the rapture

[warfrog]

Nehemiah 8:18
Also day by day, from the first day unto the last day, he read in the book of the law of God. And they kept the feast seven days; and on the eighth day was a solemn assembly, according unto the manner

• John 6:39
  And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
  John 6:38-40 (in Context) John 6 (Whole Chapter)
• John 6:40
  And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
  
  
• John 6:44
  No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
  John 6:43-45 (in Context) John 6 (Whole Chapter)
• John 6:54
  Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
  John 6:53-55 (in Context) John 6 (Whole Chapter)
• John 7:37
  In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.
  
  
• John 11:24
  Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
  
  
• John 12:48
  He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

There ya go.:yes

Thank you,

So how do any of those not speak of our resurrection being the last day?

The only one that even remotley sounds in difference is John 12:48 but it is speaking regarding those who are judged for not recieving Him, that judgement is not being raised in Him, for they have not recieved Him, therefore they have no part in the last day. Which shows that if you present the scripture from when Jesus Began speaking about it, to when He stops later in that verse.

I have shown you why the resurrection according to scripture is the last day, and that the last day means literally inheriting everlasting life, therefore being the last day.

So now that you have presented those scriptures did you read them?
They all speak of the same event, our begining inheritance, being given incorruption through the Lord Jesus Christ.
So what have i posted at all today that is againts that, has it not all been regarding that very resurrection?

Grace to you, peace from God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Hitch]

Thank you,

So how do any of those not speak of our resurrection being the last day?

The only one that even remotley sounds in difference is John 12:48 but it is speaking regarding those who are judged for not recieving Him, that judgement is not being raised in Him, for they have not recieved Him, therefore they have no part in the last day. Which shows that if you present the scripture from when Jesus Began speaking about it, to when He stops later in that verse.

I have shown you why the resurrection according to scripture is the last day, and that the last day means literally inheriting everlasting life, therefore being the last day.

So now that you have presented those scriptures did you read them?
They all speak of the same event, our begining inheritance, being given incorruption through the Lord Jesus Christ.
So what have i posted at all today that is againts that, has it not all been regarding that very resurrection?

Grace to you, peace from God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

What ever it is you're getting at last day means last day, you have said nothing at all to validate history progressing for another thousand years ,after the last day.

 

[Hitch]

I'll see if warfrog wants to answer this simple question. If he does not I will...:D

a blind monkey could do better.

 

[Hitch]

Thank you,

So how do any of those not speak of our resurrection being the last day?

The only one that even remotley sounds in difference is John 12:48 but it is speaking regarding those who are judged for not recieving Him, that judgement is not being raised in Him, for they have not recieved Him, therefore they have no part in the last day. Which shows that if you present the scripture from when Jesus Began speaking about it, to when He stops later in that verse.

I have shown you why the resurrection according to scripture is the last day, and that the last day means literally inheriting everlasting life, therefore being the last day.

Yawn Jesus says we have everlasting life before the resurrection , You dont quote Jesus much I've noticed

So now that you have presented those scriptures did you read them?
They all speak of the same event, our begining inheritance, being given incorruption through the Lord Jesus Christ.
So what have i posted at all today that is againts that, has it not all been regarding that very resurrection?

Grace to you, peace from God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[warfrog]

Yawn Jesus says we have everlasting life before the resurrection , You dont quote Jesus much I've noticed

I guess qouting all over scriptures isnt presenting what Jesus said?

I'm quite sure it is my friend, nothing in scriptures is mans work, all of it is presented through the Lord Jesus Christ by the will of the Father through the Holy Spirit.

All of those scriptures you presented speaking of the last day, what does every single one of them have in common Hitch? what is being spoken of in each one?

Grace to you, peace from God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[warfrog]

What ever it is you're getting at last day means last day, you have said nothing at all to validate history progressing for another thousand years ,after the last day.

Infact i have but your not listening, but lets continue on, ive asked you questions in the post above (i guess by above i actually mean the last post of the last page before this page, since this is a new page LOL), we can begin our next discussions from there?

Grace to you, peace from God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Prince]

To believe in a rapture one would have to throw out much of the bible thats the only way to stick a rapture theory in.....

 

[th1b.taylor]

Hi,I hope you do not get discouraged in this forum,there are a number of folks in here who know the bible reasonable well but don't really have a clue about honest interpretation of scripture, for them it is all about manipulation and ego,they are really easy to spot. There are also folks in here who really know God and are searching for what God has to say to us through the scriptures so if you have any ideas present them,however there are some who will attack you for saying your name(be prepared). In defense of this particular forum, the attacks have to be low key.

Thank you Brother but Iḿ a tough old War-Bird!
The VC and the NVA couldn't kill me and neither will these! I have no message other than what my LORD gives me to publish and He handles the flack from there.

 

[th1b.taylor]

To believe in a rapture one would have to throw out much of the bible thats the only way to stick a rapture theory in.....

Prince,
I have been involved with the daily study of the Word of God for 20+ years now, disproving what you have said. The Bible is the inerrant Word of God from Gen. 1:1 through and including the last Amen of Revelation!

 

[jasoncran]

Thank you Brother but Iḿ a tough old War-Bird!
The VC and the NVA couldn't kill me and neither will these! I have no message other than what my LORD gives me to publish and He handles the flack from there.

of topic isnt victor charlie and the north vietnamese army one and the same?

 

[Prince]

Prince,
I have been involved with the daily study of the Word of God for 20+ years now, disproving what you have said. The Bible is the inerrant Word of God from Gen. 1:1 through and including the last Amen of Revelation!

Just because you have been studying the word for 20 years does not prove me wrong, if you believe in the rapture then you are surely ignorant to some of the key end-time events mentioned in the bible.

Years dont make truth....

 

[Hitch]

I guess qouting all over scriptures isnt presenting what Jesus said?

I'm quite sure it is my friend, nothing in scriptures is mans work, all of it is presented through the Lord Jesus Christ by the will of the Father through the Holy Spirit.

All of those scriptures you presented speaking of the last day, what does every single one of them have in common Hitch? what is being spoken of in each one?

Grace to you, peace from God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Most of them are quotes from Jesus Christ stating explicitly when the resurrection will take place.

 

[Sam21]

Just because you have been studying the word for 20 years does not prove me wrong, if you believe in the rapture then you are surely ignorant to some of the key end-time events mentioned in the bible.

Years dont make truth....

Do you believe that the church will be gathered off the earth as described in Matt 24?

 

[Stormcrow]

victor charlie and the north vietnamese army one and the same?

VC = Viet Cong: South Vietnamese and Cambodian insurgents (and some regulars) supported by the North.
NVA = North Vietnamese Army: Soldiers of the regular army of the North.

VC as a fighting force disappeared after the Tet Offensive. We wiped out half their forces (about 40,000). All out offensives tend to do that to armies if they don't succeed. The VC was not an effective fighting organization after that.

Of course, you'd never had known we kicked their butts reading and watching our media. 2

Now, back to a topic that causes REAL war! :D

 

[n2thelight]

Both the Pre-trib and Pre-wrath positions have question marks that indicate that there is no fixed time for when they say the Rapture will occur. Mid-trib places the Rapture at the halfway mark, or three-and-a-half years from the beginning of the 70th Week. Post-trib fixes the Rapture at the completion of the seven-year period.

Pre-Tribulational Rapturism:
This is by far, the most common viewpoint in America today among those who believe in any one of the many Rapture theories. It's roots can be traced back to 1830, although it did not really become prevalent in America until the early 1900's. Pre-trib teaches this:

The final 7-year period of the world is called the Tribulation. The last 3.5 years are called the Great Tribulation.

The entire 7-year period is considered the Wrath of God or the Day of the Lord.

Since the Church is not destined for God's wrath, then the Church is Raptured prior to the 7-year period.

The Rapture is considered to be an "any moment" event.

This is wrong, wrong, wrong! The Tribulation is one event, it is the Great Tribulation: " For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be." {Matt 24:21}.

The 'Church' is protected by the Grace of God during the Tribulation: "I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee." {Heb 13:5} - It is not 'flown out' in some Rapture. They are confusing the wrath of God with the Tribulation of antichrist, God's wrath is not directed at the 'Church.' (The "Church" is the body of faithful believers, God's Elect). God's wrath occurs in the final minutes before the Millennium, and is His way of 'cleaning house,' so to speak.

Mid-Tribulation Rapturism:
This view is even more recent than pre-trib, becoming popular in 1941.
This view believes

The final 7 year period of the world is called the Tribulation.

The last 3.5 years are called the Great Tribulation.

The last 3.5 years are considered the Wrath of God or the Day of the Lord.

Since the Church is not destined for God's wrath, then the Church is Raptured at the mid-way point.

This is wrong, wrong, wrong! The "Day of the Lord" is not the Tribulation, it is the end of it. The "Day of the Lord" is the thousand year period spoken of in {Rev 20:2-5} and referred to as the "Millennium," which begins at the Second Advent:

"But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day." {2 Pet 3:8}. And this Rapture version is also in error, as in the first version, in that the Tribulation is only one event! This view also confuses the wrath of God with the Tribulation of antichrist

Pre-Wrath Rapturism:
This view believes:

The Day of the Lord is called the Wrath of God. The Day of the Lord starts sometime in the second half of the 7 year period. Since the Church is not destined for God's wrath, the Rapture of the Church occurs immediately prior to the Day of the Lord.

The Pre-Wrath position is not a new position of the Rapture teaching Churches. The only thing that is new is the name. They view that the Church would see Antichrist and be removed prior to God's judgment.

This is also wrong, wrong, wrong, but they are getting closer to the truth. They rightly say that the 'Church' will be here for the setting up of satan's kingdom (Great tribulation) but the then err in saying that they will be removed just prior to the antichrist's (satan's) arrival. By them saying above that: "The Day of the Lord starts sometime in the second half of the 7 year period," what they in essence are saying is that the "Day of the Lord" is half a day, or a third.... That just doesn't work! And again, this Rapture version is also in error, as in the first two versions, in that the Tribulation is only one event! This view also once again confuses the wrath of God with the Tribulation of antichrist.

Post-Tribulation Rapturism:
Post-trib was by far the most popular opinion (among Rapturists) during the time of the Reformation (16th century), but cannot be traced to a specific starting point. There are a lot of variations on this view but in its classic sense post-tribbers believe:

The church must endure the entire 7-year period, to be Raptured at the end of the Tribulation. God will protect his children through His wrath.

This is also in error, but they are the closest to the truth out of all Rapture theories. But they fall off right at the end. They rightly say that the 'Church' will be here for the setting up of satan's kingdom (Great tribulation) and that they will be here for the time of the false messiah antichrist. Then they make a nonsensical statement, they say that they will be Raptured up into the clouds at the end of the Tribulation and then turn right around and come back with Jesus at His Second Advent - this makes no sense at all!

This version errs in that they feel that only a portion of the people on the planet (the 'Church') will be removed before the wrath of God, which in fact commences the "Day of the Lord." But there is no selective removal before God's wrath is executed on the ungodly. The 'Church' witnesses the destruction of the ungodly but is itself protected from it. Observe this Scripture showing that some are destroyed while others yet REMAIN and witness that destruction of the ungodly: "And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven." {Rev 11:13}.

The fundamental error in all the above 'Rapture' scenarios is that they all, in one fashion or another, believe that at some point in time only a portion of the people will be removed. First of all, they misunderstand the Bible when it says that "all will be changed" to read "will be Raptured' The change is a change of body, it is us going from our flesh body into our spiritual body. and this happens to ALL people on the earth at Christ's coming AT THE SAME TIME! It is the consummation of the age, which is the beginning of the Millennium.

The below Scripture speaks of us going from our flesh body into our spiritual body. Those who are asleep (dead) have already changed into their spiritual body at the moment of their individual deaths. Their flesh corpse is the only thing in the grave. But those who shall still be living when Christ returns must also go into their spiritual bodies, but the are changed without actually dying a flesh death, they just discard these flesh 'Tabernacles' and the spiritual man emerges. For the in the Millennium we are no longer in our flesh bodies, but rather, we are in our spiritual bodies.

1 Cor 15:51-55
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? (KJV)
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[Stormcrow]

[FONT=&quot]Library of Date setters for end of the world![/FONT]

Scroll down to the beginning of the table in this link and see if you've ever fallen for any of the "cons" pushed by these false teachers. I have. Never again. I'm tired of being lied to: tired of being manipulated by con-men who use people's ignorance of the Bible and history to bilk millions out of them through the books they sell and the TV donations they receive.

I can understand why these false teachers enrich themselves at the expense of others. It's easy to prey on people's ignorance and fear.

What I don't get is people who push this garbage never receiving anything in return.

Enjoy the read.

 

[Stormcrow]

The Bible is the inerrant Word of God from Gen. 1:1 through and including the last Amen of Revelation!

Yes, it is, but do you understand it? Look at the following verse:

{9} ~'And because of all your abominations, I will do among you what I have not done, and the like of which I will never do again. Ezekiel 5:9 (NASB)

Now look at this one:

{21} "For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will. Matthew 24:21 (NASB)

Are Ezekiel and Jesus prophesying of the same event?

 

[th1b.taylor]

of topic isnt victor charlie and the north vietnamese army one and the same?

Not wanting to go off topic but no sir. The VC were local terrorists and the NVA were soldiers, in much the same manor as we were.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Just because you have been studying the word for 20 years does not prove me wrong, if you believe in the rapture then you are surely ignorant to some of the key end-time events mentioned in the bible.

Years dont make truth....

No, your right but the Bible is the Inerrant Word of God and to lie is to sin and God hates sin enough to send His most loved creation to Hell because of it. So the Bible is the Word of God, God doesn't lie and the Rapture is foretold there, in His Word! Now, you can be arrogant all you wish, you can even scream at me but being an ex-training NCO Iĺl bet my tonsils a bigger than yours. :nod

 

[warfrog]

No, your right but the Bible is the Inerrant Word of God and to lie is to sin and God hates sin enough to send His most loved creation to Hell because of it. So the Bible is the Word of God, God doesn't lie and the Rapture is foretold there, in His Word! Now, you can be arrogant all you wish, you can even scream at me but being an ex-training NCO Iĺl bet my tonsils a bigger than yours. :nod

Greetings,

May i ask you brother where is the rapture revealed in scriptures?

Grace to you, peace from God and the Lord Jesus Christ.