction our site owner wants us to go. We're not here to promote or foster competition but instead to bring unity.

 

[WIP]

That's a profound statement.
This concept known as the "competitive spirit" is an attribute that people and nations pride themselves on. It drives society, economy and unfortunately religion as well.

Compete - "strive to gain or win something by defeating or establishing superiority over others."

The "competitive spirit" (desire to beat an opponent) is not God's will for us in society or religion. The Holy Spirit does not lead us to competition and division.

I would argue that the competitive spirit, outside of sport, is the will of Satan. The same competitive spirit that has torn Christianity apart.

Discussion of various differences is not necessarily competitiveness or a bad thing. Sometimes it is good to do, especially if we don't take it personally but instead get inspired to study further and test what is presented against Scripture and truth.

 

[Christ the King]

Discussion of various differences is not necessarily competitiveness or a bad thing. Sometimes it is good to do, especially if we don't take it personally but instead get inspired to study further and test what is presented against Scripture and truth.

That type of discussion isn't driven by competitiveness, (a desire to beat an opponent)

Can a conversation be fruitful if one party has a desire to beat the other?
Would you say a competitive spirit comes from the Holy Spirit?
Did Jesus ever display a competitive spirit?

 

[GodsGrace]

re Pope being more Protestant
I think many Protestants dislike Francis because he is too progressive.

But the liberals LOVE him....
He even said he can't comment on homosxls.
He said even remarrieds could receive Communion.
Catholics have never had a more liberal Pope.

 

[GodsGrace]

Nostra Aetate goes on about how Muslims are cherished as they believe in one god .. doesn;t matter that Allah is formerly the moon god and one of 360 gods/goddesses and a man-made god and that their Jesus Christ aka Isa is not the Christian Jesus Christ and Muslims do not accept deity of Christ .. RCC considers all protestants heretics but Muslims will go to Heaven

Yes,,,I keep hearing about this moon god.
Isn't ALLAH just the Arab word for God??

I think their problem is that they worship Muhammad more than the one true God.

I DO believe there is only one true God...maybe there are different names for Him. Indians called Him the Great Spirit.

As to Jesus...Agreed.

As to the CC: It believes that Protestants are going to heaven but that they don't have the entire truth.

 

[GodsGrace]

That's a profound statement.
This concept known as the "competitive spirit" is an attribute that people and nations pride themselves on. It drives society, economy and unfortunately religion as well.

Compete - "strive to gain or win something by defeating or establishing superiority over others."

The "competitive spirit" (desire to beat an opponent) is not God's will for us in society or religion. The Holy Spirit does not lead us to competition and division.

I would argue that the competitive spirit, outside of sport, is the will of Satan. The same competitive spirit that has torn Christianity apart.

I agree.
But just disagreeing and presenting our view is not competitive, is it?

The goal would be the measuring stick.
Are we trying to win...
or are we trying to gain a different perspective?
Sometimes a disagreement over something could go on for a few posts without necessarily being in a competitive mode.

 

[WIP]

As to the CC: It believes that Protestants are going to heaven but that they don't have the entire truth.

That isn't how I have understood the Catholic position. My understanding is that non-Catholics are lost and this is in part why we are not allowed to commune with Catholics.

 

[Christ the King]

I agree.
But just disagreeing and presenting our view is not competitive, is it?

The goal would be the measuring stick.
Are we trying to win...
or are we trying to gain a different perspective?
Sometimes a disagreement over something could go on for a few posts without necessarily being in a competitive mode.

True, i wasn't referring to anyone or any discussion in particular. I just had never thought of the "competitive spirit" in that way.

Any sadness felt by my words are not of this forum but of the dividing history of Christianity. I was so naive a year ago. I thought there was only a hand full of denominations that were friendly.

Learning about all the splits and schisms in the last year has been painful. Seeing Satans work in our churches has been disheartening. I couldn't believe it when I was told that there are over 45,000 Christian denominations, it brought me to tears and so I used that sorrow to pray for all the Churches and for the salvation of all Christians.

That's why I will try my best not to be competitive and not to react to provocations.

 

[humble soul]

re some other Christian forums:
there will always be at least one poster who claims to own a truer truth than someone else. And it seems to become more about THEM owning the truth than the alleged truth they are pointing to. Egos get in the way unfort.

 

[Christ the King]

re some other Christian forums:
there will always be at least one poster who claims to own a truer truth than someone else. And it seems to become more about THEM owning the truth than the alleged truth they are pointing to. Egos get in thecway unfort.

Haha my truth is truthfully truer than yours... No mine is... No mine...
But all jokes aside, human ego and pride is what the evil one uses to create division.

 

[GodsGrace]

That isn't how I have understood the Catholic position. My understanding is that non-Catholics are lost and this is in part why we are not allowed to commune with Catholics.

We are not allowed to commune (receive communion?) with Catholics because we do not believe in transubstantiation.

The CC does NOT believe Protestants are lost.

This is from the Catechism of the Catholic Chruch...1992
Ordered by Pope John Paul II

CCC no. 1271
1271 Baptism constitutes the foundation of communion among all Christians, including those who are not yet in full communion with the Catholic Church: "For men who believe in Christ and have been properly baptized are put in some, though imperfect, communion with the Catholic Church. Justified by faith in Baptism, [they] are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians, and with good reason are accepted as brothers by the children of the Catholic Church." "Baptism therefore constitutes the sacramental bond of unity existing among all who through it are reborn."

 

[GodsGrace]

True, i wasn't referring to anyone or any discussion in particular. I just had never thought of the "competitive spirit" in that way.

Any sadness felt by my words are not of this forum but of the dividing history of Christianity. I was so naive a year ago. I thought there was only a hand full of denominations that were friendly.

Learning about all the splits and schisms in the last year has been painful. Seeing Satans work in our churches has been disheartening. I couldn't believe it when I was told that there are over 45,000 Christian denominations, it brought me to tears and so I used that sorrow to pray for all the Churches and for the salvation of all Christians.

That's why I will try my best not to be competitive and not to react to provocations.

You're not aware of all my posts in these years here. So you won't know that I am also very saddened by this.

I believe that the reformation was necessary....but I also know that it brought about all this division. I'm torn about this and very saddened.

I believe Catholics are more united than Protestants.
And the Orthodox even more so.