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The Trinity

It will always be true that God is one. Indeed, the essence of God is one, indeed one will of God is being carried out, but only Christians have a theology of such a one God in the Holy Trinity.
Some things cannot be proven to everyone, after all. The Christian faith is based on Love, and love implies community. That is why we are saddened by, for example, Muslims, because their God is single.
If Trinitarianism is a biblical truth, then how come it has never been taught in Orthodox Judaism?

Why did it take Pagans who were recent converts to Christianity reveal this?

Orthodox Judaism has always known about Trinitarianism. The only Jews who believed in Trinitarianism were Pagans, Mystics, Hellenist, and Kabbalist.


Trinity
In the fourth-century, Marcellus of Ancyra declared that the idea of the Godhead existing as three hypostases came from Plato, through the teachings of Valentinus. Valentinus is quoted as teaching that God is three, three prosopa (persons) called the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit:

These men also taught three hypostases, just as Valentinus the heresiarch first invented in the book entitled by him 'On the Three Natures'. It was believed he was the first to invent three hypostases and three persons of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, but he was discovered to have taken this from Hermes and Plato.

Valentinus (also spelled Valentinius) (c.100 - c.160) was known as a early Christian Gnostic Theologian.

It should be noted that Nag Hammadi library Sethian text such as Trimorphic Protennoia identify Gnosticism as also professing Father, Son and feminine wisdom Sophia or as Professor John D Turner denotes, God the Father, Sophia the Mother, and Logos the Son.


The Catholic Encyclopedia, II, page 263:
"The baptismal formula was changed from the name of Jesus Christ to the words Father, Son, and Holy Spirit by the Catholic Church in the second century."

Trinitarian formula



Some of the Church Fathers testified that Matthew wrote his gospel in Hebrew. The Trinitarian formula does not appear in the Shem-Tob Hebrew manuscript of Matthew. This Hebrew manuscript does not seem to have been copied from the Greek or Latin either. The omission of the command to baptize and the Trinitarian formula in the Shem-Tob manuscript contributes to the conclusion that the Trinitarian formula did not exist in the original manuscript of Matthew, but was a later addition.



Also:
In the fourth century, a group called the “Pneumatomacki,” who resisted recognizing “the Holy Spirit” as the third person of the Trinity, apparently used a text of Matthew that did not have the Trinitarian formula.

It is known that after the time of Emperor Theodosius (346-395), that writings that did not agree with the official position of the Catholic Church were to be sought out and destroyed.

The teaching of a Trinitarian formula would be something new in Orthodox Judaism, and there is no examples of Christ teaching the Apostles any such thing.

All of the New Testament teaches baptism in the name of Christ. The only place that teaches a different baptism is Matthew 28:19.

So the bottom line is this; there were bible text after the fourth century that did not have the Trinitarian formula.
 
Where is your evidence that '"Holy Spirit" was a title for the Father'? None of the passages you gave support that without fallaciously begging the question.
Is Yahwah a Spirit? Is Yahwah Holy?
 
Is Yahwah a Spirit? Is Yahwah Holy?
Yes, Yahweh is spirit and is holy, but it is fallacious on two counts to conclude that Yahweh is the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is God, but God isn’t the Holy Spirit.
 
If Trinitarianism is a biblical truth, then how come it has never been taught in Orthodox Judaism?

Why did it take Pagans who were recent converts to Christianity reveal this?

Orthodox Judaism has always known about Trinitarianism. The only Jews who believed in Trinitarianism were Pagans, Mystics, Hellenist, and Kabbalist.
That is why there is a gradation in the traditions of dogma. The New Testament, the teachings of the Fathers of the Church, and the Old Testament are the order that Christians follow.

The history of tradition is the progression of the revelation of God as He is.

As in science, reality was revealed in both Newton and quantum physics, where everything new confirms the older. Thus Christianity and faith in the Holy Trinity are the culmination of the revelation of God.
 
oh gee, could it be that the pagans already had a triune ''concept'' of God that they held on to ?
 
One is pagan polytheism, and the other is, for example, the Hindu trinity. However, only Christians have a theology that specifically speaks of one God, but in the Holy Trinity. Just ,,whoever wants to hear, let him hear."
 
oh gee, could it be that the pagans already had a triune ''concept'' of God that they held on to ?
Even if that was the case, would that make the Christian Trinity false? If so, how?
 
One is pagan polytheism, and the other is, for example, the Hindu trinity. However, only Christians have a theology that specifically speaks of one God, but in the Holy Trinity. Just ,,whoever wants to hear, let him hear."

you speak of one God then you contradict yourself by saying he is really three gods
 
that depends on who you talk to
Those who believe that have failed to properly study and so misunderstand the doctrine of the Trinity. The Christian Trinity is not tritheism. No one can be a Christian and believe in tritheism.
 
in your understanding , are the three parts equal ?
They aren't three parts, as though together they add up to God; each "person" is fully and truly God, making them coequal and coeternal.
 
"Tritheism that's not tritheism" refers to a belief system that appears to describe three separate gods, like traditional tritheism, but attempts to maintain the concept of one God through a different theological explanation, often by emphasizing a hierarchy or subordination between the three "persons" - essentially trying to avoid the full implications of believing in three distinct deities, even if it might sound that way on the surface.
 
to me any form of Trinity is liken to a three leg'ed stool .when one leg is gone it no longer functions as a stool . ah, the three legs have to be equal to be a proper stool yet thats not how scripture describes God .there is the father he alone is God almighty,he has no equal .all others are subordinate to him .making Jesus a shorter leg on the stool. holy spirit is also subject to Jesus making the third leg even shorter , as a stool its only something silly to look at.
 
"Tritheism that's not tritheism" refers to a belief system that appears to describe three separate gods, like traditional tritheism, but attempts to maintain the concept of one God through a different theological explanation, often by emphasizing a hierarchy or subordination between the three "persons" - essentially trying to avoid the full implications of believing in three distinct deities, even if it might sound that way on the surface.
That is a straw man. The doctrine of the Trinity explicitly states that there is only one God, but that he exists in three divine, coequal, coeternal persons. That is simply what Scripture states and what we have to make sense of. But, three separate deities is completely out of the question.

Is it difficult and ultimately not fully comprehensible? Yes. Is it self-contradictory? No. Does it actually teach three gods? No.

to me any form of Trinity is liken to a three leg'ed stool .when one leg is gone it no longer functions as a stool . ah, the three legs have to be equal to be a proper stool yet thats not how scripture describes God .there is the father he alone is God almighty,he has no equal .all others are subordinate to him .making Jesus a shorter leg on the stool. holy spirit is also subject to Jesus making the third leg even shorter , as a stool its only something silly to look at.
Except that with the Trinity, if the Holy Spirit were to be removed, God would still exist and be no less God, since each person is truly and fully God. For the purposes of salvation, each takes a different role, with the Son being subordinate to the Father. But that is not ontologically the case.

are angels holy spirits ?
No.
 
That is a straw man. The doctrine of the Trinity explicitly states that there is only one God, but that he exists in three divine, coequal, coeternal persons. That is simply what Scripture states and what we have to make sense of. But, three separate deities is completely out of the question.

Is it difficult and ultimately not fully comprehensible? Yes. Is it self-contradictory? No. Does it actually teach three gods? No.


Except that with the Trinity, if the Holy Spirit were to be removed, God would still exist and be no less God, since each person is truly and fully God. For the purposes of salvation, each takes a different role, with the Son being subordinate to the Father. But that is not ontologically the case.


No.
If not Holy Spirits then they must be unholy Spirit sons of God?
 
That is a straw man. The doctrine of the Trinity explicitly states that there is only one God, but that he exists in three divine, coequal, coeternal persons. That is simply what Scripture states and what we have to make sense of. But, three separate deities is completely out of the question.

Is it difficult and ultimately not fully comprehensible? Yes. Is it self-contradictory? No. Does it actually teach three gods? No.


Except that with the Trinity, if the Holy Spirit were to be removed, God would still exist and be no less God, since each person is truly and fully God. For the purposes of salvation, each takes a different role, with the Son being subordinate to the Father. But that is not ontologically the case.


No.
you said ''The doctrine of the Trinity explicitly states that there is only one God, but that he exists in three divine, coequal, coeternal persons. That is simply what Scripture states ''

where in scripture does it say ''that he exists in three divine, coequal, coeternal persons?
 
Correction, Arianism had its roots firmly in Origenism. The Pre-existence is a doctrine that be littles mankind and the messiah.
 
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