The rapture keeps coming back

[for_his_glory]

When people say things like this i wonder why? Because most people who say this consider their words as teaching, which is no different then Matt henry, gill, wiggleworth and any other commentary

I guess I would consider the things I write as being commentaries on scripture and can only pray that what I feel I am hearing from the Holy Spirit is truth as I alone will be held accountable before the Lord. No matter whose commentaries we read we also need to discern truth from error by testing the spirits that are speaking so we know what is truth and what is error, 1John 4:1-6.

 

[reba]

 

[for_his_glory]

By Brett McCracken, Christianity Today

Are Americans more enraptured with the Rapture than ever? Seth Rogen's 2013 apocalypse comedy, This Is the End, poked fun at the concept, while the cinematic "reboot" of Left Behind, starring Nicolas Cage, takes it seriously. The bleak HBO drama The Leftovers, developed by Damon Lindelof (co-creator of Lost), explores what life would be like for those left behind after a Rapture-esque event.

The Rapture is a relatively recent idea in church history, as well as a minor theme in Scripture: Many Bible scholars argue that it's not there at all, while descendants of 19th-century dispensationalists see it in passages like 1 Thessalonians 4:15–17; 1 Corinthians 15:51–55; and John 14:2–3. But it has become a fixture in U.S. pop culture, showing up unexpectedly like a thief in the night.

And what do you say about it?

I think you might mean the Pretrb Rapture being recently taught back in the 1800's. The Rapture has always been taught in scripture as scripture calls it being caught up to the clouds to meet Jesus in the air, 1Cor 15:51-58; 1Thessalonians 4:13-18.

 

[for_his_glory]

The death I mentioned is brought upon the righteous by Yahweh, not via suicide if that is what you meant. The Almighty takes the righteous away from the evil to come. He does not rapture us away, but takes us away in death. Many saints will die in the Great Tribulation until a predetermined number have died (Rev 6:11). Then the Day of Yahweh will begin as He pours out His wrath upon the wicked.

Sorry, I thought you were referring to a pretrb rapture.

 

[Malachi]

The word rapture, or rapio, or rapturo, is Latin.
It's from the Latin Vulgate.
It was written by Jerome in the year 405.
It is hardly likely anyone used the word before then.

While the word *rapture* is derived from the Vulgate (and in the Vulgate it is *rapiemur*) that does not change the fact that in Scripture (which is over 2,000 years old) the word harpagesometha has always been present, and was translated as *caught up together* in the KJV and *rapiemur* in the Vulgate. The doctrine and truth of the Rapture is indeed a Bible truth, and since it has absolutely no relationship to God's wrath or the time of Tribulation on this earth, it is an IMMINENT Rapture. Which also makes it a Pre-Tribulation Rapture.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

While the word *rapture* is derived from the Vulgate (and in the Vulgate it is *rapiemur*) that does not change the fact that in Scripture (which is over 2,000 years old) the word harpagesometha has always been present, and was translated as *caught up together* in the KJV and *rapiemur* in the Vulgate. The doctrine and truth of the Rapture is indeed a Bible truth, and since it has absolutely no relationship to God's wrath or the time of Tribulation on this earth, it is an IMMINENT Rapture. Which also makes it a Pre-Tribulation Rapture.

Okay, fine.
I disagree
And I accept that.

 

[jocor]

While the word *rapture* is derived from the Vulgate (and in the Vulgate it is *rapiemur*) that does not change the fact that in Scripture (which is over 2,000 years old) the word harpagesometha has always been present, and was translated as *caught up together* in the KJV and *rapiemur* in the Vulgate.

Actually, harpagesometha was translated "shall be caught up" in the KJV. The Greek word ama was translated "together".

 

[jocor]

The doctrine and truth of the Rapture is indeed a Bible truth, and since it has absolutely no relationship to God's wrath or the time of Tribulation on this earth, it is an IMMINENT Rapture. Which also makes it a Pre-Tribulation Rapture.

Do you believe the resurrection occurs at the 7th (last) trumpet of Rev 11:15?

 

[Malachi]

Actually, harpagesometha was translated "shall be caught up" in the KJV. The Greek word ama was translated "together".

Scrivener's Textus Receptus 1894
ἔπειτα ἡμεῖς οἱ ζῶντες οἱ περιλειπόμενοι, ἅμα σὺν αὐτοῖς ἁρπαγησόμεθα [literally "together with them shall be caught away"] ἐν νεφέλαις εἰς ἀπάντησιν τοῦ Κυρίου εἰς ἀέρα· καὶ οὕτω πάντοτε σὺν Κυρίῳ ἐσόμεθα.

King James Bible
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Latin Vulgate
Deinde nos, qui vivimus, qui relinquimur, simul rapiemur cum illis in nubibus obviam Christo in aera, et sic semper cum Domino erimus.
[Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord .]

 

[Malachi]

Do you believe the resurrection occurs at the 7th (last) trumpet of Rev 11:15?

The seven trumpets of Revelation announce GOD'S WRATH. The last trumpet for the saints announces GOD'S SALVATION. Big difference.

 

[jocor]

Scrivener's Textus Receptus 1894
ἔπειτα ἡμεῖς οἱ ζῶντες οἱ περιλειπόμενοι, ἅμα σὺν αὐτοῖς ἁρπαγησόμεθα [literally "together with them shall be caught away"] ἐν νεφέλαις εἰς ἀπάντησιν τοῦ Κυρίου εἰς ἀέρα· καὶ οὕτω πάντοτε σὺν Κυρίῳ ἐσόμεθα.

King James Bible
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Latin Vulgate
Deinde nos, qui vivimus, qui relinquimur, simul rapiemur cum illis in nubibus obviam Christo in aera, et sic semper cum Domino erimus.
[Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord .]

Does this mean you disagree with my post or are you supporting the truth of it?

 

[jocor]

The seven trumpets of Revelation announce GOD'S WRATH. The last trumpet for the saints announces GOD'S SALVATION. Big difference.

You didn't answer my question. Do you believe the resurrection occurs at the 7th (last) trumpet of Rev 11:15? Yes or No.

 

[Malachi]

You didn't answer my question. Do you believe the resurrection occurs at the 7th (last) trumpet of Rev 11:15? Yes or No.

Short answer "No".

 

[Malachi]

Does this mean you disagree with my post or are you supporting the truth of it?

Your post was merely a deflection. So now we have the actual Scriptures.

 

[reba]

Watch the snarks ..

 

[jocor]

Your post was merely a deflection. So now we have the actual Scriptures.

Perhaps this color coding will help you.

Scrivener's Textus Receptus 1894
ἔπειτα ἡμεῖς οἱ ζῶντες οἱ περιλειπόμενοι, ἅμα σὺν αὐτοῖς ἁρπαγησόμεθα [literally "together with them shall be caught away"] ἐν νεφέλαις εἰς ἀπάντησιν τοῦ Κυρίου εἰς ἀέρα· καὶ οὕτω πάντοτε σὺν Κυρίῳ ἐσόμεθα.

Greek New Testament Interlinear - eSword
1Th 4:17 επειταG1899 THEN ημειςG2249 WE οιG3588 THE ζωντεςG2198 [G5723] LIVING οιG3588 WHO περιλειπομενοιG4035 [G5742] REMAIN, αμαG260 TOGETHER συνG4862 WITH αυτοιςG846 THEM αρπαγησομεθαG726 [G5691] SHALL BE CAUGHT AWAY ενG1722 IN "THE" νεφελαιςG3507 CLOUDS ειςG1519 FOR "THE" απαντησινG529 MEETING τουG3588 OF THE κυριουG2962 LORD ειςG1519 IN "THE" αεραG109 AIR; καιG2532 AND ουτωςG3779 THUS παντοτεG3842 ALWAYS συνG4862 WITH "THE" κυριωG2962 LORD εσομεθαG2071 [G5704] WE SHALL BE.

KJV
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

As I said, "Actually, harpagesometha was translated "shall be caught up" in the KJV. The Greek word ama was translated "together".

 

[reba]

colours are use to confuse the moderators 2

 

[jocor]

Short answer "No".

OK. So when is the "last trump" when the resurrection takes place? Do you see it in Scripture?

 

[jocor]

colours are use to confuse the moderators 2

Hopefully Malachi will not be confused.

 

[Malachi]

OK. So when is the "last trump" when the resurrection takes place? Do you see it in Scripture?

Absolutely. The last trump (the trump of God) is for the Church, and when the Church is complete, the last trump will summon the Church to Heaven, but Christ Himself shall descend and ascend back with the Church. Only God knows the day and the hour, and it has absolutely nothing to do with the 7th trumpet in Revelation.