we will not become perfect right away, being a follower of God is a learning process and one with many mistakes. but when we make a mistake, the Spirit will point it out to us and then we must be careful not to make it again. otherwise, wats to separate us from the unbelievers? when gold becomes purifies, it must first go through a refining process before it can be called pure. but if it refuses to become refined, to get rid of all its blemishes, it will be tossed out as useless. we have to let Christ refine us, and be willing to learn AND TURN from our mistakes, so that we can become pure as gold.
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(THE) said:
another problem for "christians" is that they think that Christ came to excuse their sin, not remove it. and we must remember, with God ALL things are possible! you mess up alot because you are a man, not a christian. even non christians mess up alot. but we become followers of Christ to follow Christ and not our sin nature. we must leave our sin nature and its desires at the cross, and follow Christ.
found the error earlier stated in this thread:
"Can anyone keep all the 10 commandments?
I thought that was the reason Christ had to die... because we can't keep the law."
that's a classic misunderstanding
The reason Christ had to die is to deliver us form the law of sin and death, not from the 10 commandments:
Romans 8:2 Â For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
If we walk in the perfect law of liberty that comes through grace in Jesus we have no problem with the 10 commandments, actually this IS the new man in Christ that is enabled to walk in them.
And the prove is:
John 14:21 Â He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
Manifest ! That's the actual reality of salvation outside of theology
Jesus confirmes 9 out of the 10 OT commandments in the NT. So he leaves the 4th commandment to be searched out for them that really want to know if it's now a 9 out of 10. Or still 10 out of 10. When you look carefully there is no gradual decrease, rather a greater demand stated by Jesus than to Moses:
Matthew 5:21 Â Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, .....But I say unto you
Matthew 5:27 Â Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, ....But I say unto you
Matthew 5:33 Â Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, ...But I say unto you
Matthew 5:38 Â Ye have heard that it hath been said,....But I say unto you
Matthew 5:43 Â Ye have heard that it hath been said, ...But I say unto you
He explains the real intention of the 10 commandments here, the spiritual side of it.
"Can anyone keep all the 10 commandments?
I thought that was the reason Christ had to die... because we can't keep the law."
that's a classic misunderstanding
The reason Christ had to die is to deliver us form the law of sin and death, not from the 10 commandments:
Romans 8:2 Â For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
If we walk in the perfect law of liberty that comes through grace in Jesus we have no problem with the 10 commandments, actually this IS the new man in Christ that is enabled to walk in them.
And the prove is:
John 14:21 Â He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
Manifest ! That's the actual reality of salvation outside of theology
Jesus confirmes 9 out of the 10 OT commandments in the NT. So he leaves the 4th commandment to be searched out for them that really want to know if it's now a 9 out of 10. Or still 10 out of 10. When you look carefully there is no gradual decrease, rather a greater demand stated by Jesus than to Moses:
Matthew 5:21 Â Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, .....But I say unto you
Matthew 5:27 Â Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, ....But I say unto you
Matthew 5:33 Â Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, ...But I say unto you
Matthew 5:38 Â Ye have heard that it hath been said,....But I say unto you
Matthew 5:43 Â Ye have heard that it hath been said, ...But I say unto you
He explains the real intention of the 10 commandments here, the spiritual side of it.
In an effort to get back to the topic of this thread which is what does sealed and marked mean I offer these thoughts. The word sealed is used in different ways. In some cases it means marked as in authenticated as God's child and protected from Satan. The presence of the Holy Spirit in our lives is our guarantee of that. Part of that definition is seen in the use of the word circumcised. In the O.T. it refered to the removal of the prepuse and was a sign of being seperated from the unclean world and dedicated to God. In the N.T. the term circumcision of the heart is used as a metaphor and still means seperated from the unclean world and dedicated to God. It should be evidenced by control of fleshly lust and removal of spiritual impurity or sin.
When you go to the word marked as in mark of the beast that word is understood when related to the branding of livestock and is the result of a complete commitment to the anti christ. The devoted followers of the anti christ will receive a brand on their foreheads or hands as a symbol of their commitment to him.
When you go to the word marked as in mark of the beast that word is understood when related to the branding of livestock and is the result of a complete commitment to the anti christ. The devoted followers of the anti christ will receive a brand on their foreheads or hands as a symbol of their commitment to him.
sheepdog said:
NOPE,,,,You must think satan is stupid or something.....There is no way people are going to get literal brands symbolizing they follow satan/antichrist.......Satan doesnt work like that......
anyway from looking at the text,,,we see
16And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
The bible says "IN" their foreheads ,,,,,,youre saying "ON" their forehead,,,,theres a differance :yes
What is (in) your forehead?????? Your Brain........
sadly i believe this is one of the biggest deceptions today... satan has deceived us into thinking it will be a big flesh mark so that is wat we look for, and sadly even many believers will be deceived by the mark and accept it because satan is very clever. Jesus even warns us that even the best of believers will be deceived and tells us to watch out. but it is by action (right hand) and mind. however,THE, we must not down talk our brothers or sisters, but share our views in love the way Christ has done.
klight said:
3behold, thou art wiser than Daniel; there is no secret that they can hide from thee:
4 with thy wisdom and with thine understanding thou hast gotten thee riches, and hast gotten gold and silver into thy treasures:
5 by thy great wisdom and by thy traffic hast thou increased thy riches, and thine heart is lifted up because of thy riches:
Indeed ,,,it seems satan is pretty sharp........
Im not down talking at all,,,,,Its important not to put satan in a physical box,,,,he doesnt operate like that.......The mark of the beast has been around for a long time...........
“It is well to remind the Presbyterians, Baptists, Methodists, and all other Christians, that the Bible does not support them anywhere in their observance of Sunday. Sunday is an institution of the Roman Catholic Church, and those who observe the day observe a commandment of the Catholic Church.†— Priest Brady, in an address reported in The News, Elizabeth, New Jersey, March 18, 1903.
“They [the Protestants] deem it their duty to keep the Sunday holy. Why? Because the Catholic Church tells them to do so. They have no other reason…The observance of Sunday thus comes to be an ecclesiastical law entirely distinct from the divine law of Sabbath observance…The author of the Sunday law…is the Catholic Church.†— Ecclesiastical Review, February 1914.
“It was the Catholic church which…has transferred this rest to Sunday in remembrance of the resurrection of our Lord. Therefore the observance of Sunday by the Protestants is an homage they pay, in spite of themselves, to the authority of the (Catholic) church.†— Monsignor Louis Segur, Plain Talk About the Protestantism of Today, p. 213.
“I have repeatedly offered $1,000 to anyone who can prove to me from the Bible alone that I am bound to keep Sunday holy. There is no such law in the Bible. It is a law of the holy Catholic Church alone. The Bible says, ‘Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.' The Catholic Church says: ‘No. By my divine power I abolish the Sabbath day and command you to keep holy the first day of the week.' And lo! The entire civilized world bows down in a reverent obedience to the command of the holy Catholic Church.†— father T. Enright, C.S.S.R. of the Redemptoral College, Kansas City, in a lecture at Hartford, Kansas, February 18, 1884, printed in History of the Sabbath, p. 802
"All the history books estimate the Catholic Church tortured and murdered between 50,000,000 to 150,000,000 people that they claimed were heretics. The following two quotes reveal who the Catholic Church refers to as heretics and the quotes that follow these explain and prove why they tortured and murdered these good Christians. It is also worth noting that most of these Christians they killed were actually Catholics themselves that disagreed with what the Church was doing. Select the following to watch a short video of a typical true story of the death of a Sabbath keeper by burning. This and much worse was very common in the Dark Ages by the Catholic Church.
“He is a heretic who does not believe what the Roman Hierarchy teaches.†— The American Textbook of Popery, p 164 (quoting from the “Directory for the Inquisitorsâ€).
“Heretics (those who are not members of the Catholic Church or who do not hold to Catholic doctrine) worship a God who is a liar, and a Christ who is a liar.†— St. Augustine, (quoted in “Patrologiae Cursus Completus: Series Gracaâ€, by Fr. J. P. Migne, Paris: 1866, 42:207).
http://www.the-ten-commandments.org/rom ... ments.html
“They [the Protestants] deem it their duty to keep the Sunday holy. Why? Because the Catholic Church tells them to do so. They have no other reason…The observance of Sunday thus comes to be an ecclesiastical law entirely distinct from the divine law of Sabbath observance…The author of the Sunday law…is the Catholic Church.†— Ecclesiastical Review, February 1914.
“It was the Catholic church which…has transferred this rest to Sunday in remembrance of the resurrection of our Lord. Therefore the observance of Sunday by the Protestants is an homage they pay, in spite of themselves, to the authority of the (Catholic) church.†— Monsignor Louis Segur, Plain Talk About the Protestantism of Today, p. 213.
“I have repeatedly offered $1,000 to anyone who can prove to me from the Bible alone that I am bound to keep Sunday holy. There is no such law in the Bible. It is a law of the holy Catholic Church alone. The Bible says, ‘Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.' The Catholic Church says: ‘No. By my divine power I abolish the Sabbath day and command you to keep holy the first day of the week.' And lo! The entire civilized world bows down in a reverent obedience to the command of the holy Catholic Church.†— father T. Enright, C.S.S.R. of the Redemptoral College, Kansas City, in a lecture at Hartford, Kansas, February 18, 1884, printed in History of the Sabbath, p. 802
"All the history books estimate the Catholic Church tortured and murdered between 50,000,000 to 150,000,000 people that they claimed were heretics. The following two quotes reveal who the Catholic Church refers to as heretics and the quotes that follow these explain and prove why they tortured and murdered these good Christians. It is also worth noting that most of these Christians they killed were actually Catholics themselves that disagreed with what the Church was doing. Select the following to watch a short video of a typical true story of the death of a Sabbath keeper by burning. This and much worse was very common in the Dark Ages by the Catholic Church.
“He is a heretic who does not believe what the Roman Hierarchy teaches.†— The American Textbook of Popery, p 164 (quoting from the “Directory for the Inquisitorsâ€).
“Heretics (those who are not members of the Catholic Church or who do not hold to Catholic doctrine) worship a God who is a liar, and a Christ who is a liar.†— St. Augustine, (quoted in “Patrologiae Cursus Completus: Series Gracaâ€, by Fr. J. P. Migne, Paris: 1866, 42:207).
http://www.the-ten-commandments.org/rom ... ments.html
“If you turn away your foot from the sabbath, from doing your pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shall honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words: 14 Then shall you delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause you to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed you with the heritage of Jacob your father: for the mouth of the LORD has spoken it.†Isaiah 58:13-14
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Act 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
1Co 16:2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.
Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,
The first day of the week. The day Jesus rose from the dead. Truly the Lord's day. What better day to keep. lol
Edit in: If you're in to keeping days etc. lol
1Co 16:2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.
Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,
The first day of the week. The day Jesus rose from the dead. Truly the Lord's day. What better day to keep. lol
Edit in: If you're in to keeping days etc. lol
"With Acts 20:7 it is claimed that the Sabbath must have been changed to Sunday because the verse says they are breaking bread on the first day if the week. You frequently hear statements like, “It is well documented that the early church adopted Sunday as their day of worship based on Acts 20:7.†But how often do you also hear Acts 2:46 quoted when Acts 20:7 is used as the supposed conclusive proof that the Sabbath was changed to Sunday in the Bible? Those who study their Bible will have also read Acts 2:46 that says they did this every day of the week! Acts 2:46 "And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,"
Acts 20:7 Breaking Bread or a Fellowship Meal and was it Sunday or Saturday Night?
In Biblical days, the first day of the week did not start at midnight but at sunset. All Bible days begin and end at sunset. This meeting was after sunset and before midnight on the first day of the week. This meeting was in fact on what we would call Saturday night or Saturday evening. So much for a Sunday meeting anyway! Paul was about to depart the next day and so this was a Sabbath meeting that had been extended very late into the night. So much so that Eutychus fell asleep (Acts 20:9) while listening to Paul’s long hours of preaching, and fell out the window. The Greek word parateino translated continued in Acts 20:7 means to (to stretch); to extend along, that is, prolong (in point of time)."
all taken from http://www.the-ten-commandments.org/sab ... hange.html
Acts 20:7 Breaking Bread or a Fellowship Meal and was it Sunday or Saturday Night?
In Biblical days, the first day of the week did not start at midnight but at sunset. All Bible days begin and end at sunset. This meeting was after sunset and before midnight on the first day of the week. This meeting was in fact on what we would call Saturday night or Saturday evening. So much for a Sunday meeting anyway! Paul was about to depart the next day and so this was a Sabbath meeting that had been extended very late into the night. So much so that Eutychus fell asleep (Acts 20:9) while listening to Paul’s long hours of preaching, and fell out the window. The Greek word parateino translated continued in Acts 20:7 means to (to stretch); to extend along, that is, prolong (in point of time)."
all taken from http://www.the-ten-commandments.org/sab ... hange.html
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klight said:
What have you seen God do on the Sabbath?
JudaicChristian
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The Lords day has always been Saturday, the seventh day. Scripture shows that the disciples kept the Sabbath. The disciples also preached the keeping of the commandments. The first day of the week is Sunday, however, the first day of the week after the (Sabbaths [plural]) is Monday. Scripture says that Mary did not attend Yahshua,s grave on Sunday; because that Sunday was a special sabbath were no work was to be done. That preparation day was Friday before the (Sabbaths) began.researcher said:Act 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
1Co 16:2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.
Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,
The first day of the week. The day Jesus rose from the dead. Truly the Lord's day. What better day to keep. lol
Edit in: If you're in to keeping days etc. lol
Vic C.
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The day of preparation was Wed. (Passover Eve.) for a Thurs. Passover followed by the weekly sabbath. He was crucified at what we would call 3PM on Passover eve and was resurrected sometime after sunset, our Sat. but before sunrise the following morning.
Mary tended to the grave just before sunrise Sunday morn. Mat 28:1, Mark 16:2, Luke 24:1, John 20:1 all point to Sunday morning.
Remember, in the heart of the earth for three nights and three days.
Mary tended to the grave just before sunrise Sunday morn. Mat 28:1, Mark 16:2, Luke 24:1, John 20:1 all point to Sunday morning.
Remember, in the heart of the earth for three nights and three days.
i still believe that God's seal is given to those who keep ALL of God's commandments, not out of legalism, but out of complete love and loyalty. Satans seal is given to those who dont
" * Satan now tries to wipe out God's Church by persecuting it though Nero. Christians are thrown to the lions and burnt at the stake but martyrdom only makes the Church grow stronger. All Satan can do now is stop as many people as possible from reaching the kingdom. God's law is still a primary target as it had been from the beginning.
* Satan realizes he can inflict more damage from within the Church and so gives His power, seat and authority to an Apostate Church. (Revelation 13:2)
* Satan needs to attack God's law and keep Christians living in wilful sin as no sacrifice covers wilful sin. (Hebrews 10:26-29) So Satan starts with the easiest Commandment as he had previously planned as early as 2000 B.C. See who changed the Sabbath to Sunday. The fourth Commandment defines who we worship so Satan changes the fourth Commandment through Constantine in 321 A.D. in honour of Sun worship. The Catholic Church makes it official in the Council of Laodicea (A.D. 336).
* Satan through an Apostate Church persecutes God's true Church for 1260 years and the Church has to flee into the wilderness leaving the persecuting Catholic Church ruling as Church and state. 50,000,000 to 150,000,000 are murdered and tortured as heretics through the dark ages. The fourth Commandment is nearly murdered out of existence and Satan has achieved his goal and a major victory on God's true Church.
* Towards the end of the dark ages (1517) Martin Luther discovers that the Papal Church is the antichrist power and gives birth to the Protestant Reformation. (Antichrist also means in place of Christ as the Pope claims to be God on Earth.)
* The Catholic Church holds the council of Trent, which started in 1545 and responds with the Counter Reformation in an attempt to have the finger pointed at either Nero or a fictional future Antichrist. See futurist and futurism Bible prophecy for more detail.
* The Protestant Reformation gives birth to many new Protestant Churches but they in ignorance continue to keep Sunday as the Sabbath.
* In 1798, Napoleon through his General Berthier ends the 1260 years of Papal rule and they no longer have power as Church and state. It was not long before they elected a new Pope but they were now just a Church with very limited power.
* In 1929, Benito Mussolini signs a concordat in Rome giving back to the Pope, not the whole city but over 100 acres which is now known as the Vatican. The power of the Roman Catholic Church is on the increase again as the Bible says that the deadly wound (Revelation 13:3) that stopped the Papal Church from its 1260 year rule will be healed and that they are going to be given power back by the second beast and enforce the mark of the beast being their mark. (Revelation 13:12-18)
* God uses the spirit of prophecy to help restore His fourth Commandment by raising up an end time movement as His Remnant Church. (Revelation 12:17) Note that Revelation 19:10 informs us that the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
* TODAY, most Christians are unaware of these facts and our adversary works very hard to keep it that way, and sadly, he has been very successful, especially since many resist accepting the truth about this Commandment that defines it is God we love and worship. There is only between 20,000,000 and 40,000,000 Christians in just over 500 different denominations that understand this very important fact that also defines it is God we give our allegiance to. Our allegiance is to God and not the Pope or even worse, our adversary that gave this Church their power and authority. (Revelation 13:2)
* The Papal system is the major theme in Revelation and Daniel because not long after Christ, SHE has continued to have a massive impact on what TRULY does matter to God, i.e., His Church. She is the root of many false doctrines, has changed God's law and shed the blood of millions of innocent Christians they called heretics etc. When Israel committed spiritual adultery, God called His Old Testament Church a “WHORISH WOMAN†and a “HARLOT†etc, and accused her of “FORNICATION†and “ADULTERY.†The Papal Church is guilty of much worse than Israel. Pope Benedict recently caused a major uproar among many Churches as he referred to the Catholic Church as being the “MOTHER†Church and called for all the daughter Churches to come back to HER. Many Churches today are called daughter Churches because they originally came from the Catholic Church, eg: Martin Luther, who had been a Catholic priest established the Lutheran Church. Sadly, many of the daughter Churches have also ignorantly inherited various false doctrines and this is why SHE is called the “MOTHER OF HARLOTS†and Mystery Babylon." - http://www.the-ten-commandments.org/sab ... phecy.html
again, if the mighty Lord we serve has told us to remember the sabbath and keep it holy, why do we ignore it, and try to use all the excuses in the book, even the Bible, as to why we dont have to? True love for God is willingness to obey everything he has told us. he gave us the 10 commandments together, if you toss one out as old, we might as well all murder and steal!
" * Satan now tries to wipe out God's Church by persecuting it though Nero. Christians are thrown to the lions and burnt at the stake but martyrdom only makes the Church grow stronger. All Satan can do now is stop as many people as possible from reaching the kingdom. God's law is still a primary target as it had been from the beginning.
* Satan realizes he can inflict more damage from within the Church and so gives His power, seat and authority to an Apostate Church. (Revelation 13:2)
* Satan needs to attack God's law and keep Christians living in wilful sin as no sacrifice covers wilful sin. (Hebrews 10:26-29) So Satan starts with the easiest Commandment as he had previously planned as early as 2000 B.C. See who changed the Sabbath to Sunday. The fourth Commandment defines who we worship so Satan changes the fourth Commandment through Constantine in 321 A.D. in honour of Sun worship. The Catholic Church makes it official in the Council of Laodicea (A.D. 336).
* Satan through an Apostate Church persecutes God's true Church for 1260 years and the Church has to flee into the wilderness leaving the persecuting Catholic Church ruling as Church and state. 50,000,000 to 150,000,000 are murdered and tortured as heretics through the dark ages. The fourth Commandment is nearly murdered out of existence and Satan has achieved his goal and a major victory on God's true Church.
* Towards the end of the dark ages (1517) Martin Luther discovers that the Papal Church is the antichrist power and gives birth to the Protestant Reformation. (Antichrist also means in place of Christ as the Pope claims to be God on Earth.)
* The Catholic Church holds the council of Trent, which started in 1545 and responds with the Counter Reformation in an attempt to have the finger pointed at either Nero or a fictional future Antichrist. See futurist and futurism Bible prophecy for more detail.
* The Protestant Reformation gives birth to many new Protestant Churches but they in ignorance continue to keep Sunday as the Sabbath.
* In 1798, Napoleon through his General Berthier ends the 1260 years of Papal rule and they no longer have power as Church and state. It was not long before they elected a new Pope but they were now just a Church with very limited power.
* In 1929, Benito Mussolini signs a concordat in Rome giving back to the Pope, not the whole city but over 100 acres which is now known as the Vatican. The power of the Roman Catholic Church is on the increase again as the Bible says that the deadly wound (Revelation 13:3) that stopped the Papal Church from its 1260 year rule will be healed and that they are going to be given power back by the second beast and enforce the mark of the beast being their mark. (Revelation 13:12-18)
* God uses the spirit of prophecy to help restore His fourth Commandment by raising up an end time movement as His Remnant Church. (Revelation 12:17) Note that Revelation 19:10 informs us that the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
* TODAY, most Christians are unaware of these facts and our adversary works very hard to keep it that way, and sadly, he has been very successful, especially since many resist accepting the truth about this Commandment that defines it is God we love and worship. There is only between 20,000,000 and 40,000,000 Christians in just over 500 different denominations that understand this very important fact that also defines it is God we give our allegiance to. Our allegiance is to God and not the Pope or even worse, our adversary that gave this Church their power and authority. (Revelation 13:2)
* The Papal system is the major theme in Revelation and Daniel because not long after Christ, SHE has continued to have a massive impact on what TRULY does matter to God, i.e., His Church. She is the root of many false doctrines, has changed God's law and shed the blood of millions of innocent Christians they called heretics etc. When Israel committed spiritual adultery, God called His Old Testament Church a “WHORISH WOMAN†and a “HARLOT†etc, and accused her of “FORNICATION†and “ADULTERY.†The Papal Church is guilty of much worse than Israel. Pope Benedict recently caused a major uproar among many Churches as he referred to the Catholic Church as being the “MOTHER†Church and called for all the daughter Churches to come back to HER. Many Churches today are called daughter Churches because they originally came from the Catholic Church, eg: Martin Luther, who had been a Catholic priest established the Lutheran Church. Sadly, many of the daughter Churches have also ignorantly inherited various false doctrines and this is why SHE is called the “MOTHER OF HARLOTS†and Mystery Babylon." - http://www.the-ten-commandments.org/sab ... phecy.html
again, if the mighty Lord we serve has told us to remember the sabbath and keep it holy, why do we ignore it, and try to use all the excuses in the book, even the Bible, as to why we dont have to? True love for God is willingness to obey everything he has told us. he gave us the 10 commandments together, if you toss one out as old, we might as well all murder and steal!
James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
He says the WHOLE law, not 9 out of 10, or some, or every one except the sabbath; and he says right here if you do not keep even one, you are guilty of breaking them all! why can you not see how important keeping the saturday sabbath is??? there is no where in the Bible that tells us otherwise!!! drop the label satan has given the 4th as SDA theology and return your hearts to the word of the Lord. the Lord made the 4th, not the SDA!!! show me somewhere in NT, matter of fact, from Jesus himself, where he tells us we dont have to keep it because it is legalism??? you support your claims so much, so show me! there is none! there is no excuse for your disobedience except for your heard hearted rebellion, just as the pharisees once had. you now know the truth, and if you refuse to turn back to the Lord with all your heart, judgment is on your own heads
He says the WHOLE law, not 9 out of 10, or some, or every one except the sabbath; and he says right here if you do not keep even one, you are guilty of breaking them all! why can you not see how important keeping the saturday sabbath is??? there is no where in the Bible that tells us otherwise!!! drop the label satan has given the 4th as SDA theology and return your hearts to the word of the Lord. the Lord made the 4th, not the SDA!!! show me somewhere in NT, matter of fact, from Jesus himself, where he tells us we dont have to keep it because it is legalism??? you support your claims so much, so show me! there is none! there is no excuse for your disobedience except for your heard hearted rebellion, just as the pharisees once had. you now know the truth, and if you refuse to turn back to the Lord with all your heart, judgment is on your own heads
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Assuming you are correct on the Sunday Resurrection; what does that have to do with keeping the Sabbath?Vic C. said:
Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
so here it tells you the saints are not saved just by faith in Jesus, but ALSO through obedience to ALL of God's commandments!
Open your eyes and your heart
10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
so here it tells you the saints are not saved just by faith in Jesus, but ALSO through obedience to ALL of God's commandments!
Open your eyes and your heart