The Pros & Cons of Preterism

[Alabaster]

So let me get this straight: the only advantage for the preterist is that he (or she) is a "tool of Satan" destined to burn in the same fiery hell every other unsaved sinner is?

If that's an "advantage", I'd like to see your idea of being disadvantaged.

Where did I say that preterists are all unsaved and burn in hell? Put those inflammatory words in the bin where they belong!

They are deceived, only, and miss the joy of comprehending the full counsel of the word.

 

[Stormcrow]

Where did I say that preterists are all unsaved and burn in hell?

Figured that went with the territory of being "Satan's tool." ing

 

[reba]

Ladies and Gentlemen:


Keep it polite!









Peggy Lipton the Mod Squad
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[Alabaster]

Figured that went with the territory of being "Satan's tool." ing

Many Christians are sadly deceived and useful to the devil. It doesn't mean they are depraved Satan worshipers---or lost...just deceived. By much prayer, the Lord can correct them.

 

[Sinthesis]

Re: The Road Back to Preterism ~

It's a pipe dream. Look around you---the world teems with sin and degradation and war after war!!

Oh wow! You're right! How could I have missed that? I feel so deceived.4

One part of loving your neighbor as yourself is giving your neighbor a little credit. As a partial preterist, when I see certain prophecies as fulfilled, I am not viewing their fulfillment as you have imagined. There is a precedent.

Mat 17:10 - And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come?
Mat 17:11 - And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.
Mat 17:12 - But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them.
Mat 17:13 - Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist.​

 

[Stormcrow]

Preterism appears to me to be the devil's way to wrest away the urgent message of salvation...The advantage is only in the minds of those who concocted this abysmal belief, who have a poor grasp of the word.

They are deceived, only, and miss the joy of comprehending the full counsel of the word...

Many Christians are sadly deceived and useful to the devil. It doesn't mean they are depraved Satan worshipers---or lost...just deceived. By much prayer, the Lord can correct them.

I'm neither preterist, nor Roman Catholic, but when it comes to inflammatory speech, I've seen more than anyone should have to coming from some on this site. It's a shame that it's virtually impossible to discuss the Word in a civil manner without these libelous insinuations constantly thrown around by some people here.

I have tried to be polite and respond in a good-natured way to some of this stuff but - quite frankly - I'm tired of it.

Peace. Over. And Out.

 

[reba]

I'm neither preterist, nor Roman Catholic, but when it comes to inflammatory speech, I've seen more than anyone should have to coming from some on this site. It's a shame that it's virtually impossible to discuss the Word in a civil manner without these libelous insinuations constantly thrown around by some people here.

I have tried to be polite and respond in a good-natured way to some of this stuff but - quite frankly - I'm tired of it.

Peace. Over. And Out.

Sadly i agree Storm. And I have done my share of blasting. Your posts are appreciated! Common sense frightens some folks, but not everyone...

 

[Lehigh3]

They are deceived, only, and miss the joy of comprehending the full counsel of the word.

! Sorry, but do not project ignorance into my camp!

The "joy" is the journey AND the destination. Blinded dispensationalists "can't " wait for the world to end (don't even have the virtue to say can hardly wait!) - & they spew only the bad news till it does. I pity them. Sounds like life is "empty" all around.
Those who base their faith on sotierology rather than end-times reap the good stuff- bc they didn't just complain & sit back & curse this world we live in now- they work & sow into it with "good seed."

By this we reap a steady harvest of blessings, in "good" time.

We know it is impossible to please God with works of the flesh.



You must be really happy for the U.S. today anyway-

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I know Storm, I am tired of what is allowed here too. I consider always the source.
And I'm glad that I can make $ rather than swat flies (or mosquitoes actually!) It's much more lucrative & positive to do. But I have enjoyed your posts & input as well.;)

 

[reba]

The information posted here for the most part has been interesting. I would hate to see the thread locked

 

[Elijah674]

The information posted here for the most part has been interesting. I would hate to see the thread locked

Hi Gal, don't lock it yet, just have these one post revelent posting for who they are working for, surely they can attest to Loving Christ? The problem so far, is that Matt. 10:25 finds 'some' here posting [MATERIAL] that is not popular or even truthful as others see it. (regardless of which side that one is on!) So they take it personal or at least that is a tactic that 'some' shoot back with! And that was, nor is not the Truth at all! So what is the motive behind this stuff?? It just could be a satanic 2 Cor. 4:2 tactic (well learned by the way) to make theirself look good? or to get the sympathy of the common folks here? for DECEPTION, and there is a question mark there, for some just might post back that one said that they were thenselves nameless liars?? (See Korah in Num. 16:3's false love!)

But, gal, this is NOTHING PERSONAL, who knows 'anything' abouth these ones? (which ever side as stated, that they are on?) Stupid, Ignorant, foolish, on Milk or Meat?? Who knows their heart or mind? who would ever of thought that Saul (Paul) would TOTALLY GIVE UP TO CHRIST in Acts 9:6?? Whatever?

Yet, Matt. 24:21 on.. WILL TAKE PLACE with both rome & these preterist ones doctrine convincing 'most' that Christ is here ! And if one want to know what 'some' think of [THIS THREAD'S] Postings, try this thread.. Re: Who is Mystery Babylon ?

---Elijah

 

[Alabaster]

! Sorry, but do not project ignorance into my camp!

The "joy" is the journey AND the destination. Blinded dispensationalists "can't " wait for the world to end (don't even have the virtue to say can hardly wait!) - & they spew only the bad news till it does. I pity them. Sounds like life is "empty" all around.
Those who base their faith on sotierology rather than end-times reap the good stuff- bc they didn't just complain & sit back & curse this world we live in now- they work & sow into it with "good seed."

By this we reap a steady harvest of blessings, in "good" time.

We know it is impossible to please God with works of the flesh.



You must be really happy for the U.S. today anyway-

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I know Storm, I am tired of what is allowed here too. I consider always the source.
And I'm glad that I can make $ rather than swat flies (or mosquitoes actually!) It's much more lucrative & positive to do. But I have enjoyed your posts & input as well.;)

I am extremely tired of what is tolerated in these forums. Preterism goes against the grain of Christianity. It divides. Born again Christians are joint in their love for Jesus Christ who saves them and are just as united in their awaiting His glorious return.

Preterism is an island unto itself and brings disunity---I think---just for the sake of it.

 

[reba]

There are many ideas, theories, doctrines, etc posted in these forums which ( i believe) go against Christianity.

The thing to do from MPOV is to move on. Let the those who wish a discussion have the discussion. The truth will bear out.

 

[Alabaster]

There are many ideas, theories, doctrines, etc posted in these forums which ( i believe) go against Christianity.

The thing to do from MPOV is to move on. Let the those who wish a discussion have the discussion. The truth will bear out.

The discussion is about the pros and cons of Preterism. I stand up for the cons. What about you?

 

[Lehigh3]

Born again Christians are joint in their love for Jesus Christ who saves them and are just as united in their awaiting His glorious return.

Preterism is an island unto itself and brings disunity--I think just for the sake of it.

First of all, life isn't always how you want it to be. People will disagree with you throughout life & you have to accept that & move on to something you are "pro" for. Maybe you can still learn how to play piano & guitar (like me) It's just a suggestion. After all, we shouldn't just waste our talents to do something for the kingdom in this world now should we?!
If your faith is just based on 1 commandment - then the 2nd commandment of loving thy neighbor & doing them no harm means nothing to those who do not contribute to the welfare of others. They ask amiss bc it is selfish ambition (that I see in the spirit.)

Born-again in name only if one does not walk in the Spirit. And Paul described the works of the flesh in his epistles. If one overwhelming & obviously walking in the flesh, God cannot filter through that "soul" (mind, will & emotions) being in charge. The Spirit must be 1st for one to hear God's voice.

You are allowed to talk about your opinion & thoughts "just for the sake of it"

But I consider a good exegesis of scripture & historical proof to support that opinion.

If you don't like it here, let's not waste time & discuss the cons of end-time madness that is worshiped by a waning few in number, thank God.

 

[TRUTH over TRADITION]

I am extremely tired of what is tolerated in these forums. Preterism goes against the grain of Christianity. It divides. Born again Christians are joint in their love for Jesus Christ who saves them and are just as united in their awaiting His glorious return.

Preterism is an island unto itself and brings disunity--I think just for the sake of it.

It's amazing how we as professing christians have a tendency to be some of the most closed minded people one will ever meet. At times we (myself included) speak as if those who do not believe as we believe are wrong and divisive when in fact it may be us who are being divisive and uncompromising on something perhaps we SHOULD be compromising on.

Preterism does go against the grain of orthodox christianity and that has been the case for about 1800 years. We however, must aske ourselves deeper questions than we have been and be able to honestly say whether we are being loyal to what is orthodox at the expense of what may be true. Jesus was not exactly considered "orthodox" by the religious regime of his day and he in fact was very divisive. He even said that he came to divide and that he 'brought a sword'. The fact is that TRUTH is divisive. Some will accept it, many will deny it, while others will ignore it, but none of that changes whether or not truth is true. I find it very disheartening when christians struggled so much with the affliction of not letting the facts get in the way of their opinions. We need to do better.

 

[Vic C.]

she is mainly adressing full preterism. alabaster needs to differiante between partial and full.

I SO agree with this Jason. :yes


Many people speak out against other end times beliefs, but actually know little about the overall position other than, it doesn't agree with their belief. My philosophy is, get to know the other positions better; that will either help you strengthen your own or point out some problems or errors in your beliefs.

 

[Alabaster]

It's amazing how we as professing christians have a tendency to be some of the most closed minded people one will ever meet. At times we (myself included) speak as if those who do not believe as we believe are wrong and divisive when in fact it may be us who are being divisive and uncompromising on something perhaps we SHOULD be compromising on.

Preterism does go against the grain of orthodox christianity and that has been the case for about 1800 years. We however, must aske ourselves deeper questions than we have been and be able to honestly say whether we are being loyal to what is orthodox at the expense of what may be true. Jesus was not exactly considered "orthodox" by the religious regime of his day and he in fact was very divisive. He even said that he came to divide and that he 'brought a sword'. The fact is that TRUTH is divisive. Some will accept it, many will deny it, while others will ignore it, but none of that changes whether or not truth is true. I find it very disheartening when christians struggled so much with the affliction of not letting the facts get in the way of their opinions. We need to do better.

Lies divide. Truth unites believers. There is a reason that Preterism has been a fringe element of Christianity for so long---it is aberrant.

 

[Vic C.]

Lies divide. Truth unites believers. There is a reason that Preterism has been a fringe element of Christianity for so long---it is aberrant.

I feel the very same way about the "slain in the Spirit" movement but you do not see me jumping down the throats of those who believe in such things. I believe those secure enough in their faith are not easily rattled and as such, can express themselves in a light that emulates our Master.

It's amazing how we as professing christians have a tendency to be some of the most closed minded people one will ever meet. At times we (myself included) speak as if those who do not believe as we believe are wrong and divisive when in fact it may be us who are being divisive and uncompromising on something perhaps we SHOULD be compromising on.

I agree. This mentality has bothered me for years. Not for one moment do I believe the Lord takes away our ability to incorporate our god-given common sense with our Spiritual discernment. That's what gives us the ability to discern the 'spirits'.

I'd be careful about using Origen as a source. The guy had some pretty heretical ideas.

That's true. He was known for exaggerating and misrepresenting facts. From what I've read, he misquotes people and gets dates wrong.

Oh wow! You're right! How could I have missed that? I feel so deceived.4

One part of loving your neighbor as yourself is giving your neighbor a little credit. As a partial preterist, when I see certain prophecies as fulfilled, I am not viewing their fulfillment as you have imagined. There is a precedent.

... as there should be.

 

[Alabaster]

LOL! Never heard of the 'Slain In The Spirit (SITS) Movement'!!

 

[Lehigh3]

LOL! Never heard of the 'Slain In The Spirit (SITS) Movement'!!

I hadn't heard it called that either. We had visiting pastors to our church which were of the Pentecostal denom. Many even at my home church had the "anointing"

I hadn't heard it called "slain" Nor did my friends- but we certainly experienced the power of the anointing when they laid hands on us to "cure" problems. And it works for most!

Oh, back to topic!