The Trinity

[Milan Nikolic]

oh i know where you are coming from . how ever ,the word you are looking for is congregation

The right word is Catholicism. Have you ever wondered what that word even means in theology?

That word means that Christ is fully and completely in every diocese, just as each person of the Holy Trinity is fully and completely God.

 

[locust]

Catholicism , is that the one that had that Central role in the Crusades ?

 

[Milan Nikolic]

I did not say Roman Catholicism, nor will I ever say it.

Naming a city before that word is a fiercely distortion of theology.

 

[TrevorL]

Greetings locust,

oh i know where you are coming from . how ever ,the word you are looking for is congregation

I like the Greek word Ekklesia, and the application of this word in the NT and the derivation of it's meaning, which is more than a gathering of people. I would reference Acts 15:14 and Acts 19:39,41.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[Randy]

locust

The Church is an organization of one body, where each of us is a special part of that body, the body of Christ.
We must not forget Christ's prayer to his Father, that there may be unity among Christians.

Jesus uses "truth". Yes there is but one body of Christ. I think we can have a friendly discussion on this subject. Clearly though the orthodox statements have a foundation of mystery which makes it harder on some to explain things that are just stated so.

Christ had a human body and a human spirit. What part of Him was God?
What part of Christ descended from above if NOT His own spirit?
Its clear to me the Son who was, His spirit, was in the body prepared for Him.
And I read the Son stating "MY" spirit.
"Father into your hands I commit "My" spirit"

From the will of another who defined Jesus's being. A creation of that other as a God and Father of Jesus.
One unbegotten God the Father; One begotten Lord Jesus Christ the Son who was gifted all the fullness of God the Father and shares the fullness of HIS Fathers nature. They are one but there is but one Deity and its shared without limit.The unbegotten God the Father. Its God from true God as its the Fathers Spirit/nature found in the Son without limit. (fullness) They are one in that unity as One God; One Spirit.
Col 1:19

How is one "from" another as a Son without a starting point to qualify "from" and "Son"?
True God from True God
I read God from true God as the eternal life found in the Son is the Father not His own.

How is a begotten Son of a Father unbegotten?
Begotten of the Father alone before all things but NOT made.

What historical usage of the word begotten means no beginning?
John used begotten.

John 1:18 Interlinear: God no one hath ever seen; the only begotten Son, who is on the bosom of the Father -- he did declare.

The Father is unbegotten and Jesus is begotten as a Son.
How are they coequal?
If the Father has a beginning it could not be by any other being. Clearly it's stated Jesus is FROM the Father as a Son.

The First begotten of the Father. (Jesus's spirit -not deity)
The beginning of the creation of God.(Jesus's spirit- not deity)
Col 1:19 The Deity gifted not formed is and remains the source true unbegotten God the Father. The Father in the Son.

Gifted not formed. The Fathers Spirit without limit is deity but it is the Deity of the only true, (unbegotten), God the Father from whom all things came. Jesus has made us a kingdom of Priest's, a royal priesthood, to serve HIS God and HIS Father and our God and our "Father". He has purchased us for "God" by His blood.
Col 1:19

Why would Jesus need to receive His own Spirit from the Father?
Rather as Jesus taught the Spirit proceeds from the Father who sends the Spirit in Jesus's name.
Acts 2
God has raised this Jesus to life,and we are all witnesses of it. 33Exalted to the right hand of God,he has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear.

Jesus speaks of that Spirit as another. "another advocate"

The Father does NOT.
The Fathers promise
In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people
The body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who was poured out in Jesus name.

As I read and know and believe which was from the beginning
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live

As I read and know and believe about the Son
The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.

Is Jesus God?
He never dies.
Yes, He is ALL that the Father is.
No, He has always been the Son.

A firstborn Son of His God and Father alone at some point in history before the world began-that should explain the need for this command.
About the Son
Hebrews 1:6
And again, when God brings the firstborn into the world, he says, “Let all God’s angels worship him.”

Revelation 3:14
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14And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;

Col 1:15 Not the invisible God but the image of the invisible God.
Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature(all creation all things) (His spirit as the Deity was gifted not formed Col 1:19)

The eternal life in the Son is the Father. The eternal life in us is Father and Son- the Spirit of the Father poured out through the Son and in His name.

John 6:57 He's not speaking of life in the flesh as atheists and unbelievers and the wicked live in the flesh.
Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me.

He states truth.
The Father is the only unbegotten God and from Him come all things
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

Jesus is the only like to like begotten Son or the only begotten God of the Father and in Him, by Him, through Him and for Him GOD the Father brought all things into existence. God has placed ALL things in His hands.
It's forever -To Him who sits on the throne and to the lamb. (Glory, honor, power) The Throne of God and the lamb forever.

 

[Milan Nikolic]

Randy

We can say that the Three Persons of the Holy Trinity are three complete Divine Beings, three Divine Spirits. However, the Holy Trinity is so united that we always have one Deity in all three Persons.

When talking about Christ, we believe that He is one of the Trinity who became man. In order to discuss His embodiment more deeply, we must first understand the important teaching of the ,,logos of matter".

Our creation itself is made up of certain divine energies, which create and enable the existence of our creation. Christ is fully human like us, but His person pre-exists.

 

[Milan Nikolic]

If you are up for the ride, to understand the Bible more easily through quantum physics and a new interpretation of ,,creation", I will be in the mood.

 

[Milan Nikolic]

Christian theologians often use analogies to make it easier to understand what is not possible to prove about the existence of God as a Holy Trinity. However, we must understand this as polemical theology, not a literal explanation of God's existence.

So, I have an analogy to present. An example of bullet grain and a pistol is interesting to me. If we, like a grain, ask ourselves where we were shot from, everyone will say that we are from one gun, as if from one God. And about a pistol, we can say that it is triune.

Where I live, the gun law states that each of the three parts of a pistol must be considered a weapon and must have an engraved serial number. Those parts are the frame, the slide, and the barrel. So we always talk about one gun, but that gun exists and functions in a triune way.

We say the same about God. Everything is from the Father, through the Son, and in the Holy Spirit.

 

[Randy]

Randy

We can say that the Three Persons of the Holy Trinity are three complete Divine Beings, three Divine Spirits. However, the Holy Trinity is so united that we always have one Deity in all three Persons.

When talking about Christ, we believe that He is one of the Trinity who became man. In order to discuss His embodiment more deeply, we must first understand the important teaching of the ,,logos of matter".

Our creation itself is made up of certain divine energies, which create and enable the existence of our creation. Christ is fully human like us, but His person pre-exists.

I can say the Father is the only true "unbegotten" God and His First begotten, Jesus, shares "His" nature. They are two persons and it is only Deity shared. The Fathers.
I don't know anything about Divine energies. I do know the Deity of the First and Last and I do know the name of His Son. I do know the fullness of the Deity of the First and the Last lives in His Son and they are one and the Son is ALL that His Father is in that unity of oneness.

I don't read of a 3rd person.
One God identified as the Father and One Lord Christ identified as Jesus. They are one.

Those two are noted not any 3rd.

Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all that is in them, saying: “To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be praise and honor and glory and power, for ever and ever!”

I do see a person in regard to the Spirit just not a 3rd person - The Father and His Spirit would have His nature. When the Father sends His Spirit by His Son in Jesus's name then the Holy Spirit, and there's only one, is in the persona of the Son in those found in the faith. The Spirit of Christ. In that manner both Father and Son live in those found to be in the faith Paul spoke of.

Those who listen and learn from the Father go to the Son. Its His Spirit.

Fathers promise, "In the last days I will pour out "My" Spirit. And Jesus stated the Father would send the Spirit in His name. Acts 2 states the Spirit Jesus sent He received from the Father. He would not receive His own spirit from another.

Matt 10:20
..for it will not be you speaking, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you.

Just two Father and His Son and His Christ. One God the Father and one Lord Jesus Christ.
REV 22:3
No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and his servants will serve him.

This is not in question by me. I hold to the nature found in the Son but it is the Fathers nature not His own.
The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, - how? Col 1:19 -by the will of His God and Father all the fullness dwells in the Son.

Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.
The Word of the Father who is life.
For I gave them the words you gave me and they accepted them. They knew with certainty that I came from you, and they believed that you sent me.

 

[Milan Nikolic]

Randy

In traditional theology, the teaching about the energies of God, and the distinction between the energies and the essence of God, is very important for us.

As for God the Father, He is the basis of the unity of God, but there is a distinction in theological perspectives. The essence of God also represents the unity of God.

 

[Milan Nikolic]

If we were to simplify the key question of Triadology, as the fathers have done from the first centuries to the present, then we would come to the question of the Order in the Holy Trinity. It is understood that this is the most profound question, which the fathers said will be resolved only in the future, ,,when God wills and pleases".

 

[Randy]

Randy

In traditional theology, the teaching about the energies of God, and the distinction between the energies and the essence of God, is very important for us.

As for God the Father, He is the basis of the unity of God, but there is a distinction in theological perspectives. The essence of God also represents the unity of God.

God is Spirit. There is only one unbegotten true God. Therefore only one Spirit of the Sovereign Lord. As shown He lives in His Son in all fullness. The Son is the image of that one God. The exact imprint of that one Gods being in that unity of Spirit not essence. Simply stated Jesus is all that His Father is and in that context only He is God. The begotten God or the only like to like begotten Son of the Father. Jesus is the first begotten of the Father before all things, His spirit, He has always been the Son with His own spirit, (not God), with a beginning at some point in history before the world began. The fullness that was pleased to dwell in Him was gifted not begotten.

I assure you the Son who was, His spirit, was in the body prepared for Him and the Father was living in Him.

"Father into your hands I commit "MY" spirit" -The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of our heavenly Father. The Fathers promise sent in Jesus's name.

Why would Jesus need to receive His own spirit from the Father? And Jesus taught the Spirit proceeds from the Father who would send the Spirit in His name. And why would Jesus speak of that Gift of God as "another" advocate if it was His Spirit? As pointed out the Father does not speak of that Spirit as another, As shown, the Fathers promise, in the last days God states , "I will pour out "My" Spirit.

Why the need?
About the "Son"
When God sends the firstborn into the world He commands all His angels to bow to Him.

Its always been the church of the Firstborn.

I use reason and scripture with you but your free to believe what you state.

I agree in part.
Begotten of the Father alone before all things but not made.
And as I read, One God the Father and one Lord Jesus Christ. To Him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb. No 3rd person. The Spirit of God is the person of the Father. When sent in Jesus name the person of the Son and Father. As Jesus taught both He and His Father would make their home with the believer in Him.

I know who my Lord is. He is Gods firstborn and has always been the Son and He is ALL that His Father is.

Yet for me, there is but one God the Father from whom all things come and one Lord Jesus Christ through whom all things come.

 

[Milan Nikolic]

Randy

If I understand correctly, you believe that God is one Spirit, the Spirit of the Father. Then the Father gives birth to a kind of mask, to have the role of spirit from the Spirit of the Father, to be the Son. This mask is then placed on the man Jesus. And finally, we call such a Spirit and His Son the Holy Spirit.

However, such and similar ideas have already been considered by the Church during the Ecumenical Councils. The word person means a full and complete being, so for the three persons of the Holy Trinity it is understood that they are Three full and complete Beings.

 

[Randy]

Randy

If I understand correctly, you believe that God is one Spirit, the Spirit of the Father. Then the Father gives birth to a kind of mask, to have the role of spirit from the Spirit of the Father, to be the Son. This mask is then placed on the man Jesus. And finally, we call such a Spirit and His Son the Holy Spirit.

However, such and similar ideas have already been considered by the Church during the Ecumenical Councils. The word person means a full and complete being, so for the three persons of the Holy Trinity it is understood that they are Three full and complete Beings.

My position is NT. You have Jesus's testimony who lives in Him and they are ONE as we are one with Jesus. I don't see a mask and Jesus was very clear the Father living in Him doing His work. From the will of another. Col 1:19

God created, not Jesus, by/through His Son. That is the Fathers deity living in Him doing His work. The Fathers works Jesus's performs testifies to the truth that He and the Father are one and that states He is ALL that the Father is. The image of the invisible God. God in that context. If you see Him, you have seen the Father as they are one.
Hebrews 1
In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe.
From whom ALL things come -the Father the only unbegotten God
Why do you think its stated "God" our Father? Jesus is not our heavenly Father. He is our Lord. Gods Christ.
“You are worthy, our Lord and God, to receive glory and honor and power, for you created all things, and by your will they were created and have their being.”

I have not introduced anything new. The church did. It should be clear to all the eternal life found in the Son is the Father. Besides I asked Jesus in prayer decades ago "can anyone explain the trinity" He answered. He is Gods firstborn and has always been the Son. He is ALL that the Father is.
The firstborn of all creation. I prefer truth even if people don't like my answers. It certainly would be easier on me to state what you believe but it would be a lie. I cannot unknow the understanding instilled in me from above. God Himself made me a rock in this topic. Including the Son who was, His spirit, was in the body prepared for Him. The person of the Son did in fact descend and ascend to where He was before. Not some newly created human spirit in Mary's womb. Your foundation is Mystery. Mine is NT.

Me as well
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

I agree in part. My Lord has a beginning at some point in history before the world began. He has always been the Son. One in whom God was pleased that all His fullness should live.

Agree in part.
Born of the Father alone before all things but not made.

 

[Milan Nikolic]

Randy

The birth of the Son from the Father is not connected with history, even if it was before the beginning of the world. The beginning of the Son is not in history, but in eternity. That is why in theology it is said that the persons of God are without beginning.

When several persons are united, this does not mean that we have one person. Both husband and wife become one, but they remain two persons. It is extremely important that we understand the person as a true and complete being.

If we say that the Son was born of the Father at one point in history, then we have a Father who was once not a Father. But God the Father is eternally the Father, in whom the Son and the Holy Spirit are eternally.

 

[Randy]

Randy

The birth of the Son from the Father is not connected with history, even if it was before the beginning of the world. The beginning of the Son is not in history, but in eternity. That is why in theology it is said that the persons of God are without beginning.

Yet the Father in speaking of a God such as Himself stated there was no God "formed" before Him nor one after Him.
Therefore, the truth given is this "If the Father has a beginning it could not be from any other being"
Jesus is begotten of the Father. The Father is unbegotten.

When several persons are united, this does not mean that we have one person. Both husband and wife become one, but they remain two persons. It is extremely important that we understand the person as a true and complete being.

If we say that the Son was born of the Father at one point in history, then we have a Father who was once not a Father. But God the Father is eternally the Father, in whom the Son and the Holy Spirit are eternally.

You make your own premise with your own conclusion as it were fact. What scripture stated what you believe? If Jesus always was how did He become the Son? If He was not the Fathers Son in the beginning, then whose Son was He?
This is why its God (singular) is our Father and Jesus's Father. His Spirit alone gives birth to spirit. (From whom all things come) He became a Father with Jesus and Jesus was formed as a Son.
“You are worthy, our Lord and God, to receive glory and honor and power, for you created all things, and by your will they were created and have their being.”

It stated True God "from" true God. How is one from another as a Son that has no beginning to qualify the word "from"? This shows the will of another. Col 1:19

It stated begotten of the Father alone before all things but He's unbegotten. How is that so? What does the word begotten mean and how is the Father involved if "His" Son is true God with no beginning?

Its stated He had a human body and a human spirit. What part of Him was God?

He is the Firstborn of all creation and the beginning of the creation of God. In Him was pleased the fullness to dwell. In Him not Him. Who did Jesus state lives in Him? And didn't He state He gave us the gift that Father gave Him? That we may one as they are one. The Father in Him and He in us.

Just 2 persons. (not eternal Father but our Father and Jesus's Father) Who does exist eternally through the passage of time.
Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Just 2
To the one who is victorious, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I was victorious and sat down with my Father on his throne.

Just 2 persons
The Father alone is unbegotten.
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

Just 2 persons
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

The Spirit of the Father is the person of the Father.

I think we will have to agree to disagree as we are circling now.

Peace

 

[Milan Nikolic]

You have so far consistently stated about the Son that: "He is ALL that His Father is". Now you are already giving the possibility that there is a difference in the persons, that there is still a person of the Son who is not the person of the Father, and vice versa. However, why then do you not accept the existence of a Third Person, the Holy Spirit? Because, even with Two Persons, you will certainly be persecuted by those who misinterpret polytheism.

 

[Randy]

You have so far consistently stated about the Son that: "He is ALL that His Father is". Now you are already giving the possibility that there is a difference in the persons, that there is still a person of the Son who is not the person of the Father, and vice versa. However, why then do you not accept the existence of a Third Person, the Holy Spirit? Because, even with Two Persons, you will certainly be persecuted by those who misinterpret polytheism.

The Son has His own, mind, will and spirit distinct from His Father. He is the first begotten Son, a child, of His God and Father. Before all things. The Firstborn of all creation. Hence the writer of Hebrews took pain to contrast the Superiority of His sonship vs the angels of God.

God created through His Son.

God was pleased that all "His" fullness was to dwell in His Son. Jesus and the Father are one as He taught. How then could Jesus NOT be all that His Father is if He and the Father are ONE?

The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.

Is Jesus God?
He never dies.
Yes, He is all that the Father is.
No, He has always been the Son.

Just two.
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.


And it has always been the church of the Firstborn.
But you have come to Mount Zion, to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem. You have come to thousands upon thousands of angels in joyful assembly, 23to the church of the firstborn, whose names are written in heaven. You have come to God, the Judge of all, to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, 24to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.
I

 

[Milan Nikolic]

You have asked a question to which, I suppose, you expect some answer. You asked what is in Jesus that is God Himself? The Orthodox answer is that it is His Person. The embodiment God is the Person of the Son of God, and the Father did not embodied and the Person of the Father is „other" in relation to the Person of the Son.

In theology we have a term for this: „personal properties". So, no matter how intertwined the persons are, if they are one in the other, they will be completely special in that unity. I find something interesting in this conversation with all the members. I will give a small example that may be useful.

Namely, members 7thMoon, locust, and you, have in yours avatars the first letters of yours signatures. Let us imagine that each of them tries to represent God. The letter L represents God, but it has two divine lines. So does the number 7. And the letter R, has an even more pronounced circular center, as the essence of God.

There are many nice depictions of the Holy Trinity, as much as our understanding can receive. It is necessary to believe in the Holy Trinity as Christians, as the holy fathers have conveyed to us, in situations where it led to martyrdom for them. Pope Martin, Maximus the Confessor, etc.

 

[Randy]

You have asked a question to which, I suppose, you expect some answer. You asked what is in Jesus that is God Himself? The Orthodox answer is that it is His Person. The embodiment God is the Person of the Son of God, and the Father did not embodied and the Person of the Father is „other" in relation to the Person of the Son.

In theology we have a term for this: „personal properties". So, no matter how intertwined the persons are, if they are one in the other, they will be completely special in that unity. I find something interesting in this conversation with all the members. I will give a small example that may be useful.

Namely, members 7thMoon, locust, and you, have in yours avatars the first letters of yours signatures. Let us imagine that each of them tries to represent God. The letter L represents God, but it has two divine lines. So does the number 7. And the letter R, has an even more pronounced circular center, as the essence of God.

There are many nice depictions of the Holy Trinity, as much as our understanding can receive. It is necessary to believe in the Holy Trinity as Christians, as the holy fathers have conveyed to us, in situations where it led to martyrdom for them. Pope Martin, Maximus the Confessor, etc.

I never asked what is in Jesus that is God Himself. Jesus is not God in Himself only He is a child of the Father. I stated the fullness that was pleased to dwell in Him from the will of another is and remains the Father's Deity. I state God from true God not true God from true God The eternal life found in the Son is the Father. That the Father lives in Him as He Himself stated and they are one just as Jesus and those found in Him are one. I ask how is Jesus NOT all that the Father is since He and the Father are ONE?

But again how do you believe Jesus is "from" the Father as a Son if He has no beginning? As in true God from true God.
I asked if Jesus had a human body and a Human spirit what part of Him was God?
I asked what part of Jesus descended from heaven if NOT His own spirit?

Jesus calls the Father the only true God. If He always was and always was God how does this believe in one God for Jesus stated on the cross, "Father into your hands I commit MY spirit"?

Why would Jesus speak of another from Himself if it was His spirit?
If you love me, keep my commands. 16And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— 17the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him.

I pointed out the Father does not speak of that Spirit as another.
The Fathers promise, "In the last days I will pour out MY Spirit..."

Isn't it written the body is the temple of "The Holy Spirit"?

Again why would Jesus need to receive His own spirit from the Father? The Spirit the Father alone calls His own and the Father alone is the one Jesus states is the only true God. Thats NT,not creeds that state things that are so with a foundation of mystery.
Acts 2
God has raised this Jesus to life, and we are all witnesses of it. 33 to the right hand of God, he has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear

Those who listen and learn from the FATHER go to the Son. It should be clear to all the Holy Spirit is witnessing. As I stated I see the person of the Father, the only true unbegotten God. Jesus is HIS first begotten Son. The beginning of the creation of God. The firstborn of all creation. The fullness of the Deity of the First and Last, His God and Father, was gifted to dwell/live in Him forever. He and the Father are one. Since He and the Father are ONE then He has to be is ALL that the Father is. Hebrews 1:3 The image of the invisible God not the invisible God. He is GODS Son and GODS Christ.
Rev 3:14 KJV
And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;

proverbs 8
You think God created wisdom? Was He unwise before that point in time?

“The Lord brought me forth as the first of his work before his deeds of old"

I was formed long ages ago,
at the very beginning, when the world came to be.
24:When there were no watery depths, I was given birth,
when there were no springs overflowing with water;
25 before the mountains were settled in place,
before the hills, I was given birth,
26 before he made the world or its fields
or any of the dust of the earth

I was there when he set the heavens in place,
when he marked out the horizon on the face of the deep,

Then I was constantly at his side.
I was filled with delight day after day,
rejoicing always in his presence,

For those who find me find life
and receive favor from the Lord.
36 But those who fail to find me harm themselves;
all who hate me love death.

The Christ is the most exalted, not David -God by His own authority appoints His Firstborn to Davids line and fulfills His promise to David, "I will establish his line forever, his throne as long as the heavens endure."
Because as Jesus Himself stated if the Christ was the Son of David then why does David call Him Lord as in the Lord stated to my Lord sit at my right hand "until" I make your enemies a footstool for your feet"
Psalm 89
And I will appoint him to be my firstborn,
the most exalted of the kings of the earth.
28 I will maintain my love to him forever,

Hebrews 1:6 -about the Son not just about the Christ-the one GOD created the creation through. The one GOD appointed heir of ALL things.

From your perspective why the need? I have shown you why the need.
And again, when he brings the firstborn into the world, he says, “Let all God’s angels worship him.”

I use reason and scripture that is all I have to give. I am not anyone in authority, but I do know My Lord and He knows me.

Feel free to ask Him if He's Gods Firstborn and has always been the Son.
"Can anyone explain the Trinty"
James 1:5
If any of you lacks wisdom, you should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to you.

Those who could answer such questions about the trinity were driven out when their answers weren't liked.