The Teachings of Paul

[Sparkey]

Everyone likes to quote those passages, but no one likes to quote the one that follows:

1 Corinthians 14:36 KJV
What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?

Hi, theLords,

I must have missed something? Looks like you highlighted my post and replied saying 1 Cor comes after 2 Peter??? I don't want it to seem like I'm ignoring your comment, just don't get it. Send a private message if you'd like.

~Sparrow

 

[theLords]

Hi, theLords,

I must have missed something? Looks like you highlighted my post and replied saying 1 Cor comes after 2 Peter??? I don't want it to seem like I'm ignoring your comment, just don't get it. Send a private message if you'd like.

~Sparrow

No, no, my dear! I simply quoted you because you quoted Peter who validated the teachings of Paul! :wink3

Though, I don't think it matters either way for some

 

[Sparkey]

Oh (blond moment) I get it now.

Thx

 

[Oats]

now that this has been cleared up

a reform man walks into a bar, he has a drink.

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on subject

Jesus speaks to Paul

Paul who persecuted the church turned around and got persecuted for the Church

if you have problems with that do some soul searching

the one who died for our sins did exactly that


Praise Jesus

 

[Alabaster]

on subject

Jesus speaks to Paul

Paul who persecuted the church turned around and got persecuted for the Church

if you have problems with that do some soul searching

the one who died for our sins did exactly that


Praise Jesus

Neato!

My daughter and I were saying just that about an hour ago, discussing this thread!

 

[elijah23]

I already told you. They are part of the canon of scripture and therefore, God-breathed. It was not man's decision to include them---it was by God's orchestration.

Paul was an apostle. Apostles had the ability to write scripture by God's anointing.

Why do you make things so complicated for yourself? Do you own a bible? Do you only read the red lettered parts? Do you know that you are cutting off life-giving truth by devaluing parts of God's word? Do you know how that hurts the Father?

More importantly, do you not realize that what you are believing is imperfect? Therefore you fail at perfection. Doesn't that mean you have sinned and need to repent? Aren't you always in a state of pain? Remember...you said this:

God is not the Bible. The purpose of the Bible is to lead you to God. Some people, however, don’t look for God—they are satisfied to have found the Bible.

 

[Alabaster]

God is not the Bible. The purpose of the Bible is to lead you to God. Some people, however, don’t look for God—they are satisfied to have found the Bible.

Romans 9:17 NKJV
For the Scripture says to the Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth.â€

Galatians 3:8 NKJV
And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.â€


Don't go there, elijah. Scripture sees and says, according to these verses!

The WORD OF GOD SPEAKS what God says. Jesus is the WORD of GOD. Everything you need to know of God is in the Bible. It is His love letter to you.

2 Timothy 3:16 NLT
All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right.

Hebrews 4:12 NLT
For the word of God is alive and powerful. It is sharper than the sharpest two-edged sword, cutting between soul and spirit, between joint and marrow. It exposes our innermost thoughts and desires.

 

[elijah23]

Romans 9:17 NKJV
For the Scripture says to the Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth.â€

Galatians 3:8 NKJV
And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.â€


Don't go there, elijah. Scripture sees and says, according to these verses!

The WORD OF GOD SPEAKS what God says. Jesus is the WORD of GOD. Everything you need to know of God is in the Bible. It is His love letter to you.

2 Timothy 3:16 NLT
All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right.

Hebrews 4:12 NLT
For the word of God is alive and powerful. It is sharper than the sharpest two-edged sword, cutting between soul and spirit, between joint and marrow. It exposes our innermost thoughts and desires.

God is not the Bible. Jesus said the great commandment is to love God with all our hearts, minds and souls.

 

[Alabaster]

God is not the Bible. Jesus said the great commandment is to love God with all our hearts, minds and souls.

So, you refute the passages I posted? Saying the Bible is not God is simple petulance. The Bible is God's word to you. Do you refute that?

 

[elijah23]

So, you refute the passages I posted? Saying the Bible is not God is simple petulance. The Bible is God's word to you. Do you refute that?

First, God is a living being who we’ve been commanded to love with all our hearts, minds, and souls.

No, I do not believe the teachings of Paul are the Word. I think Paul had great wisdom, but I don’t think he was perfect.

 

[Ashua]

And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. -2 Peter 3:15-16

Peter accepted him. Why shouldn't we?

Also, maybe I am just naive, but you do not spend your whole life persecuting a group of people, hating them, and building a "good" reputation as a pharisee in that sort of society only to throw it all away on a false vision and false change of heart up to and including persecution, beatings, attacks, imprisonment, and forfeiture of his very life. People don't just sacrifice themselves for what they hold to be a lie. If Paul's writings were not inspired of God and witnessed on the road to Damascus, why would he destroy himself?

 

[Alabaster]

First, God is a living being who we’ve been commanded to love with all our hearts, minds, and souls.

No, I do not believe the teachings of Paul are the Word. I think Paul had great wisdom, but I don’t think he was perfect.

Who has ever said Paul was perfect? He sure didn't!

Paul was highly anointed.

By that same argument, was Moses, who contributed to Scripture, perfect? Do you look down on the OT too? We are to receive the whole body of Scripture as God-breathed. You are making a grave error in rejecting Scripture.

 

[elijah23]

Peter accepted him. Why shouldn't we?

Also, maybe I am just naive, but you do not spend your whole life persecuting a group of people, hating them, and building a "good" reputation as a pharisee in that sort of society only to throw it all away on a false vision and false change of heart up to and including persecution, beatings, attacks, imprisonment, and forfeiture of his very life. People don't just sacrifice themselves for what they hold to be a lie. If Paul's writings were not inspired of God and witnessed on the road to Damascus, why would he destroy himself?

I don’t say Paul didn’t have great wisdom and that we don’t stand to learn a lot from him. I’m just saying that I doubt if he was perfect.

 

[elijah23]

Who has ever said Paul was perfect? He sure didn't!

Paul was highly anointed.

By that same argument, was Moses, who contributed to Scripture, perfect? Do you look down on the OT too? We are to receive the whole body of Scripture as God-breathed. You are making a grave error in rejecting Scripture.

The teachings of Jesus, which are found in Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, are infallible.

 

[Ashua]

I don’t say Paul didn’t have great wisdom and that we don’t stand to learn a lot from him. I’m just saying that I doubt if he was perfect.

Of course he wasn't perfect. He is the self confessed chief of sinners. Tell me, is Peter perfect, who denied Christ three times? Was David perfect when he arranged for the death of Uriah to allow him to continue in his lust?

It comes down to this:

1. Paul is a divinely anointed apostle and prophet of God.
2. Paul is a liar.

Why those two? Because if Paul was just (contradiction to follow) a righteous and wise man, then he lied about his road to Damascus experience and everything he says is built on a lie.

So, what if he had the road to Damascus experience and was just an "honest" "wise man"? No that is not possible. Why would God call him from the road to get up and go to the city so that God could tell him what he should do? God told Paul what to do. He commanded him with his special purpose. If he did not, then Paul is a liar. We know that Paul's word is true. Paul is a servant of the Most High and his word is inspired by the Holy Spirit just like any other Biblical author.

 

[Sparkey]

The teachings of Jesus, which are found in Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, are infallible.

Okay, let's be clear about this. You've stated that what is taught in the gospels about Jesus is true and infallible.

Wait, no. That's not exactly what you said. You've stated that the teachings of Jesus, found in the gospels are infallible. In a different post you said that you thought that God would make certain that this was the case. The point, "The Bible is not God," has also been stated. It is understood then that your liberty and freedom to believe what you want, apart from the teachings and requirements of those sent by God (excluding Jesus himself) is paramount.

Elijah23, this is not a "salvation" issue. Well, at least according to MY belief. But then that belief is founded on teachings other than what is found in the gospels, other than the teaching of Jesus only. You will have to figure that one out for yourself also. As far as I know, those who believe that Jesus is the Son of God, who believe that God sent him and believe on his name, those who continue with Him, who love God above all and love others as themselves (as you have preached) are saved. Although I honestly believe in the inspiration of all Scripture and further think that what I consider truth was ordained by God Himself, it is not for me to even try to correct, nor teach someone who is not willing (for whatever reason) to be instructed. Certainly, if Paul (through whom God worked miracles) and who was appointed to the task of instructing Gentiles in the ways of God is not acceptable to you, then far be it from me.

May God bless you and be blessed by you,
~Sparrow

 

[Alabaster]

The teachings of Jesus, which are found in Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, are infallible.

The teachings of God from Genesis to Revelation, including the four Gospels you worship, are infallible.

 

[Sparkey]

Re: The Teachings of God through men (including Jesus, our Messiah)

The teachings of God from Genesis to Revelation, including the four Gospels you worship, are infallible.

Do not err, my beloved brethren. Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures. ... Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls. But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. [James 1:16-18, 21-22 KJV]

It is the logos, the word - that is ordained to be in-grafted and able to save our souls. Jesus is the Logos of God, he revealed in a vision to the Apostle John, "Behold, I stand at the door and knock..." This is the same logos that Paul states we are to become skillful in, and no longer be babes, desiring only the "milk of the word" - the simple things. Paul agrees with James, it is by exercising ourselves, by doing it that we become skilled in Christ, our Logos. But is this the admonition of Paul only? Or is this rather the Holy Spirit through man guiding us and teaching us all things.

Peter also spoke of this "logos":

For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty. For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount. We have also a more sure word of prophecy [βέβαιος λόγος ---> bebaios logos]; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake [as they were] moved by the Holy Ghost. [2 Peter 1:16-21 KJV]​

We will do well to take heed during the darkness of our times to the light, the "more sure word" that God delivered, not by the will of men, but by the Holy Ghost.

~Sparrow

 

[Alabaster]

Re: The Teachings of God through men (including Jesus, our Messiah)

Do not err, my beloved brethren. Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures. ... Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls. But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. [James 1:16-18, 21-22 KJV]

It is the logos, the word - that is ordained to be in-grafted and able to save our souls. Jesus is the Logos of God, he revealed in a vision to the Apostle John, "Behold, I stand at the door and knock..." This is the same logos that Paul states we are to become skillful in, and no longer be babes, desiring only the "milk of the word" - the simple things. Paul agrees with James, it is by exercising ourselves, by doing it that we become skilled in Christ, our Logos. But is this the admonition of Paul only? Or is this rather the Holy Spirit through man guiding us and teaching us all things.

Peter also spoke of this "logos":

For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty. For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount. We have also a more sure word of prophecy [βέβαιος λόγος ---> bebaios logos]; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake [as they were] moved by the Holy Ghost. [2 Peter 1:16-21 KJV]​

We will do well to take heed during the darkness of our times to the light, the "more sure word" that God delivered, not by the will of men, but by the Holy Ghost.

~Sparrow

 

[elijah23]

It comes down to this:

1. Paul is a divinely anointed apostle and prophet of God.
2. Paul is a liar.

We all are mistaken sometimes. That doesn’t make us liars.