The Teachings of Paul

[stovebolts]

It serves no purpose answering questions if I am not allowed to witness to what I believe is the truth.

It would be better stated as < "It does not serve my purpose..."

I am a red-letter Christian, meaning I believe everything Jesus said in Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John is reliable since Jesus is God. However, I believe Paul misspoke a couple of times in the Bible.

Got it. I disagree with your evaluation, so instead of arguing your opinion, lets narrow this down argue Paul's specific instances where you believe he is off the mark.

I know this is not what you believe, and I am not saying I am right and you are wrong, but let me ask you something: How do you expect to learn new things if you prohibit people from disagreeing with you?

We need to get past this "I'm right and you're wrong" tit and tat argument. I believe you are wrong, and you believe I am wrong. That's ok, really. It's how we respond to each other from here out that matters and to that end, our TOS was formulated around biblical principals.

So, lets get past the vagueness and address what you believe Paul missed the mark on and why you believe he missed the mark using the little red bits in your Bible if that's the section you adhere to as authoritative.

 

[elijah23]

It would be better stated as < "It does not serve my purpose..."

It serves no purpose whatsoever, that I am aware of, for me to misrepresent the truth. I bow to Jesus Christ.

 

[Alabaster]

It serves no purpose whatsoever, that I am aware of, for me to misrepresent the truth. I bow to Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ desires that you accept His entire word, and the words of those He specially anointed to teach you how to live for Him...those other apostles you show disdain for, which pains Him greatly.

 

[elijah23]

Got it. I disagree with your evaluation, so instead of arguing your opinion, lets narrow this down argue Paul's specific instances where you believe he is off the mark.

Paul says the entire law is based on one commandment: We are to love our neighbors as ourselves. Jesus says the entire law is based on two commandments: We are to love the Lord with all our hearts, minds, and souls, and love our neighbors as ourselves. Paul is wrong.

Jesus said we must be just, but Paul advises an unjust doctrine of prohibiting women from speaking in church.

 

[stovebolts]

It serves no purpose whatsoever, that I am aware of, for me to misrepresent the truth. I bow to Jesus Christ.

We have in common our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ to whom we both bow and follow. But I fear you've misunderstood what I was saying.

Your purpose is clear. You state that Paul "misses the mark" on two occasions and thus, you conclude that Paul's writings are fallible.

The Statement of faith on this site is also clear. So each perspective has been clearly stated. Can we move on now?

Let's start here. You stated earlier that Paul says that the law hangs on one commandment, when Jesus quotes 2 OT passages.

Please show me this passage from Paul as I am not familiar with where you've found this, and let's talk about these first.

 

[Alabaster]

Paul says the entire law is based on one commandment: We are to love our neighbors as ourselves. Jesus says the entire law is based on two commandments: We are to love the Lord with all our hearts, minds, and souls, and love our neighbors as ourselves. Paul is wrong.

Jesus said we must be just, but Paul advises an unjust doctrine of prohibiting women from speaking in church.

1. Paul was never wrong in scripture. God wouldn't allow error to pervade His message to us.

2. Paul says he is summarizing. From 2 to 1. That is allowed and good.

3. Paul never instituted any DOCTRINE regarding women. Ignorant men take it as such. They are to blame and not poor Paul.

 

[farouk]

To pick and choose which parts of the Spirit-inspired writings of Paul appeal to human wisdom, is not to feed on God's Word in faith.

 

[elijah23]

We need to get past this "I'm right and you're wrong" tit and tat argument. I believe you are wrong, and you believe I am wrong. That's ok, really. It's how we respond to each other from here out that matters and to that end, our TOS was formulated around biblical principals.

So, lets get past the vagueness and address what you believe Paul missed the mark on and why you believe he missed the mark using the little red bits in your Bible if that's the section you adhere to as authoritative.

I challenge you to find once instance where I’ve been rude to anyone on this website. I disagree with some things I’ve read, and say so, but I bend over backwards not to belittle anyone.

The red that you refer to are the teachings of Jesus, in Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. In some Bibles his words are in red ink.

 

[Sparkey]

It serves no purpose answering questions if I am not allowed to witness to what I believe is the truth.

I am a red-letter Christian, meaning I believe everything Jesus said in Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John is reliable since Jesus is God. However, I believe Paul misspoke a couple of times in the Bible.

I know this is not what you believe, and I am not saying I am right and you are wrong, but let me ask you something: How do you expect to learn new things if you prohibit people from disagreeing with you?

Here we go again... I thought you said, "I am not a teacher..." In fact, I am certain of it. Now you say, "How do you expect to learn [if I am prohibited] from disagreeing with you." Seriously, you can't have it both ways, friend. May I council you to examine this well?

Cordially,
~Sparrow

 

[Alabaster]

I challenge you to find once instance where I’ve been rude to anyone on this website. I disagree with some things I’ve read, and say so, but I bend over backwards not to belittle anyone.

The red that you refer to are the teachings of Jesus, in Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. In some Bibles his words are in red ink.

What would happen if a red-letter Christian were colour blind? Many men are. Would they know enough to start reading the Bible only in Matthew and stop at the end of John?

What if someone slipped and fell into Psalms or Nahum?

 

[stovebolts]

Elijah,
Those who have violated the TOS have been notified via PM. If you have further questions, please send me a PM.

Moving forward,

Paul says the entire law is based on one commandment: We are to love our neighbors as ourselves.

Please show me this verse so we can discuss.

 

[elijah23]

We have in common our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ to whom we both bow and follow. But I fear you've misunderstood what I was saying.

Your purpose is clear. You state that Paul "misses the mark" on two occasions and thus, you conclude that Paul's writings are fallible.

The Statement of faith on this site is also clear. So each perspective has been clearly stated. Can we move on now?

Let's start here. You stated earlier that Paul says that the law hangs on one commandment, when Jesus quotes 2 OT passages.

Please show me this passage from Paul as I am not familiar with where you've found this, and let's talk about these first.

For the whole law is fulfilled in one word, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." Gal 5:14 RSV

 

[elijah23]

The Statement of faith on this site is also clear.

It is my responsibility, as it is yours, to say what I think the Lord wants me to say.

 

[Alabaster]

For the whole law is fulfilled in one word, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." Gal 5:14 RSV

Both Galatians 5:14 and Matthew 22:39 are allusions to Leviticus 19:18 NLT:

“Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against a fellow Israelite, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the Lord.

 

[stovebolts]

For the whole law is fulfilled in one word, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." Gal 5:14 RSV

Let's take a look at this shall we?

First off, Paul is talking about fulfillment of the law, not that which all the commandments hang upon, as these are two separate topics and theologies.

kjv 14For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Jesus said that he was the fulfillment of the law (Mt. 5:17). Did Jesus not love us as himself and if so, how was his love for us exemplified? (John 3:16) Jesus also said that he did not come to condemn the world (John 3:17), yet we devour one another as Galatians 5:15 states.

I would suggest that that the "one word", would be Love, for God is love, and Jesus is the Word. amen.

So we see that through Jesus, the law was fulfilled when he went to the cross because the purpose of the law was to bring life, but brought death instead. Thus, the words of Paul agree with the words of Christ. What I would ask you to consider is the context to whom Jesus was speaking to, and to whom Paul was speaking to and under what circumstance.

Grace and peace.

 

[stovebolts]

Both Galatians 5:14 and Matthew 22:39 are allusions to Leviticus 19:18 NLT:

“Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against a fellow Israelite, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the Lord.

Alabaster,
Do you believe Jesus kept this commandment?

 

[elijah23]

Let's take a look at this shall we?

First off, Paul is talking about fulfillment of the law, not that which all the commandments hang upon, as these are two separate topics and theologies.

I disagree.

 

[Oats]

Elijah


How did you come to the conclusion that the teachings in the four Gospels are the only truth?


How do sermons go at your Church?

What did Paul say wrong

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Yes I read the thread, i'm asking for reassurance

 

[Alabaster]

Alabaster,
Do you believe Jesus kept this commandment?

Absolutely, all the way to the cross and beyond. It is His commandment. Otherwise, He wouldn't be Messiah.

 

[elijah23]

kjv 14For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Jesus said that he was the fulfillment of the law (Mt. 5:17). Did Jesus not love us as himself and if so, how was his love for us exemplified? (John 3:16) Jesus also said that he did not come to condemn the world (John 3:17), yet we devour one another as Galatians 5:15 states.

I would suggest that that the "one word", would be Love, for God is love, and Jesus is the Word. amen.

So we see that through Jesus, the law was fulfilled when he went to the cross because the purpose of the law was to bring life, but brought death instead. Thus, the words of Paul agree with the words of Christ. What I would ask you to consider is the context to whom Jesus was speaking to, and to whom Paul was speaking to and under what circumstance.

Grace and peace.

It is all about loving the Lord with all our hearts, minds, and souls, and loving our neighbors as ourselves.