The Pope and Doctrine

[humble soul]

gotta love EO

 

[for_his_glory]

Ephesians 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

but, over 4000 different religions claiming their doctrines and gods are the truth!!!

BTW wondering Allah is another name given for Hubal the fertility pagan moon god of the Kaba. Hubal was worshipped way before Islam and the time of Muhammad in the Arab nations.

 

[Christ the King]

I believe that the reformation was necessary....but I also know that it brought about all this division. I'm torn about this and very saddened.

From what I learnt in the past year the reformation did bring about a lot of division, even most of the divisions but not all.

The schism of the 11th century saw the Orthodox Church and the Catholic Church split. I believe it was the first major split in Christianity.

I recently finished a slow study of the Gospel of John. One think that struck me is that division over Christ was already happening when he came to this world some 2000 years ago.

The division of Christianity from Judaism begins with the Pharisees and Sadducees rejecting the Word Jesus.

One might argue that the first division among Christians is described in John 6: 60-71 which is titled "Many Disciples Desert Jesus" in the NIV
60 On hearing it, many of his disciples said, “This is a hard teaching. Who can accept it?”
Jesus continued to reveal the truth then 66 From this time many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him.

Another example of division over Jesus is described in John 7: 40-44.
40 On hearing his words, some of the people said, “Surely this man is the Prophet.”
41 Others said, “He is the Messiah.”
Still others asked, “How can the Messiah come from Galilee? 42 Does not Scripture say that the Messiah will come from David’s descendants and from Bethlehem, the town where David lived?” 43 Thus the people were divided because of Jesus. 44 Some wanted to seize him, but no one laid a hand on him.

It seems people can't see what the evil one has done to Christianity. These people continue to try and divide us. They continue to provoke, they try to insult, they hate, they lie and do much more to divide.

 

[GodsGrace]

From what I learnt in the past year the reformation did bring about a lot of division, even most of the divisions but not all.

The schism of the 11th century saw the Orthodox Church and the Catholic Church split. I believe it was the first major split in Christianity.

I recently finished a slow study of the Gospel of John. One think that struck me is that division over Christ was already happening when he came to this world some 2000 years ago.

This is true of course.
The verse in 1 John 2:19 is sometimes used to support that salvation is forever no matter what....but it really was John's concern about gnosticism spreading in the Christian faith.
His letter was written in about 90 AD and already heresies were flourishing...which, BTW, we have the CC to thank for keeping them at a distance.

1 John 2:19
They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.

The division of Christianity from Judaism begins with the Pharisees and Sadducees rejecting the Word Jesus.

At about the time of the destruction of the Temple,,,Christians were no longer welcomed in Synogogues.

One might argue that the first division among Christians is described in John 6: 60-71 which is titled "Many Disciples Desert Jesus" in the NIV
60 On hearing it, many of his disciples said, “This is a hard teaching. Who can accept it?”
Jesus continued to reveal the truth then 66 From this time many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him.

Another example of division over Jesus is described in John 7: 40-44.
40 On hearing his words, some of the people said, “Surely this man is the Prophet.”
41 Others said, “He is the Messiah.”
Still others asked, “How can the Messiah come from Galilee? 42 Does not Scripture say that the Messiah will come from David’s descendants and from Bethlehem, the town where David lived?” 43 Thus the people were divided because of Jesus. 44 Some wanted to seize him, but no one laid a hand on him.

Some left Jesus because His teachings were too difficult, it seemed to them. Or they were too different from what they were used to,,,Hebrews 6:4-6....or, as above, He was stating that we had to eat His body to be saved. Ideas that were too new.

It seems people can't see what the evil one has done to Christianity. These people continue to try and divide us. They continue to provoke, they try to insult, they hate, they lie and do much more to divide.

:nod

 

[Christ the King]

wondering
I gotta say this forum has been refreshing with members like yourself showing a very respectful and measured approach.

I started a thread called "born again Christians" as I didn't really understand that term or how salvation is viewed among Protestants. I have a question but I'm afraid people will take offence and become hostile. If u could go in there and join the discussion that would be great as u know the RCC and will probably understand my confusion.
Cheers

 

[Christ the King]

wondering.
I think u said u live in Italia. Im sleeping when u r awake cos I live in Australia.
Before you go over to the thread about being born again can u help me get a better perspective of the protestant church's?

I have this picture of 2 churches; the RCC and the Prots. But that's wrong isn't it?
There are many churches in the protestant denomination so how is the authority structured?
U know the RCC... . O Santo Padre is the authority The Vatican

So how does it work with Protestant churches? Do they have Catechisms or can anyone interpret scripture their own way? And what are the main topics of division? Im guessing salvation is one

 

[GodsGrace]

wondering
I gotta say this forum has been refreshing with members like yourself showing a very respectful and measured approach.

I started a thread called "born again Christians" as I didn't really understand that term or how salvation is viewed among Protestants. I have a question but I'm afraid people will take offence and become hostile. If u could go in there and join the discussion that would be great as u know the RCC and will probably understand my confusion.
Cheers

Will check it out after lunch...

 

[GodsGrace]

wondering.
I think u said u live in Italia. Im sleeping when u r awake cos I live in Australia.
Before you go over to the thread about being born again can u help me get a better perspective of the protestant church's?

I have this picture of 2 churches; the RCC and the Prots. But that's wrong isn't it?
There are many churches in the protestant denomination so how is the authority structured?
U know the RCC... . O Santo Padre is the authority The Vatican

So how does it work with Protestant churches? Do they have Catechisms or can anyone interpret scripture their own way? And what are the main topics of division? Im guessing salvation is one

Protestants are divided by denominations.
Each denomination has a Statement of Faith (much like this forum does).
The statement of Faith states what that particular denomination believes to be true as expressed in scripture.
There are many denominations:
Lutheran
Methodist
Assemeby of God
Nazarene
Seventh Day Adventists
Baptists
Anabaptists
Pentecostals
Reformed

there are many.
Each one has some particular belief or other; for isntance, some believe that one MUST be baptized to be saved. Others do not,
but they do believe one should be baptized. The reformed believe that God predestined man either to salvation of to be damned,,,,this is the famous belief known as TULIP. Assembly of God churches believe one speaks in tongues if he has the Holy Spirit. 7th Day Adventists believe we should worship on Saturdays and so we are all breaking the 3rd commandment. You could find out more on the internet....there's a lot to know...but even if you just hang around you'll learn a lot. Try the theology and biblical studies and Thological Discussion forums. You need permission for the last one from JLB. Through discussion (or reading them) you can learn a lot.

Each denomination has a head,,,or leader. For instance, the head offices for the Nazarene church are in Youngstown Ohio. The Pastor of each Nazarene church must adhere to their methods and beliefs. Each chuch has a committee to oversee the finances and to choose a new pastor if one should leave that church.

So, yes, you're right. To say that one is Protestant does not signify exactly what they believe...but their denomination will. Protestant is just an umbrella term.

As to interpreting scripture....
Each denomination does have its beliefs as to what verses mean.
However, it is more accepted that a person can understand any particular verse in their own private way. This is called exegesis.

If someone just stays at home and wants to interpret the bible in his very own way...this is called eisegesis and is really not acceptable within Christianity.

This is also known as Sola Scripture: Scripture alone is the authority.

Solo Scriptura: A person makes his own authority. (not acceptable).

There are also many non-denominational churches. I won't even get into that...they each have their very own S of Faith and the leader is an individual person...personally, I don't care for these churches.

That's all I can think of.
Regarding salvation....that will be in the other post.
LUNCH TIME!

 

[jasonc]

Westminster Shorter Catechism - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[jasonc]

My church has that . reformed for the win ..