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Hi OzBut your commentary on CFnet is more reliable than that by Coffman and Lenski. I know which ones I will trust with their Greek exegesis.
In addition, from the teaching of Rev 14:6-13 (ESV), I provided 11 points of exegesis. Don't you like that commentary that I provided directly from the text, either?
Do you know what diane? Your perspective does not agree with these Scriptures:
I suggest that with all teaching you check it out with Scripture. That's your biblical requirement. To brush commentaries aside with 'I don't trust someone else's commentaries' is a repudiation of Acts 17:11 (ESV) and Eph 4:11-12 (ESV).
- All preachers and teachers must be checked against the Scripture (Acts 17:11 ESV). That includes diane, Oz, Coffman and Lenski. Also,
- God has given to the church teachers to equip the saints for the work of ministry (Eph 4:11-12 ESV; 1 Cor 12:28 ESV). Your own ministry will not be prepared through equipping if you don't allow God's teachers to equip you. Commentators are God's special teachers.
Never said it was.
Never said it didn't.
I read it, but just didn't agree with somethings that were being interpreted.
For one , whom is our rest?
Jesus is our rest,
For we which have believed do enter into rest, Sabbath.....
Those whom do not believe will not enter into His rest..
They do not have Jesus...
Clearly, you must agree that John 3:16, says perish..
Giving up on the singing lessons?
I don't blame you.
I'm back in the much greener People's Socialist Republik of Kalifornia.Enjoy your desert environment for the Fall season as I encounter the Spring season in the sub-tropics.
I'm back in the much greener People's Socialist Republik of Kalifornia.
My mom-in-law, who is 90, requires someone to be in the house with her in case of accidents.
So I'm the butler.
We're in San Jose. No smog. (yet)The family and I left the smog of Anaheim CA in 1987
For 90 years of age, she's in good health but has fallen a couple of times and was unable to get back up.Is your mother-in-law in reasonable health or not?
What I wrote had ZERO to do with 'our rest'. I said nothing about 'our rest'. Therefore, you have introduced foreign matter into what we were discussing.
Now tell me what the meaning of apollumi (I perish) is in Greek. I happen to read, exegete and teach NT Greek. You have done nothing more than give me your personal understanding of what 'perish' means in the English language.
However, even there you are not accurate with English. The tyres on my car have perished. But they have not been eliminated. They are still on my Camry and the vehicle is still running on them. The oven in our kitchen kicked the bucket yesterday. It is not working and heating the food. It is so perished that my wife is out at the retailers right now discussing a replacement model. But have a guess what? The oven has perished to the point that it will not work in its present state, but the oven is still in the kitchen and has not been annihilated.
Remember that it was you who stated you don't use commentaries. That is showing up in your response here.
Jesus speaks of gehenna as being the final destination of the unbeliever, which is a significant point you are not addressing.The Lake of Fire is a unique end application. To get the other terms to fit that application is problematic, at best. There is only one second death, at the end.
James 3:6 deploys gehenna working, even then/now with the tongue. It is not the LoF as you infer, here:
"First, note that gehenna is often associated with fire, torment, and the final destination of the unbeliever. We see in Revelation that the lake of fire is also a place of fire and is the final destination of the unbeliever. Therefore, it is logical to conclude that Hell proper is the lake of fire."
We know it isn't the lake of fire because it's Hades. And being that this account is possibly a parable, we should be careful to draw certain conclusions from it.We also know from Luke 16's rich man account that the wicked "rich man" was confined to a place of torment, and this does not mean it was the LoF either.
Jesus speaks of gehenna as being the final destination of the unbeliever, which is a significant point you are not addressing.
We know it isn't the lake of fire because it's Hades. And being that this account is possibly a parable, we should be careful to draw certain conclusions from it.
This is an excellent example of taking a single word out of two totally different contexts and attempting to make them have the same meaning.That's your insertion into the text. It's called postmodern reconstruction.
This is an excellent example of taking a single word out of two totally different contexts and attempting to make them have the same meaning.
In the Rev 4 passage, the word rest refers to the fact that there is no interruption in the torment.
In the Heb 4 passage is a continuation of the teaching on obedience which begins in Heb 3.
This seems to be an example of "verbal parallelomania"*; adducing a parallel of questionable worth or where none exists.
I'm sure that this abysmal failure was not intentional but it is a perfect example of amateur eisegesis at its worst and a clear demonstration that the mere ability to read does not equate to expertise in Biblical exposition.
In this case, there is absolutely no parallel between the application of the word "rest" in the two passages. It is very unfortunate that anyone would perceive there to be.
iakov the fool
* Exegetical Fallacies, p.43, D.A. Carson, Baker Book House
There is more very good information in the beginning of Handbook of Christian Apologetics by Kreeft and Tachelli.You are speaking very deeply as a mature exegete who knows what eisegesis looks like - with the help of Don Carson.
Blessings to you, brother,
There is more very good information in the beginning of Handbook of Christian Apologetics by Kreeft and Tachelli.
It is one symptom of a Church in distress which imagines that apologetics can be reduced to dueling "proof-texts." Yet, here we are.
iakov the fool
If, like Calvinists and many other evangelical Christians, you happen to believe the souls of all men will live forever, could you explain to me please exactly where in the Bible such a doctrine comes from? The reason I ask is because I am a Christian who has regularly attended an evangelical church these last 19 years… https://0testsite00.wordpress.com/2016/09/01/immortality-vs-mortality/
The Jehovah's Witnesses are not a Christian denomination since they deny the Trinity.
The 7th Day Adventists do not deny the trinity but they do have some very strange teachings, the annihilation of the wicked being one of them.
It may be what you believe but annihilation of the condemned is not according to God's word.
iakov the fool