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The Trinity

Of course, but what does any of that have to do with whether or not the Holy Spirit is a third person?


You just simply dismissed all those verses which give personal agency to the Holy Spirit and continue to say the same. But that is to ignore a huge amount of context. The Holy Spirit isn't some inanimate power of the Father nor is the Father the Holy Spirit, as the continual distinction throughout the NT shows, even mentioning the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit together in same context, several times.

The only logical conclusion is that the Holy Spirit is a distinct, divine person from both the Father and the Son.
Where is this 3rd person who comes by His will on His own?
16And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— 17the Spirit of truth.

But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.
    • John 14:26 states that the Spirit proceeds from the Father.
    • John 15:26 states that Jesus will send the Spirit from the Father.
    • Acts 2:33 states that Jesus has received the Spirit from the Father and sends him
    where is this 3rd person?
  • Jesus replied, “Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them

  • Are you stating the creeds state we have a 3rd person in us?

  • Fathers promise which is cohesive to the Spirit that Jesus sends He received the Father
  • In these last days I will send "My Spirit"

  • Nothing you posted states the person of the Spirit came and is in us as there is no 3rd person
 
Randy

As the Scripture states, the very person of Christ represents the „fullness of the Godhead” (Col 2:9). The fact that you do not believe in the true divinity of the person of Christ, we have already absolved.
IN HIM -YES but NOT HIM. Understand?

The Fullness of God does not live IN the Father rather the Father is the Deity.
The Father lives IN the Son. They are one.
 
Could you copy and paste where I said that and the passage so I can see how to answer you.

Could you copy and paste where I said that and the passage so I can see how to answer you.
Jesus states the Fathers promise NOT His.
Acts 1
“Do not leave Jerusalem, but wait for the gift my Father promised, which you have heard me speak about For John baptized with, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit

Father's promise=In the last days I will pour out "My" Spirit
Jesus -who the Father will send in My name.
 
Where is this 3rd person who comes by His will on His own?
16And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— 17the Spirit of truth.

But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.
    • John 14:26 states that the Spirit proceeds from the Father.
    • John 15:26 states that Jesus will send the Spirit from the Father.
    • Acts 2:33 states that Jesus has received the Spirit from the Father and sends him
    where is this 3rd person?
  • Jesus replied, “Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them
Yes, and how do they do that? Through the indwelling Spirit:

Joh 14:17 even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you. (ESV)

Notice that you stated the Holy Spirit is the Advocate. As I stated previously, and you ignored, an advocate can only be a person.

  • Are you stating the creeds state we have a 3rd person in us?
Of course, it can be no other way. What was the whole point of Jesus sending the Spirit, just so that the Spirit would live around us but not in us? We are temples of the Holy Spirit. In addition of John 14:17:

Rom 8:9 You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.
Rom 8:10 But if Christ is in you, although the body is dead because of sin, the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
Rom 8:11 If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you. (ESV)

That the Holy Spirit dwells in us is without question. That makes the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit all indwelling believers, primarily through the Holy Spirit, it would seem.

  • Fathers promise which is cohesive to the Spirit that Jesus sends He received the Father
  • In these last days I will send "My Spirit"
Okay.

  • Nothing you posted states the person of the Spirit came and is in us as there is no 3rd person
That is once again to ignore the large number of passages I gave which unequivocally show that the Holy Spirit has personal agency. The Holy Spirit is a divine person, distinct from the Father and the Son, and indwells believers.
 
Yes, and how do they do that? Through the indwelling Spirit:

Joh 14:17 even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you. (ESV)

Notice that you stated the Holy Spirit is the Advocate. As I stated previously, and you ignored, an advocate can only be a person.
I said 3rd person. The Father is a person and He will send His Spirit in Jesus name and Jesus is a person. Jesus stated He and the Father would make their Home with the believer. Where is this 3rd person?
Of course, it can be no other way. What was the whole point of Jesus sending the Spirit, just so that the Spirit would live around us but not in us? We are temples of the Holy Spirit. In addition of John 14:17:
Jesus did send the Spirit He received from the Father. From the Father through the Son.
Rom 8:9 You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.
Why would Jesus receive His own Spirit from the Father and state Another advocate in regard to His spirit?
Rom 8:10 But if Christ is in you, although the body is dead because of sin, the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
True -I have the Spirit of Christ in me. I also have the Father in me.
Rom 8:11 If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you. (ESV)
The body is the temple of the Holy Spirit. Who the Father sent in Jesus's name.
That the Holy Spirit dwells in us is without question. That makes the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit all indwelling believers, primarily through the Holy Spirit, it would seem.
Jesus stated both He and His Father would make their home in us. I believe that as stated. just 2 But again the Father sends the Spirit in Jesus's name.
Okay.


That is once again to ignore the large number of passages I gave which unequivocally show that the Holy Spirit has personal agency. The Holy Spirit is a divine person, distinct from the Father and the Son, and indwells believers.
Nothing you provide states as you suggest. Nothing has been ignored.
The Holy Spirit is the one and only Spirit of God the Father.
 
Randy

It can be said that your opinion is an example of a clear failure that is reflected in considering the essence of God as something primary in relation to the person of God. That is the source of every problem.
 
I took the King James V. letter. I also prefer „Deity” for something that represents the essence of God.
 
I said 3rd person. The Father is a person and He will send His Spirit in Jesus name and Jesus is a person. Jesus stated He and the Father would make their Home with the believer. Where is this 3rd person?
Well, as I have stated at least a couple of times, it was all in my previous post with all the verses that you largely ignored. Apart from that, it was also in my latest post and in what you quoted for the above response: you called the Holy Spirit an Advocate. But, as I stated, advocates are only persons. Therefore, the only logical conclusion is that the Holy Spirit is a person, the third divine person.

Jesus did send the Spirit He received from the Father. From the Father through the Son.
Okay, but that doesn't address what you quoted.

Why would Jesus receive His own Spirit from the Father and state Another advocate in regard to His spirit?
He didn't "receive His own Spirit from the Father." The "another advocate" only makes sense because "another" means one that is similar to Jesus, yet distinct from him. That is the plain meaning of those words. And, again, and advocate can only be a person. There is no other option there and that fits with the Holy Spirit being "another," since Jesus is also a person.

True -I have the Spirit of Christ in me. I also have the Father in me.
Yes, but you need to pay attention to the context:

Rom 8:9 You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.
Rom 8:10 But if Christ is in you, although the body is dead because of sin, the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
Rom 8:11 If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you. (ESV)

Notice that Paul equates "the Spirit of God" with "the Spirit of Christ," "the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead," and "his Spirit." It hardly needs pointing out that three times Paul says that the Holy Spirit indwells believers and once states the opposite ("does not have"). Of course he also says that "Christ is in you," but Jesus already told us that he would live in us, as you have given already.

We can also look at what Peter said, that the OT prophets prophesied by the "Spirit of Christ":

1Pe 1:10 Concerning this salvation, the prophets who prophesied about the grace that was to be yours searched and inquired carefully,
1Pe 1:11 inquiring what person or time the Spirit of Christ in them was indicating when he predicted the sufferings of Christ and the subsequent glories. (ESV)

Peter, too, is equating the Holy Spirit with the Spirit of Christ, going as far back as the OT to do so.

So, we know that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit indwell believers, however, the Father and the Son indwell believers through the Holy Spirit. That is one of the functions of the Holy Spirit.

The body is the temple of the Holy Spirit.
Yes, and so is the church:

1Co 3:16 Do you not know that you are God's temple and that God's Spirit dwells in you? (ESV)

Of course, your statement means that the Holy Spirit lives in us, so it necessarily follows that it is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit that indwell believers.

Who the Father sent in Jesus's name.
And who Jesus sent. Both the Father and the Son send the Holy Spirit.

Jesus stated both He and His Father would make their home in us. I believe that as stated. just 2 But again the Father sends the Spirit in Jesus's name.
And, as Jesus said, he also sends the Spirit (John 16:7). Jesus also said the Holy Spirit would dwell in believers (John 14:17). Why do you seem to be content to ignore both of those clear statements?

Nothing you provide states as you suggest. Nothing has been ignored.
The Holy Spirit is the one and only Spirit of God the Father.
This is exceedingly dishonest. You completely ignored the numerous passages I gave which strongly imply the personhood of the Holy Spirit a post. And now you're dancing around and ignoring clear statements by Jesus and Paul, both that the Holy Spirit will indwell believers, that the Holy Spirit is a person, and that the Holy Spirit is also know as the Spirit of Christ, the Spirit of his Son, etc.

It strongly appears that your beliefs are interpreting Scripture, rather than letting Scripture inform your beliefs, hence why you don't want to address those things that simply don't fit your theology. That means you're taking everything about the Holy Spirit out of context.
 
Jesus states the Fathers promise NOT His.
Acts 1
“Do not leave Jerusalem, but wait for the gift my Father promised, which you have heard me speak about For John baptized with, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit

Father's promise=In the last days I will pour out "My" Spirit
Jesus -who the Father will send in My name.

I agree. The Baptism with the Spirit is the Promise of the Father.

Amen.

I was hoping you would comment on what I posted here…

But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. Romans 8:9

Also notice how the Spirit of God, the Holy Spirit and the Spirit of Christ are intrinsically connected as One, in the following verse.

Do you agree?
 
I agree. The Baptism with the Spirit is the Promise of the Father.

Amen.

I was hoping you would comment on what I posted here…

But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. Romans 8:9

Also notice how the Spirit of God, the Holy Spirit and the Spirit of Christ are intrinsically connected as One, in the following verse.

Do you agree?
Yes the Spirit Jesus received from the Father is sent in His name. There is only one Spirit. The person of the Father. In us that same Spirit is in the persona of the Son conveying His will and presence in the believer. In this manner both Father and Son make their Home with us. There is no 3rd person.

One God the Father and One Lord Jesus Christ
 
Well, as I have stated at least a couple of times, it was all in my previous post with all the verses that you largely ignored. Apart from that, it was also in my latest post and in what you quoted for the above response: you called the Holy Spirit an Advocate. But, as I stated, advocates are only persons. Therefore, the only logical conclusion is that the Holy Spirit is a person, the third divine person.


Okay, but that doesn't address what you quoted.


He didn't "receive His own Spirit from the Father." The "another advocate" only makes sense because "another" means one that is similar to Jesus, yet distinct from him. That is the plain meaning of those words. And, again, and advocate can only be a person. There is no other option there and that fits with the Holy Spirit being "another," since Jesus is also a person.


Yes, but you need to pay attention to the context:

Rom 8:9 You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.
Rom 8:10 But if Christ is in you, although the body is dead because of sin, the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
Rom 8:11 If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you. (ESV)

Notice that Paul equates "the Spirit of God" with "the Spirit of Christ," "the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead," and "his Spirit." It hardly needs pointing out that three times Paul says that the Holy Spirit indwells believers and once states the opposite ("does not have"). Of course he also says that "Christ is in you," but Jesus already told us that he would live in us, as you have given already.

We can also look at what Peter said, that the OT prophets prophesied by the "Spirit of Christ":

1Pe 1:10 Concerning this salvation, the prophets who prophesied about the grace that was to be yours searched and inquired carefully,
1Pe 1:11 inquiring what person or time the Spirit of Christ in them was indicating when he predicted the sufferings of Christ and the subsequent glories. (ESV)

Peter, too, is equating the Holy Spirit with the Spirit of Christ, going as far back as the OT to do so.

So, we know that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit indwell believers, however, the Father and the Son indwell believers through the Holy Spirit. That is one of the functions of the Holy Spirit.


Yes, and so is the church:

1Co 3:16 Do you not know that you are God's temple and that God's Spirit dwells in you? (ESV)

Of course, your statement means that the Holy Spirit lives in us, so it necessarily follows that it is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit that indwell believers.


And who Jesus sent. Both the Father and the Son send the Holy Spirit.


And, as Jesus said, he also sends the Spirit (John 16:7). Jesus also said the Holy Spirit would dwell in believers (John 14:17). Why do you seem to be content to ignore both of those clear statements?


This is exceedingly dishonest. You completely ignored the numerous passages I gave which strongly imply the personhood of the Holy Spirit a post. And now you're dancing around and ignoring clear statements by Jesus and Paul, both that the Holy Spirit will indwell believers, that the Holy Spirit is a person, and that the Holy Spirit is also know as the Spirit of Christ, the Spirit of his Son, etc.

It strongly appears that your beliefs are interpreting Scripture, rather than letting Scripture inform your beliefs, hence why you don't want to address those things that simply don't fit your theology. That means you're taking everything about the Holy Spirit out of context.
I am dealing with the oneness as stated in the NT. You have yet to show a 3rd distinct person from the Father and Son despite your claims otherwise.

I see a person in the Spirit. The person of the Father. In us the person of the Son and Father. What I don't find with honor, glory and power noted is a 3rd person. It's one God the Father and one Lord Jesus Christ. To Him who sits on the throne and to the lamb.

Where is this 3rd distinct person from God the Father and our Lord Jesus?
I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one— 23I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.

Where is any ownership noted for this so called 3rd person?
Jesus didn't state the Spirit will take from what is ours and make it known to you.
All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will receive from me what he will make known to you.

The Spirit does bear witness but not as a 3rd person. You should see the person of the Father and the Fathers own Spirit has His nature.

It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from him comes to me.

My friend its not hard.
"Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ"
 
Randy

It can be said that your opinion is an example of a clear failure that is reflected in considering the essence of God as something primary in relation to the person of God. That is the source of every problem.
God is Spirit. The Father as noted in the NT and the creeds is the source of all things. The creeds state begotten but not made in regard to the Son. The Fathers Spirit "true God" was pleased to dwell in the Son. Col 1:19. So yes Jesus has the Fathers nature. You state essence. I state Fathers Deity. His Spirit without limit. I only agree in part. The Father alone is unbegotten. I don't share your belief in the only begotten, unbegotten Son. He's begotten.

True God "FROM" true God.
Begotten of the Father alone before all things.

I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the Only Begotten Son of God,
born of the Father before all ages.
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father;
through him all things were made
 
I agree. The Baptism with the Spirit is the Promise of the Father.
I will pour out "MY" Spirit in these last days.
Amen.

I was hoping you would comment on what I posted here…

But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. Romans 8:9

Also notice how the Spirit of God, the Holy Spirit and the Spirit of Christ are intrinsically connected as One, in the following verse.

Do you agree?
 
Yes the Spirit Jesus received from the Father is sent in His name. There is only one Spirit. The person of the Father. In us that same Spirit is in the persona of the Son conveying His will and presence in the believer. In this manner both Father and Son make their Home with us. There is no 3rd person.

One God the Father and One Lord Jesus Christ

Scripture teaches the Spirit of Christ, the Son dwells in us thus being omnipresent.

The Spirit of Christ is the Spirit of the LORD God who dwelt in the Old Testament prophets and spoke through them.

Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully, who prophesied of the grace that would come to you, searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow.
1 Peter 1:10-11

Example:

“And it shall come to pass afterward
That I will pour out My Spirit on all flesh;
Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
Your old men shall dream dreams,
Your young men shall see visions.
And also on My menservants and on My maidservants
I will pour out My Spirit in those days.
“And I will show wonders in the heavens and in the earth:
Blood and fire and pillars of smoke.
The sun shall be turned into darkness,
And the moon into blood,
Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the LORD.
And it shall come to pass
That whoever calls on the name of the LORD
Shall be saved. Joel 2:28-32

I will pour out My Spirit in those days.

That whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved.

The name of the LORD, YHWH we call on to be saved is Jesus.


Jesus Christ is LORD, YHWH the LORD God.

The Spirit of Christ is the Spirit of the LORD God.




JLB
 
Randy

The problem you have with Christianity is that you do not consider the being of the Son to be equal to the being of the Father. It is unclear what the person of the Son actually is for you. In the end, you always end up with One Person as God. For you, that Person does not even have to be the Father, but everything that relates to the Son, at some point „becomes”.
 
I said 3rd person. The Father is a person and He will send His Spirit in Jesus name and Jesus is a person. Jesus stated He and the Father would make their Home with the believer. Where is this 3rd person?
Free:
"Apart from that, it was also in my latest post and in what you quoted for the above response: you called the Holy Spirit an Advocate. But, as I stated, advocates are only persons. Therefore, the only logical conclusion is that the Holy Spirit is a person, the third divine person."

Jesus did send the Spirit He received from the Father. From the Father through the Son.
Free: "What was the whole point of Jesus sending the Spirit, just so that the Spirit would live around us but not in us?"

Are our bodies temples of God? YES or NO?
Why would Jesus receive His own Spirit from the Father and state Another advocate in regard to His spirit?
All Three Persons are God.
God's Tri Unity is so confusing to fallible man who makes up useless expectations. So they try to force God into the silly unitraian box!! Unitarinism limits God because it is wrong and false. Made BY man FOR man.
If you can fully comprehend all aspects of the nature of your version of God, chances are your version is MADE UP.
----
Even people who accept the Trinity dont fully comprehend that Truth.
Jesus stated both He and His Father would make their home in us. I believe that as stated. just 2 But again the Father sends the Spirit in Jesus's name.
In what way does that mean that God is not Three Persons, One God?
Nothing you provide states as you suggest. Nothing has been ignored.
I can claim that of the Bible verses you cite too. Weak rebuttal.
 
I am dealing with the oneness as stated in the NT. You have yet to show a 3rd distinct person from the Father and Son despite your claims otherwise.
You are again being dishonest. I have shown it clearly, which is why I suspect you continue to avoid the numerous passages I have given.

I see a person in the Spirit. The person of the Father.
What does that even mean? That is to equate the Spirit with the Father--the Spirit is the Father--which makes mentioning the Spirit pointless and redundant. Why not just mention the Father?

In us the person of the Son and Father. What I don't find with honor, glory and power noted is a 3rd person. It's one God the Father and one Lord Jesus Christ. To Him who sits on the throne and to the lamb.
That does not preclude the Holy Spirit from also being truly God. You're continuing to ignore a lot of context.

Where is this 3rd distinct person from God the Father and our Lord Jesus?
I've given numerous verses showing both the distinctness of the Holy Spirit from the Father, which goes without saying based on a plain reading of Scripture, and the "personhood" of the Spirit, which you continue to leave unaddressed.

I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one— 23I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.
And Jesus was also filled with the Spirit. So, the Father and the Spirit were in Jesus, and Jesus said that he, the Father, and the Spirit would indwell believers. If you get one, you get all three, which makes no sense if all three aren't equally God and distinct from one another.

Where is any ownership noted for this so called 3rd person?
Jesus didn't state the Spirit will take from what is ours and make it known to you.
All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will receive from me what he will make known to you.

The Spirit does bear witness but not as a 3rd person. You should see the person of the Father and the Fathers own Spirit has His nature.

It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from him comes to me.
You're ignoring the verses which clearly equate the Holy Spirit with the Spirit of Christ, just as they do the Spirit of the Father. The only logical conclusion is that the Holy Spirit cannot be simply "the Father's own Spirit." Of course the Holy Spirit has the Father's nature, because he is truly and fully God, just as the Son has the same nature as the Father. Three divine persons, one substance.

Just look at some of the verses you've previously quoted:

Joh 14:26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.

There are things in this verse that show both the personhood of the Holy Spirit and that he cannot be the Father, if grammar is to make any sense. First, we see parakletos, which I have mentioned before and is also translated as "advocate." An advocate can only be a person. Second, the Spirit "will teach" and "bring to your remembrance," which are both actions of personal agency. Third, "the Father will send" means that it isn't the Father that will be coming, but the Spirit. Just as "in my name" distinguishes Jesus from the Father, "will send" distinguishes the Spirit from the Father.

Just another verse which shows all three divine persons.

Joh 15:26 “But when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness about me.

Same as above.

Act 2:32 This Jesus God raised up, and of that we all are witnesses.
Act 2:33 Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing.

We see that the Jesus "received from the Father" the gift of the Holy Spirit, and poured out the Spirit on his disciples. And again we see the three divine persons.

My friend its not hard.
I very much agree. A plain reading of Scripture shows that the Holy Spirit, being mentioned 247 times in the NT, is spoken of as a person, but is neither the Father nor the Son.

"Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ"
This is proof-texting. You're taking this completely out of context from the rest of the NT. The NT continually makes a distinction between the Father and the Holy Spirit:

2Co 13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.

That alone shows the problem with your proof-text. But, wait, there's more! In addition to the verses given above which show all three persons:

Mat 3:16 And when Jesus was baptized, immediately he went up from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened to him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and coming to rest on him;
Mat 3:17 and behold, a voice from heaven said, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased.”

Mat 28:19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

Eph 1:17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him,

Eph 4:4 There is one body and one Spirit—just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call—
Eph 4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Eph 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

1Pe 1:2 according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in the sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and for sprinkling with his blood: May grace and peace be multiplied to you.

(All ESV.)
 
You are again being dishonest. I have shown it clearly, which is why I suspect you continue to avoid the numerous passages I have given.
I have shown much as well which you ignore.
What does that even mean? That is to equate the Spirit with the Father--the Spirit is the Father--which makes mentioning the Spirit pointless and redundant. Why not just mention the Father?


That does not preclude the Holy Spirit from also being truly God. You're continuing to ignore a lot of context.


I've given numerous verses showing both the distinctness of the Holy Spirit from the Father, which goes without saying based on a plain reading of Scripture, and the "personhood" of the Spirit, which you continue to leave unaddressed.
I see a person the person of the Father. Hence in the last days He states I will pour out my Spirit. A complete silence in regard to another person. Why wouldn't that person state they're coming?

And Jesus was also filled with the Spirit. So, the Father and the Spirit were in Jesus, and Jesus said that he, the Father, and the Spirit would indwell believers. If you get one, you get all three, which makes no sense if all three aren't equally God and distinct from one another.
The Father was living in Jesus as He stated would that be by His Spirit? The Spirit of God.
You're ignoring the verses which clearly equate the Holy Spirit with the Spirit of Christ, just as they do the Spirit of the Father. The only logical conclusion is that the Holy Spirit cannot be simply "the Father's own Spirit." Of course the Holy Spirit has the Father's nature, because he is truly and fully God, just as the Son has the same nature as the Father. Three divine persons, one substance.
The Father sends the Spirit in Jesus's name. Again the Spirit Jesus sends He received from the Father. If that is a 3rd person wouldn't they come on their own?Why would Jesus need to receive His own Spirit from the Father?
Just look at some of the verses you've previously quoted:

Joh 14:26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.
Yes as also written "In the last days I will pour out MY Spirit." So "My Spirit' is a 3rd person? And Jesus did receive that Spirit from the Father not a 3rd person coming to Jesus.
There are things in this verse that show both the personhood of the Holy Spirit and that he cannot be the Father, if grammar is to make any sense. First, we see parakletos, which I have mentioned before and is also translated as "advocate." An advocate can only be a person. Second, the Spirit "will teach" and "bring to your remembrance," which are both actions of personal agency. Third, "the Father will send" means that it isn't the Father that will be coming, but the Spirit. Just as "in my name" distinguishes Jesus from the Father, "will send" distinguishes the Spirit from the Father.
Jesus- another advocte
Father pour out MY Spirit.
The Fathers promise "In the last days I will pour out My spirit does not distinguish that Spirit from the Father but is another in regard to Jesus.
Just another verse which shows all three divine persons.

Joh 15:26 “But when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness about me.
The Fathers own Spirit is the Spirit of God.
It does bear witness as they shall all be taught by God, those who listen and learn from the "Father" go to Jesus
This is the Holy Spirit as well : Matt 10:20
Same as above.

Act 2:32 This Jesus God raised up, and of that we all are witnesses.
Act 2:33 Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing.
This is that Fathers promise Jesus speaks of .In the last days I will pour out "MY" Spirit.
We see that the Jesus "received from the Father" the gift of the Holy Spirit, and poured out the Spirit on his disciples. And again we see the three divine persons.
I see the Father sending His Spirit in Jesus's name. So in the believer the Spirit conveys the will and presence of Christ. Since it is the Fathers Spirit then He and the Father make their home with us.
I very much agree. A plain reading of Scripture shows that the Holy Spirit, being mentioned 247 times in the NT, is spoken of as a person, but is neither the Father nor the Son.
The Fathers Spirit is the Spirit of God which He sends into the world. Those who listen and learn from the Father go to Jesus. All those the "Father" the Father gives Him.
This is proof-texting. You're taking this completely out of context from the rest of the NT. The NT continually makes a distinction between the Father and the Holy Spirit:

2Co 13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.

That alone shows the problem with your proof-text. But, wait, there's more! In addition to the verses given above which show all three persons:

Mat 3:16 And when Jesus was baptized, immediately he went up from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened to him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and coming to rest on him;
Mat 3:17 and behold, a voice from heaven said, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased.”

Mat 28:19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

Eph 1:17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him,

Eph 4:4 There is one body and one Spirit—just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call—
Eph 4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Eph 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

1Pe 1:2 according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in the sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and for sprinkling with his blood: May grace and peace be multiplied to you.

(All ESV.)

You are again being dishonest. I have shown it clearly, which is why I suspect you continue to avoid the numerous passages I have given.


What does that even mean? That is to equate the Spirit with the Father--the Spirit is the Father--which makes mentioning the Spirit pointless and redundant. Why not just mention the Father?
The Spirit of the Sovereign Lord is just that Spirit.
They shall all be taught by God. Those who listen and learn from the Father. His Spirit is Holy and in the world. His Spirit is truth.
That does not preclude the Holy Spirit from also being truly God. You're continuing to ignore a lot of context.
The Divine Spirit of the Father has His nature. It's not the nature of that Spirit we disagree on.
I've given numerous verses showing both the distinctness of the Holy Spirit from the Father, which goes without saying based on a plain reading of Scripture, and the "personhood" of the Spirit, which you continue to leave unaddressed.
I have given you verses where Jesus Himself equates that Spirit as the Father as well.
You think Jesus is true God from the Father. Why wouldn't He send His own spirit and why would His own spirit be spoken of by Him as another advocate?
And Jesus was also filled with the Spirit. So, the Father and the Spirit were in Jesus, and Jesus said that he, the Father, and the Spirit would indwell believers. If you get one, you get all three, which makes no sense if all three aren't equally God and distinct from one another.
The Father by name is the one Jesus stated is living in Him. Wouldn't that be the Spirit of God without limit. (fullness). God gives the Spirit without limit again that is not shown as a 3rd person coming on their own.
 
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