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So you are calling Christ a trans individual now?
Interesting you mention that Jeremiah. The entire Bible is about the right to Sovereignty. God gave free will as we have been discussing, however within boundaries. God's right to rule (Sovereignty) was challenged by satan, and Adam as well Gen 3:5. All humans are involved in this issue Job 2:4 so God is allowing us and satan to be our own gods until we realize that we need Him. Mat 24:22 shows that we have to go to the point of extinction before we really come to that knowledge, and God will step in at that time by sending His forces and put a stop to this madness.
Define "free will" and find a verse saying God gave Free Will to man.
Ability to choose.
So what? We all freely chose according to our greatest desire. God controls our desire and therefore controls what we freely choose. God gets whatever He wants and we get what we want, but our wants are controlled by God.
You asked for a definition of free will which I provided.
So God controls my wants...
Oh... my bad.
Yes .. who do you think controls your desires? You can choose your own desires, that the fallacy of circular logic.
Your premises lead to the conclusion that God doesn't get what He wants. The rolling out of history is the observation of God's plan. If God doesn't want you to sin then He wouldn't give you a sin nature. When you go to heaven God takes away your sin nature. The logic is simple enough. You can't pick your desires; God does.
No, you give man way to much credit. God's greatest desire is His glory and pleasure. Man is merely a creature created from dust.
Same as previous answer... for God's glory and pleasure. Man has no effect upon God: Job 35:7 “If you are righteous, what do you give God, Or what does He receive from your hand? 8 “Your wickedness affects only a man such as you, And your righteousness affects only a son of man [but it cannot affect God, who is sovereign]”
Why is that an either/or?
I define "free will" as choice.
Fred asks everyone for a definition of free will and they have so far complied. He still doesn’t acknowledge any definition.
And so you say God directs our hearts to desire sin.
Here I see you are getting directed and controlled mixed up.
So it was Gods pleasure to kill Jesus even though it was not needed?
Your Job quote is from one of the people that God said was wrong. (or am I mistaken)
OK.... well, that is an open definition.
Well, almost everyone does. If a definition lacks specifics it makes communication difficult. Now I know your definition I can understand the message you are trying to convey. Basically, you say people have a choice and you don't clarify who determines how you will choose.
I just trying to understand you. You're definition is a non-standard IMO. You're simply saying people have a "will". Everyone agrees to that.
God is more powerful. God get His way. The superior directs the inferior. Man cannot determine his desires; he is preprogrammed (see sin nature).
We are using your definition Free Will. All decisions are because you choose. Who determines the choice is irrelevant.
You misunderstood me.
Will is the capacity to make conscious, non-autonomic decisions. Free will is the capacity to make decisions that are not purely deterministic, given past input, nor purely random/spontaneous. - Google.
What does off the table mean in this context?
You have expanded my definition beyond it's range.
And you don't explain yourself.
It's the same as when God said, "Let us make man in our image..."
I disagree.
Very good.