the security of our salvation

[chessman]

I asked: “who do you exhalt among men to the ownership of His sheep?”

Your reply:

Here is what Jesus told His Apostle to do -

 

[Senior]

Christ's love is unconditional.
Salvation is a one time covenant with the believer and God is faithful to us.

Lisa, how do you personally deal with all of those dire warnings
in the NT about the possibility of losing salvation,
such as da one below?

 

[JLB]

I asked: “who do you exhalt among men to the ownership of His sheep?”

Your reply:

Did Jesus leave the oversight of His sheep with His Apostles or with God the Father?



JLB

 

[lisa-in-FL]

Here is what James says. -


Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins. James 5:19-20



I don’t see where he said “as soon as”, but he does indicate at the beginning of his letter the process.


Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone. But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death. James 1:13-15

• when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death

JLB

the wages of sin is death, which is why we are all going to die. but death doesn't have to equal burning in Hell for eternity. you understand the difference, right?

 

[chessman]

He said to him, “Tend My sheep.”
John 21:16

Based on this passage, Who’s sheep are they?

 

[JLB]

the wages of sin is death, which is why we are all going to die. but death doesn't have to equal burning in Hell for eternity. you understand the difference, right?

Wrong.


Death is a reference to perishing, eternal damnation, in the scripture you quoted.


For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 6:23


Do you believe Paul is contrasting eternal life, and physical death.


Everyone dies physical death, even believers [Except those who are caught up in the rapture].




JLB

 

[JLB]

Based on this passage, Who’s sheep are they?

In that passage they are Jesus' sheep.


Now, please answer this question that you keep avoiding -


Do the lost need to be saved?




JLB

 

[JLB]

I asked: “who do you exhalt among men to the ownership of His sheep?”

Your reply:

Do you understand stewardship?


42 And the Lord said, “Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his master will make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of food in due season? 43 Blessed is that servant whom his master will find so doing when he comes. 44 Truly, I say to you that he will make him ruler over all that he has. 45 But if that servant says in his heart, ‘My master is delaying his coming,’ and begins to beat the male and female servants, and to eat and drink and be drunk, 46 the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. Luke 12:42-46



JLB

 

[ezra]

StoveBolts said:
I believe salvation includes sanctification,
and this is related to discipleship.
That means we walk as Jesus walked.
How Jesus walked invites a long list ...
beginning with obedience and suffering!
How are we doin' with these two?

i took a step away from this for one reason it was getting to the point of who is right who is wrong .
sanctification is holiness being made holy 3 steps to our being sanctified .which another word is set apart
1. positional.. were saved placed in the Body of Christ
2. progressive .we grow in the grace and knowledge. we are in training ! no one in any profession athletic professional goes straight to the top. in our christian walk we are are w i p .on the potters wheel he is the potter w are the clay.
3. finial we made it home totally pure at this point
i like the 1st few words in Isiah 1:18 come let us reason.. were going in circles everyone has agreed just because we sin does not make us lost again . we all have agreed we have eternal life .
the in between is creating friction obey does come with our salvation .repentance-confession is a must . walking in the light as he is in the light is a must .
we have grace God riches at Christ expense . we have in his word his mercy endures for ever.
we have promise after promise.. once again what is not being said is living practicing sin every day like i practice my driving skills every day.. the words of paul GOD forbid .

this is my post i outlined the intent and i would hope we can focus on the context of the scriptures

 

[lisa-in-FL]

Wrong.


Death is a reference to perishing, eternal damnation, in the scripture you quoted.


For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 6:23


Do you believe Paul is contrasting eternal life, and physical death.


Everyone dies physical death, even believers [Except those who are caught up in the rapture].




JLB

a believer can be spiritually dead as a result of sin in their life but that doesn't mean that they are no longer a child of God. it doesn't sever the relationship. Human parents do that kind of thing - disowning and disinheriting their children when they feel they've been wronged - but our faithful God does not do this.
This is exhausting. No one has any claim to righteousness without Jesus Christ. We can't generate it ourselves . . so where do you stand with all of this? How many times have you lost your salvation today? or this week?

 

[ezra]

Do the lost need to be saved?

come on what a crazy question YES the lost need to be saved . we was lost at one time.

 

[ezra]

a believer can be spiritually dead as a result of sin in their life but that doesn't mean that they are no longer a child of God. it doesn't sever the relationship. Human parents do that kind of thing - disowning and disinheriting their children when they feel they've been wronged - but our faithful God does not do this.
This is exhausting. No one has any claim to righteousness without Jesus Christ. We can't generate it ourselves . . so where do you stand with all of this? How many times have you lost your salvation today? or this week?

:amen

 

[Senior]

No one has any claim to righteousness without Jesus Christ. We can't generate it ourselves . . so where do you stand with all of this?

Have you seen the verses about
who is righteous in the eyes of God
in this thread ... http://christianforums.net/Fellowship/index.php?threads/believers-stay-righteous-by-practicing-righteousness.78065/
P.S. it would be nice if you didn't say the verses are nonsense.

 

[chessman]

Do you understand stewardship?

Yes. Do you understand ownership?

In that passage they are Jesus' sheep.

And when he returns to his home, he calls together his friends and neighbors, saying to them, ‘Rejoice with me, because I have found my sheep that was lost!’​

Luke 15:6 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Luke 15:6&version=LEB

Now, please answer this question that you keep avoiding -


Do the lost need to be saved?

Another false accusation from you. You’ve not asked me this question and I haven’t avoided it.
Yes the lost need to be saved. See how easy that was.

Now, your turn:

In the parable of the lost sheep, are all 100 of His sheep found?

 

[lisa-in-FL]

Lisa, how do you personally deal with all of those dire warnings
in the NT about the possibility of losing salvation,
such as da one below?

I'm actually more curious how you deal with it. Do you leave the house? I would fall into a constant shame-spiral if I believed that Jesus turned his back on me every time I stumbled.
And if you back up from that verse you'll find a great reminder that we are under grace, and not the law. Jesus Christ fulfilled the law so we don't have to. Does that give us a free pass to sin "God forbid." But that doesn't sever our relationship with Christ.

14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

(this is from the KJV - hope you can read it)

 

[lisa-in-FL]

Have you seen the verses about
who is righteous in the eyes of God
in this thread ... http://christianforums.net/Fellowship/index.php?threads/believers-stay-righteous-by-practicing-righteousness.78065/
P.S. it would be nice if you didn't say the verses are nonsense.

I didn't say that God's word is nonsense and in fact didn't even say the word nonsense. Your idea that salvation can be lost through sin is just plain wrong.

 

[ezra]

Christ is our righteousness 1 Corinthians 1:30 It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God--that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption. if this post I MADE keeps going in left field i am going to request it be closed . this is exactly what i did not want and the very reason i did not want to comment

 

[JLB]

a believer can be spiritually dead as a result of sin in their life but that doesn't mean that they are no longer a child of God. it doesn't sever the relationship. Human parents do that kind of thing - disowning and disinheriting their children when they feel they've been wronged - but our faithful God does not do this.
This is exhausting. No one has any claim to righteousness without Jesus Christ. We can't generate it ourselves . . so where do you stand with all of this? How many times have you lost your salvation today? or this week?

Are we still discussing Romans 6:23?

a believer can be spiritually dead as a result of sin in their life but that doesn't mean that they are no longer a child of God.

This is interesting.


What is the difference between a spiritually dead believer and a spiritually dead unbeliever?



JLB

 

[JLB]

come on what a crazy question YES the lost need to be saved . we was lost at one time.

If you have been following this thread, you would know the context of my question comes from the following passage.


4 “What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he loses one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the wilderness, and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? 5 And when he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. 6 And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and neighbors, saying to them, ‘Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!’ 7 I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance. Luke 15:4-7

• ‘Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!’

While the sheep was lost, he needed to be saved.



JLB

 

[JLB]

And when he returns to his home, he calls together his friends and neighbors, saying to them, ‘Rejoice with me, because I have found my sheep that was lost!’Luke 15:6 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Luke 15:6&version=LEB

Yes, the man's sheep was found.

Yes. Do you understand ownership?

I asked you a question first.

If you keep dodging my questions then it doesn't make for a fair and truthful discussion.


Do you understand stewardship.

42 And the Lord said, “Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his master will make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of food in due season? 43 Blessed is that servant whom his master will find so doing when he comes. 44 Truly, I say to you that he will make him ruler over all that he has. 45 But if that servant says in his heart, ‘My master is delaying his coming,’ and begins to beat the male and female servants, and to eat and drink and be drunk, 46 the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. Luke 12:42-46


Who is responsible for taking care of the Lord's people in this teaching.

1. God the Father
2. The Pharisee's
3. Unbeliever's
4. A steward

JLB