The second coming was in 312 AD

[theinterpreter]

Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Is it your opinion that the resurrection of the dead took place in 312 AD as well?


14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus. 15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17

The above scripture teaches us that when The Lord Jesus returns, the dead in Christ will rise also, and from that point on we shall all be with the Lord.

Are saying that the resurrection is past?


2 Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is. 3 And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure. 1 John 3:2

Are you saying that you are now at this moment wearing a glorified body that will never die.



34 And Jesus answered and said to them, "The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage. 35 But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; 36 nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection. Luke 20:34-36

Are you saying, somehow, that people no longer marry or are given in marriage?



It seems that The Lord Jesus and the apostle Paul taught a completely different Gospel than the one you teach.



Furthermore Paul taught us that those who teach the resurrection is past teach a message that is like cancer, a disease that spreads and overthrows the faith of God's people.

16 But shun profane and idle babblings, for they will increase to more ungodliness. 17 And their message will spread like cancer. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of this sort, 18 who have strayed concerning the truth, saying that the resurrection is already past; and they overthrow the faith of some.

as well as -


6 I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, 7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed. Galatians 1:6-9

You are treading on extremely dangerous ground.

I encourage you to turn away from this perverted teaching.


JLB

The first resurrection of the dead occurs in chapter 20, many chapters and many centuries after the second coming. Actually, I do not rule out a third coming at that time (so that I am not in violation of the Nicene Creed).

 

[JLB]

The first resurrection of the dead occurs in chapter 20, many chapters and many centuries after the second coming. Actually, I do not rule out a third coming at that time (so that I am not in violation of the Nicene Creed).

The resurrection of the dead occurs when Jesus Christ returns not "many centuries after" as you suppose.

16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.

JLB

 

[John 8:32]

The Creator wasn't in power before 312 AD? Hmmm ... I guess you're a figment of my imagination, then, because if the Creator had no power before 312 AD, nothing in the Bible happened. In fact, there is no Bible. There is no Earth. There is nothing!!

Do you see where i'm going with this?

In one sense He is not, who is the god of this world?

2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Joh 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

Not yet, but it will be at His return...

Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Another event must occur before Christ rules...

Rev 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
Rev 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

Anybody here think the Devil is not active in this world today? If so, I gotta bridge you will be wanting to buy.

 

[John 8:32]

The first resurrection of the dead occurs in chapter 20, many chapters and many centuries after the second coming. Actually, I do not rule out a third coming at that time (so that I am not in violation of the Nicene Creed).

Nope, happens at the second coming...

1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

 

[Grappler]

The second coming of Jesus was on Oct. 28th, 312 AD when the sign of the Son of Man appeared in the clouds, and Jesus came into power through St. Constantine who rode a white horse and conquered with a bow. And he sent his messengers with a trumpet and gathered the elect of all the Church together, to Nicea.

I never heard of this nonsense before...what religion teaches this?

 

[THE INTERPRETER]

It is a religion that exalts men.

 

[JLB]

It is a religion that exalts men.

You seem to be exalting a religious man made teaching above the knowledge of God through His Word.


JLB

 

[Grappler]

It is a religion that exalts men.

Not interested. Thanks though.

 

[JosyWales]

There are many who believe that the Apocalypse has already happened. I think they may be suprised by future events.