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The rich can't survive without the poor

Think about this for a moment Classik. The Welfare system in America is set up to penalize the poor for working. It's been this way since the 80's that I personally know of. I've known single mothers that wanted to get off Welfare, but when they got a minimum wage job, they didn't qualify for welfare and got their welfare taken away and they ended up making less with a job then on Welfare so they get stuck relying on the rich to support them.

How does this benifit the rich? And by rich I'm talking about the working class folk. It doesn't. It's a burden to society. So you have to ask yourself, who wins? Well, I'd say it's the politicians who win and even the huge corporations that lobby for certain bills for government funding to support the "poor" through those social programs. So in one aspect the rich are exploiting the poor and the poor can't survive without the rich...
 
I get the ideas from what I see on ground level.

Why is it that the very poor become dependent upon the rich? I am agreeing with you that the rich can't survive without the poor.

So why do the rich whom we speak about oppress the poor for their own benefit. We need only look to our Bible for that answer.

Now then, let us shift our focus to the world around us. Why does our government oppress the poor by making the poor dependent upon the government? What is the gain?

It's called systemic sin.
 
Sheer mark of cowardice:angry

Let the lion who calls himself 'lion' wrestle against a fellow lion, not against a praying mantis

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Potluck said:
How rich did Bill Gates have to be to start Microsoft?
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I don't think anyone got this, Rick. :yes

He was a poor college dropout eating Twinkies. MS-DOS wasn't his. He got that while working with IBM and their IBM-DOS. IBM's OS/2 was a joint venture. Bill went one way and IBM continues with OS/2.

The End Product was Windows, which actually ran on top of DOS. But before MS, "windows" was really an Apple design.

Bill sponged off the rich and inventive and in the process, became obscenely rich himself.

The poor don't have to remain poor, but there's this to consider:

For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul? (Mat 16:26)

This topic reminds me a little bit of this song by Tears for fears:

These things... That I've... Been told
Can rearrange My world
My doubt... In time... But inside out

This is the working hour
We are paid by those who learn by our mistake

This day... And age... For all
And not for one
All lies... And secrets... Put on
Put on and on

This is the working hour
We are paid by those who learn by our mistake

And fear is such a vicious thing
It wraps me up in chains

Find out, Find out, What this fear is about
Find out, Find out, What this fear is about
 
Actually, the poor cannot survive today without the rich. A poor person in the inner city cannot sustain himself, he actually relies on welfare provided largely by "rich" people.

Oh, sure, when I was poor (as a child) we lived on what was grown in the garden and on any unfortunate deer that wandered in front of dad's gunsight. (Can't eat venison to this day, got too much of it when I was young).

But today, for the most part, the poor live on gov't forced handouts from the rich (in this context, "rich" is anyone paying taxes).

The very wealthy like Bill Gates didn't get their money from the poor, they didn't even SELL the poor anything. What poor person can afford to wander into Babbages and pay $160 for Windows? :lol

The poor are a drain on society, they represent a cost and not any benefit. I have great compassion for those who are disabled, we should help them. But those who CAN work and won't should be allowed to starve on the streets. Because they would NOT starve, they would work and eat like the rest of us.

Most poor are poor because they are pieces of lazy human debris enabled by a broken political system that they have learned to manipulate. There is no definition of "greedy" better than an able bodied person who lives off the forced contribution of others.

(PLEASE don't post anything that disagrees with anything I just said ... it will only make you look like a fool.)
 
Does good exist without bad?
Does hot exist without cold?
Does rich exist without poor?
Does poor exist without rich?

It's all a matter of perspective.
 
Well, I don't know the nature of Pizzaguy's place of work. I believe such an environment (and most engineering environments) can't do without the servitude of the poor and less important people who usually do the heavy and difficult and onerous duties in companies.


They get things moving
 
jeff, has a point, welfare doesnt encourage you to get off it. if my daughter who is wanting to work as she cant find work.she will loose her healthcare and etc .

she isnt lazy or a slacker. but if she was. its easy to do work the system.
 
Classik said:
Well, I don't know the nature of Pizzaguy's place of work.
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Very hard to describe. We are about 1/2 R&D in my building and the other half is sales / tech support / systems design / with a good portion of technical product production.

I believe such an environment (and most engineering environments) can't do without the servitude of the poor and less important people who usually do the heavy and difficult and onerous duties in companies.
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The most difficult is probably sales, second most difficult is probably R&D.

The only "easy" or unskilled jobs we have are the shipping guy and the three people who process orders and process rebates.

There is no "heavy" work in our entire business. Manufacturing is in Japan and Taiwan. And since we manufacture radio equipment, there is no heavy industry or "heavy" work involved.

The people we could not do without are the sales guys - they get things moving! Without them, NONE of us have jobs. PERIOD. That is why they are paid better than even the V.Ps ! (Yea, no kidding. Just after I was hired, one of the V.P.s quit to go back to sales - he was good at it and I he openly admitted he was tired of living on a V.P.'s salary.)

It all starts with sales. I WISH I could sell, maybe I can - but I don't feel like I can.
 
"The rich can't survive without the poor"

Without the rich everybody would everybody be poor?
Without the poor would everybody be rich?

How about if everybody had the exact same amount of earthly goods. Would that appease?

So, let's see how we can do that.
How about we tear down some people so some other people can be raised up? There's just no way some people deserve just high positions. Had to be done through greed and knowing the right people.
That sounds fair to me.

We could make it so no matter what you did you couldn't get more than a certain amount of income. Say about $80,000 per year. That's about the upper part of the middle class but with all the money we save pretty much everybody could be given enough to reach an acceptable income. 50K per family anyway ... being conservative with those figures. If we can't save enough then everybody will just have to make do. With no rich people it won't matter anyhow.
That sounds fair to me.

We could divide up the land in the country into equal parts, build really nice houses and everybody one. For those in the city, well, some of those living spaces the rich have could be divided up to make living a bit more comfortable for everyone and it'll get the homeless off the streets.

Any company selling goods or services must charge only enough so profits don't exceed any more than 80K income per year for each employee. Well, on second thought, why have profits? It just gets too complex so what we can do is have people work the same amount of hours and the goods and services are allocated as people need them. I could work for the electric company providing people with power and others can work to assure I get the things I need too. Some to grow crops, some to build roads, some to make cloth, some to make food, some to build houses... etc. Then everybody is working for the good of the whole.
That sounds fair to me.

Let's see. What other things do people need?
Energy. How could I forget about that.
No oil. We could use bio-degradable synthetics for lubrication. Forget plastics.
Everybody could be self-sufficient in this area. Solar energy would be the way to go. Where we'd get all the silicon to make the wafers I don't know but we can provide scientists that will take care of the problem. No biggie.
What about the people in the cities? Well, we could put a windmill or two on top of each tall building that could supply power for each of the apartments.

What else? What else do people need?
Work ......
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Shelter ...
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Food ......
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Energy ...
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Yeah, that's about it.

Oh wait. Everybody gets one cell phone and one car (electric of course).

So, what do ya'll think? Fair enough?

Yeah, yeah. I know. It's all been tried before but we have a government that can fix anything, a government that won't let things get out of hand like those other inferior attempts. We could do it. After all, we're so much smarter and won't become snared in the pitfalls of engineered social equality. Especially if we can get rid of the Republican party in general. They would do nothing but get in the way so they can line the pockets of their buddies with the shirts off the poor people's backs. Add that to the list above of things to do. End the Republican party and get rid of conservatism. We could make such things illegal. It would be a big win for social justice.

There. That about covers it.

Sorry the post was soooo long but social engineering takes a tad more than just a couple short paragraphs you know.
 
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Potluck, this is fantastic!:thumbsup
Our governments usually leave their glasses at home - they always miss this kind of post:sad and when you tell them 'bout it they'd say: blurred, can't see well - my glasses are at home.

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StoveBolts said:
Aren't they now "stealing" from the rich?
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Well you can be wealthy... But then in the capitalist system you can be somthing beyond simply wealthy.

The CEO's of large banks for exsample on an average year they could expect probably 2million in basic salary and another 3 million as a end of year bonus.

Their are places in your country where police officers suggest "buy a gun" because they won't be able to respond to certain incidents due to underfunding. Or pepole who can't get any medical coverage.

To me it dosen't sit well... Is this man REALLY so precious so irriplaceible that that he's worth more than an entire hospital with an entire compliment of doctors and the jobs that would bring. WELL funded schooling The thing is the "invisible hand" of capitalisim isn't in anyones best intrests it's a doctrinal function that gives out the false impression of egalitarianism but only serves to centralize wealth.

When you also caculate in the fact that pepole like the man above recived benifits (in the form of a banking bailout to the tune of several trillion whitch dwarfs the entire welfair budget to the poor by a considerable amount) and the attitude to this is Republicans=VERY ADAMANT YES And democrats=YEAH OKAY!

I wouldn't mind "small government" in my country but it's the same lie begin pushed in your country.
It's not genuinely "small government" That's just a deflection and a lie.
Whats actually happening with those actions is that the poor are getting sacrificed to continue shoveling on the rich.
 
no peebles he has a point

I WAS DENIED HEALTHCARE FOR MY WIFE OVER MAKING 30 USD TOO MUCH. so if i quit one job then i would get free housing and also welfare.

remember whom the politicians work for, it often aint us but whomever scratches their back. both parties do this.

here obama shafted the unions with that keystone deal and shafted non-union workers with killing boeing moving to south carolina.
 
Good. Our gov should stop using the poor unnecessarily.

It seems our big guys don't pay or seldom pay taxes. The poor (now tell me they don't have money) don't miss it.

Bug and skin :bigfrown
 
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