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Using extra-biblical info to define Biblical passages?Where did the demons/unclean spirits/devils come from .
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Using extra-biblical info to define Biblical passages?Where did the demons/unclean spirits/devils come from .
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Disembodied?
From which and whose body, and where do I find that in Scripture?
43 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none. 44 Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished. 45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.
try again
This is a dangerous thread. So much can be carnal mind speculation.Yes, you need to try again.
And also afterward tells us the sons of God were not human.
Now this is the genealogy of the sons of Noah: Shem, Ham, and Japheth. And sons were born to them after the flood.
The sons of Japheth were Gomer, Magog, Madai, Javan, Tubal, Meshech, and Tiras. The sons of Gomer were Ashkenaz, Riphath, and Togarmah. The sons of Javan were Elishah, Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim. From these the coastland peoples of the Gentiles were separated into their lands, everyone according to his language, according to their families, into their nations.
The sons of Ham were Cush, Mizraim, Put, and Canaan. The sons of Cush were Seba, Havilah, Sabtah, Raamah, and Sabtechah; and the sons of Raamah were Sheba and Dedan.
Cush begot Nimrod; he began to be a mighty one on the earth. He was a mighty hunter before the LORD; therefore it is said, “Like Nimrod the mighty hunter before the LORD.” And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, Erech, Accad, and Calneh, in the land of Shinar. From that land he went to Assyria and built Nineveh, Rehoboth Ir, Calah, and Resen between Nineveh and Calah (that is the principal city).
Mizraim begot Ludim, Anamim, Lehabim, Naphtuhim, Pathrusim, and Casluhim (from whom came the Philistines and Caphtorim).
Canaan begot Sidon his firstborn, and Heth; the Jebusite, the Amorite, and the Girgashite; the Hivite, the Arkite, and the Sinite; the Arvadite, the Zemarite, and the Hamathite. Afterward the families of the Canaanites were dispersed. Genesis 10:1-18
Please show me where there are any sons of God in Noah’s lineage?
JLB
Noah was well over 600 years old.Yes, you need to try again.
And also afterward tells us the sons of God were not human.
Now this is the genealogy of the sons of Noah: Shem, Ham, and Japheth. And sons were born to them after the flood.
The sons of Japheth were Gomer, Magog, Madai, Javan, Tubal, Meshech, and Tiras. The sons of Gomer were Ashkenaz, Riphath, and Togarmah. The sons of Javan were Elishah, Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim. From these the coastland peoples of the Gentiles were separated into their lands, everyone according to his language, according to their families, into their nations.
The sons of Ham were Cush, Mizraim, Put, and Canaan. The sons of Cush were Seba, Havilah, Sabtah, Raamah, and Sabtechah; and the sons of Raamah were Sheba and Dedan.
Cush begot Nimrod; he began to be a mighty one on the earth. He was a mighty hunter before the LORD; therefore it is said, “Like Nimrod the mighty hunter before the LORD.” And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, Erech, Accad, and Calneh, in the land of Shinar. From that land he went to Assyria and built Nineveh, Rehoboth Ir, Calah, and Resen between Nineveh and Calah (that is the principal city).
Mizraim begot Ludim, Anamim, Lehabim, Naphtuhim, Pathrusim, and Casluhim (from whom came the Philistines and Caphtorim).
Canaan begot Sidon his firstborn, and Heth; the Jebusite, the Amorite, and the Girgashite; the Hivite, the Arkite, and the Sinite; the Arvadite, the Zemarite, and the Hamathite. Afterward the families of the Canaanites were dispersed. Genesis 10:1-18
Please show me where there are any sons of God in Noah’s lineage?
JLB
Noah was well over 600 years old.
Think he had ONLY three boys? One boy every 150 years. Does that sound reasonable?
So angels, fallen angels are the sons of God?Here is scripture.
There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. Genesis 6:4
- There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men…
Giants came from a union between the sons of God and daughters of men.
There were giants on the earth before the flood and also afterward.
The sons of God were not found in the genealogy of men, before or after the flood.
This is the book of the genealogy of Adam. In the day that God created man, He made him in the likeness of God. He created them male and female, and blessed them and called them Mankind in the day they were created. And Adam lived one hundred and thirty years, and begot a son in his own likeness, after his image, and named him Seth. After he begot Seth, the days of Adam were eight hundred years; and he had sons and daughters. So all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years; and he died.
Seth lived one hundred and five years, and begot Enosh. After he begot Enosh, Seth lived eight hundred and seven years, and had sons and daughters. So all the days of Seth were nine hundred and twelve years; and he died.
Enosh lived ninety years, and begot Cainan. After he begot Cainan, Enosh lived eight hundred and fifteen years, and had sons and daughters. So all the days of Enosh were nine hundred and five years; and he died.
Cainan lived seventy years, and begot Mahalalel. After he begot Mahalalel, Cainan lived eight hundred and forty years, and had sons and daughters. So all the days of Cainan were nine hundred and ten years; and he died.
Mahalalel lived sixty-five years, and begot Jared. After he begot Jared, Mahalalel lived eight hundred and thirty years, and had sons and daughters. So all the days of Mahalalel were eight hundred and ninety-five years; and he died.
Jared lived one hundred and sixty-two years, and begot Enoch. After he begot Enoch, Jared lived eight hundred years, and had sons and daughters. So all the days of Jared were nine hundred and sixty-two years; and he died.
Enoch lived sixty-five years, and begot Methuselah. After he begot Methuselah, Enoch walked with God three hundred years, and had sons and daughters. So all the days of Enoch were three hundred and sixty-five years. And Enoch walked with God; and he was not, for God took him.
Methuselah lived one hundred and eighty-seven years, and begot Lamech. After he begot Lamech, Methuselah lived seven hundred and eighty-two years, and had sons and daughters. So all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred and sixty-nine years; and he died.
Lamech lived one hundred and eighty-two years, and had a son. And he called his name Noah, saying, “This one will comfort us concerning our work and the toil of our hands, because of the ground which the LORD has cursed.” After he begot Noah, Lamech lived five hundred and ninety-five years, and had sons and daughters.
So all the days of Lamech were seven hundred and seventy-seven years; and he died.
And Noah was five hundred years old, and Noah begot Shem, Ham, and Japheth. Genesis 5:1-32
No sons of God were mentioned in the genealogy before the flood.
Now this is the genealogy of the sons of Noah: Shem, Ham, and Japheth. And sons were born to them after the flood.
The sons of Japheth were Gomer, Magog, Madai, Javan, Tubal, Meshech, and Tiras. The sons of Gomer were Ashkenaz, Riphath, and Togarmah. The sons of Javan were Elishah, Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim. From these the coastland peoples of the Gentiles were separated into their lands, everyone according to his language, according to their families, into their nations.
The sons of Ham were Cush, Mizraim, Put, and Canaan. The sons of Cush were Seba, Havilah, Sabtah, Raamah, and Sabtechah; and the sons of Raamah were Sheba and Dedan.
Cush begot Nimrod; he began to be a mighty one on the earth. He was a mighty hunter before the LORD; therefore it is said, “Like Nimrod the mighty hunter before the LORD.” And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, Erech, Accad, and Calneh, in the land of Shinar. From that land he went to Assyria and built Nineveh, Rehoboth Ir, Calah, and Resen between Nineveh and Calah (that is the principal city).
Mizraim begot Ludim, Anamim, Lehabim, Naphtuhim, Pathrusim, and Casluhim (from whom came the Philistines and Caphtorim).
Canaan begot Sidon his firstborn, and Heth; the Jebusite, the Amorite, and the Girgashite; the Hivite, the Arkite, and the Sinite; the Arvadite, the Zemarite, and the Hamathite. Afterward the families of the Canaanites were dispersed. Genesis 10:1-18
No sons of God were mentioned in the genealogy after the flood.
This plainly shows us the sons of God, survived the flood and were not affected by the flood, because they continued afterward; after the flood to continue with the daughters of men.
Sons of God are different than the daughters of men.
Adam was the only son of God mentioned in genealogy.
the son of Enosh, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God.
Luke 3:38
Sons of God are not reproduced by flesh.
This is why we must be born again.
That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. John 3:6
As we see from the scriptures these were angels who were eventually cast down to hell (Tartarus). These angels are specifically liked to sin during the time of Noah and the flood.
For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly; 1 Peter 2:4-5
Please consider these scriptures and what the scriptures themselves teach us about this matter.
JLB
QuestionSo angels, fallen angels are the sons of God?
There is nowhere in Scripture of a genealogy of God and angels. They are never called sons. Unless you want to add them as brothers of Christ.
Or maybe half-brothers?
Step-brothers?
Nonsense.
This is a dangerous thread. So much can be carnal mind speculation.
My mind is running wild itself.
The interesting thing I am seeing is (the timeline progression). If one does not notice the (before) and (after) speed bumps in this timeline you drag Eden into the future and the Kingdom into the Old Testament.
I am a limited redneck, and this is is a great challenge. There is potential to straighten out the crooked way. The problem is the curves have existed so long that people think
Changing their thoughts is impossible.
I am going to try and be quiet till I study a bit more.
hawkman stay active.
Mississippi redneck
eddif
Question
Is there a difference in a son of God
And the only begotten son of God?
Another question.
Are there any daughters of God?
This is all pretty far out.
Mississippi redneck
eddif
There is a good reason for this , in the Old Testament we are told of "sons of God " and the conclusion would be that indeed "sons of God " are angels . Here are verses with "sons of God " presenting themselves before the LORD .I know Christians take "sons of God" as angels, but angels are first, a fixed number, have no genitals, and cannot mate with flesh.
3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me. |
4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. |
5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? |
6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; |
7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? |
Where are the verses in support of your statement ?The "sons of God" in verse 2 are the human, godly line of Seth.
Yes. And No. Difference between the Only Begotten and us adopted sons and daughters.Question
Is there a difference in a son of God
And the only begotten son of God?
Another question.
Are there any daughters of God?
This is all pretty far out.
Mississippi redneck
eddif
see my response to eddif below.There is a good reason for this , in the Old Testament we are told of "sons of God " and the conclusion would be that indeed "sons of God " are angels . Here are verses with "sons of God " presenting themselves before the LORD .
Job1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
Job2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.
In Job Chapter 38 we are again told of the "sons of God " and all that we can glean from the scripture is the "sons of God" are indeed angels , we are told about creation before man was created .
Job38
3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me. 4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. 5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? 6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; 7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
Where are the verses in support of your statement ?
1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, 2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. Gen. 6:1–2.
Where are the verses that support "sons of God" are of the godly line of Seth ?The "sons of God" in verse 2 are the human, godly line of Seth.
One can be too spiritually minded to be of any earthly good.Where are the verses that support "sons of God" are of the godly line of Seth ?
Said no one in the Bible ! !One can be too spiritually minded to be of any earthly good.
Ecclesiastes 7:17 kjvSaid no one in the Bible ! !
Do you believe this that you can be "too spiritually minded " ?
Of course.Said no one in the Bible ! !
Do you believe this that you can be "too spiritually minded " ?
The sons of God were angels there Jeremiah. Angels have the capability of taking on human bodies when they come to earth. Jesus appeared bodily after his resurrection to his apostles multiple times, and many angels that was sent were materialized such as the two that came to Lot. A supporting passage to indicate they were the angels/demons is Jude 6 which speaks about the account.1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, 2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. Gen. 6:1–2.
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. Gen. 6:4.
5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. Gen. 6:5–6.
7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
Gen. 6:7.
The "sons of God" in verse 2 are the human, godly line of Seth. The godly line of Seth were disobedient and took wives of the ungodly daughters of men, had children, and because of the sin nature in man and the influence of the ungodly women wives upon the children, they were without restraint of the Covenant godly line of Seth and were grown to be dictators and bullies in their society. I know Christians take "sons of God" as angels, but angels are first, a fixed number, have no genitals, and cannot mate with flesh.