The Trinity

[Free]

But you told me that if it could be comprehended then it can't be GOD. Now your backpedaling again it seems.

No, I've been consistent. When I suggest that someone doesn't understand the doctrine of the Trinity, I mean that they are not understanding the doctrine as it is stated, not that they don't understand the ontological nature of God and how he is triune.

There are three foundations of a basic definition of the Trinity, as given by James R. White:

1. There is only one God.
2. There are three divine persons.
2. The persons are coequal and coeternal.

The questions that were asked presuppose either that there is no distinction between the persons, that they're all actually the same person, or that there are three gods . But to assume either is to not understand what the doctrine itself states.

So, "did God send themselves [himself]"? In a sense, yes, because both the Father and the Son are truly God. The first person of the Trinity sent the second person. But did one person send himself or pray to himself? Of course not. In trying to point out the seeming absurdity of the Trinity, it was only shown that the doctrine wasn't understood.

We cannot fully comprehend God--he is infinite, we are not. If God could be fully comprehended, then he cannot be infinite and, therefore, cannot be God. But God has given us much revelation about himself in scripture that we can understand, even though it isn't exhaustive and we can't fully comprehend it.

How can God be three persons in one being? I don't know; that is beyond my comprehension. But what he reveals is that he is only God, yet also that he is the Father, the Son, and Holy Spirit, all being coequal and coeternal. He reveals a plurality within the unity, and that is what we have to makes sense of and believe.

 

[popsthebuilder]

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[popsthebuilder]

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It's simpler than that; and logically sound
doctrine. There is One GOD that is spirit. That Holy Spirit that is the Spirit of the FATHER was pleased to dwell within HIS Holy Temple which was Jesus and is now believers as a whole.

One GOD which is generally regarded as the Holy Spirit in trinitarian doctrine, and in scripture quite often.

It is the Spirit that gives life.

 

[Free]

Free ; pertaining to post # 521


It's simpler than that; and logically sound
doctrine. There is One GOD that is spirit. That Holy Spirit that is the Spirit of the FATHER was pleased to dwell within HIS Holy Temple which was Jesus and is now believers as a whole.

One GOD which is generally regarded as the Holy Spirit in trinitarian doctrine, and in scripture quite often.

It is the Spirit that gives life.

It isn't that simple, as that ignores plain language and grammar. As such, it is not logically sound. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are always mentioned as distinct, yet each is talked about in a way that makes them fully and truly God.

Joh 14:10 Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own authority, but the Father who dwells in me does his works.
Joh 14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father and the Father is in me, or else believe on account of the works themselves.
...
Joh 14:16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever,
Joh 14:17 even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you.
Joh 14:18 “I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.
...
Joh 14:26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.

Joh 15:26 “But when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness about me.

Joh 16:13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.
Joh 16:14 He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you.
Joh 16:15 All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you.
...
Joh 16:27 for the Father himself loves you, because you have loved me and have believed that I came from God.
Joh 16:28 I came from the Father and have come into the world, and now I am leaving the world and going to the Father.”
Joh 16:29 His disciples said, “Ah, now you are speaking plainly and not using figurative speech!
Joh 16:30 Now we know that you know all things and do not need anyone to question you; this is why we believe that you came from God.”
Joh 16:31 Jesus answered them, “Do you now believe?
Joh 16:32 Behold, the hour is coming, indeed it has come, when you will be scattered, each to his own home, and will leave me alone. Yet I am not alone, for the Father is with me.

Joh 17:5 And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed.

(All ESV.)

The NT continually makes the distinction between the three persons. If they were one and the same, this would be deceptive and dishonest. There is one God, yes, but that one God exists as three coeternal, coequal persons.

 

[CherubRam]

Before it was determined that the Holy Spirit was a third person of a Trinity, (by the Catholics in the 4th century) it was understood that "Holy Spirit" was a title for the Father.

Genesis 1:2
Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

Leviticus 24:15
15 Say to the Israelites: ‘Anyone who curses their God will be held responsible; 16 anyone who blasphemes the name of (the Lord / Yahwah) is to be put to death.

Matthew 12:31
And so I tell you, every kind of sin and slander can be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.

Luke 12:10
And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.

John 4:24
God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”

Revelation 4:8
Each of the four living creatures had six wings and was covered with eyes all around, even under its wings. Day and night they never stop saying: “‘Holy, holy, holy is (the Lord / Yahwah) God Almighty,’

 

[popsthebuilder]

It isn't that simple, as that ignores plain language and grammar. As such, it is not logically sound. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are always mentioned as distinct, yet each is talked about in a way that makes them fully and truly God.

Let's go over the verses you've posited here and see which contradict what I've stated.

Joh 14:10 Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own authority, but the Father who dwells in me does his works.

That one completely agrees with what I said.

Joh 14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father and the Father is in me, or else believe on account of the works themselves.

That one too. Strange...

...
Joh 14:16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever,
Joh 14:17 even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you.

That one too. Jesus wasn't going to conflate self with GOD, or the Spirit of GOD within Him, with His own will. It is clearly shown that Jesus had a will apart from the will of GOD when He Says "not my will, but yours be done".

Joh 14:18 “I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.
...
Joh 14:26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.

And still; no contradiction here. Of course the Spirit of truth would bring the truth. What else would It bring? Surely it would also align with the words of the Christ of GOD; He was given those truths to speak by the Spirit of the FATHER.

Joh 15:26 “But when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness about me.

Same one Spirit. Not sure where I'm loosing you.

Joh 16:13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.
Joh 16:14 He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you.
Joh 16:15 All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you.
...
Joh 16:27 for the Father himself loves you, because you have loved me and have believed that I came from God.

Not sure what your trying to get at. Of course believers believe that the Word/ Spirit/ Light of God Comes from GOD. Of course Jesus is going to be certain to distinguish between Himself and the ONE who caused Him, whom He pleased.

Joh 16:28 I came from the Father and have come into the world, and now I am leaving the world and going to the Father.”

Yes; Jesus the man was not GOD the FATHER. He came out from GOD and returned to GOD. That is the Word/ Light/ Spirit of GOD comes from GOD alone, and returns to GOD; yet not alone.

Joh 16:29 His disciples said, “Ah, now you are speaking plainly and not using figurative speech!
Joh 16:30 Now we know that you know all things and do not need anyone to question you; this is why we believe that you came from God.”

I'm glad we agree that the anointing Spirit of GOD comes from GOD. pretty simple, right?

Joh 16:31 Jesus answered them, “Do you now believe?
Joh 16:32 Behold, the hour is coming, indeed it has come, when you will be scattered, each to his own home, and will leave me alone. Yet I am not alone, for the Father is with me.

Indeed. They were united in Spirit. The Word and Spirit of GOD filled the Holy Temple.

Joh 17:5 And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed.

I'm guessing you don't deny that GOD doesn't share HIS glory according to scripture right? So of course, this again is speaking of the Word/ Spirit/ Light of GOD; and not some other being beside GOD who is coeternal and coequal. That literally makes partners to GOD; As if GOD alone needed anyone else. As if there is any other to call on besides GOD almighty. One GOD almighty has no need for two other GOD almighties. I know you don't call it that, but that is exactly what it equates to. Each of the three that are distinct/ separate, are all GOD almighty... No.

(All ESV.)

The NT continually makes the distinction between the three persons. If they were one and the same, this would be deceptive and dishonest. There is one God, yes, but that one God exists as three coeternal, coequal persons.

What a joke.

 

[Free]

Before it was determined that the Holy Spirit was a third person of a Trinity, (by the Catholics in the 4th century) it was understood that "Holy Spirit" was a title for the Father.

That’s hard to believe since Tertullian said there were three persons in the late 2nd to early 3rd century. It was likely believed before that.

Genesis 1:2
Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

Leviticus 24:15
15 Say to the Israelites: ‘Anyone who curses their God will be held responsible; 16 anyone who blasphemes the name of (the Lord / Yahwah) is to be put to death.

Matthew 12:31
And so I tell you, every kind of sin and slander can be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.

Luke 12:10
And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.

John 4:24
God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”

Revelation 4:8
Each of the four living creatures had six wings and was covered with eyes all around, even under its wings. Day and night they never stop saying: “‘Holy, holy, holy is (the Lord / Yahwah) God Almighty,’

I agree with all these verses.

 

[Free]

Let's go over the verses you've posited here and see which contradict what I've stated.

That one completely agrees with what I said.

That one too. Strange...

That one too. Jesus wasn't going to conflate self with GOD, or the Spirit of GOD within Him, with His own will. It is clearly shown that Jesus had a will apart from the will of GOD when He Says "not my will, but yours be done".

And still; no contradiction here. Of course the Spirit of truth would bring the truth. What else would It bring? Surely it would also align with the words of the Christ of GOD; He was given those truths to speak by the Spirit of the FATHER.

Same one Spirit. Not sure where I'm loosing you.

Not sure what your trying to get at. Of course believers believe that the Word/ Spirit/ Light of God Comes from GOD. Of course Jesus is going to be certain to distinguish between Himself and the ONE who caused Him, whom He pleased.

Yes; Jesus the man was not GOD the FATHER. He came out from GOD and returned to GOD. That is the Word/ Light/ Spirit of GOD comes from GOD alone, and returns to GOD; yet not alone.

I'm glad we agree that the anointing Spirit of GOD comes from GOD. pretty simple, right?

Indeed. They were united in Spirit. The Word and Spirit of GOD filled the Holy Temple.

They all contradict what you’re saying. Again, it comes down to language and grammar. They are consistently thought of as distinct from one another. The Father isn’t the Son (preincarnate or otherwise) or the Holy Spirit and the Son isn’t the Holy Spirit. That is what those verses show.

I'm guessing you don't deny that GOD doesn't share HIS glory according to scripture right? So of course, this again is speaking of the Word/ Spirit/ Light of GOD; and not some other being beside GOD who is coeternal and coequal. That literally makes partners to GOD; As if GOD alone needed anyone else. As if there is any other to call on besides GOD almighty. One GOD almighty has no need for two other GOD almighties. I know you don't call it that, but that is exactly what it equates to. Each of the three that are distinct/ separate, are all GOD almighty... No.

Going back to John 1:1-3, there was never a time when the Word did not exist in intimate relationship with the Father. This is further supported by 1) that God never shares his glory, yet Jesus said he shared the Father’s glory before creation, and 2) God is love. Remember, in order for God to be love, there necessarily must have been at least two persons. Your position cannot account for this, which leaves a god that is less than the one true God.

What a joke.

No joke; it all proves your position wrong.

 

[popsthebuilder]

They all contradict what you’re saying. Again, it comes down to language and grammar. They are consistently thought of as distinct from one another. The Father isn’t the Son (preincarnate or otherwise) or the Holy Spirit and the Son isn’t the Holy Spirit. That is what those verses show.

The Father isn't the son of man. I agree.

You claiming the Father isn't the Holy Spirit is just your indoctrinated opinion. That cannot be proven with scripture, but I can and have shown (as have others) that the Father is spirit and to that the Holy Spirit refers to the spirit of the FATHER.

Going back to John 1:1-3, there was never a time when the Word did not exist in intimate relationship with the Father.

Actually; it says "in the beginning" where as GOD is eternal and apart from any beginning. This "beginning" actually coincides with Genesis' "in the beginning" when GOD started speaking things into existence. We can't say anything past that about when GOD spoke or time/ space began. We can say that GOD spoke everything into existence with HIS Word though.

This is further supported by 1) that God never shares his glory, yet Jesus said he shared the Father’s glory before creation, and

The Word of GOD returning to GOD is not GOD sharing HIS glory; it's HIS Word returning to HIM.

2) God is love. Remember, in order for God to be love, there necessarily must have been at least two persons. Your position cannot account for this, which leaves a god that is less than the one true God.

Actually; GOD is love towards creation. Not just some vague usage that must imply three GOD almighties. GOD so loved the world...?

No joke; it all proves your position wrong.

Sure it does. There isn't a verse in scripture that doesn't align with what I believe...and it's actually sound. Conversely; you won't find a single verse in the whole book claiming GOD is three anything; let alone persons. You won't see it mention any man or son of man being coequal or coeternal either.

There isn't a sound point to the whole Trinity doctrine. It cannot be intelligibility defended in any way; with or without scripture.

Go ahead and show me a single verse that shows the will of GOD being done apart from the Holy Spirit of GOD ultimately doing it.

 

[Free]

The Father isn't the son of man. I agree.

The Father isn’t the Son of God or the Son of Man.

You claiming the Father isn't the Holy Spirit is just your indoctrinated opinion. That cannot be proven with scripture,

Nothing to do with indoctrination and everything to do with study and sound reasoning. The Father and the Holy Spirit are always kept distinct—the Father sends the Spirit; the Spirit proceeds from the Father. Both of those statements speak of distinctness.

The Spirit intercedes on our behalf before the Father (Rom 8:26-27), which only makes sense if they are distinct. It’s nonsense to say a person intercedes before himself or herself.

The “Spirit searches … the depths of God;” the Spirit “comprehends the thoughts of God;” and believes receive “the Spirit who is from God” (2 Cor 2:10-12). These all speak of the Spirit being in some way distinct from God, although he is God.

but I can and have shown (as have others) that the Father is spirit and to that the Holy Spirit refers to the spirit of the FATHER.

I have never seen it shown. The Holy Spirit is referred to with several names, including, in a single verse, the Spirit of God and Spirit of Christ (Rom 8:9). 1 Pet 1:11 also calls the Holy Spirit the Spirit of Christ, referencing back to the OT.

Actually; it says "in the beginning" where as GOD is eternal and apart from any beginning. This "beginning" actually coincides with Genesis' "in the beginning" when GOD started speaking things into existence. We can't say anything past that about when GOD spoke or time/ space began. We can say that GOD spoke everything into existence with HIS Word though.

As I showed, and you didn't address, When John says "In the beginning was," grammatically it means that when the beginning began, the Word was already in already existence. That is absolute existence, just as the Father has absolute existence, hence why John is consistent and says that "the Word was God." Yet, he very clearly states that the Word was in intimate relationship with another--"the Word was with God"--for all eternity past. It's also why Jesus can claim the name I Am (John 8:58) and it's not blasphemy.

It is repeated again in verse 2--"the Word was in the beginning with"--which means it is important; John is emphasizing the point. Verse 3 puts it all to rest by saying that not one thing has come into being (egeneto) without the Word. It necessarily follows that the Word cannot have come into being. This also reinforces what was said in verses 1 and 2.

Paul repeats the exact same line of reasoning in 1 Cor 8:6 and Col 1:16-17.

The Word of GOD returning to GOD is not GOD sharing HIS glory; it's HIS Word returning to HIM.

Again, Jesus clearly states that he shard in the glory of the Father prior to creation (John 17:5). This is consistent with what John states in 1:1-3 and Jesus's claim to be the I Am.

Actually; GOD is love towards creation. Not just some vague usage that must imply three GOD almighties. GOD so loved the world...?

No, on both counts. You don't seem to be understanding that John says "God is love." That is in the same manner as saying "God is spirit." God cannot not be spirit and he cannot not be love; both are essential characteristics of his nature. For love to be an essential characteristic of his nature, he had to actually be expressing that love. This isn't "just some vague usage," it's based on the very definition and highest expression of love, which one should fully expect from God, if he is truly God.

If God needs creation in order to love, then love is not an essential characteristic of his nature and, therefore, it cannot be said that "God is love," and he cannot be God. God loved the world because God is love and was in loving communion with the Son and the Holy Spirit for all eternity past.

Sure it does. There isn't a verse in scripture that doesn't align with what I believe

There is a lot, and much of what I have given in this thread you have yet to actually deal with.

...and it's actually sound. Conversely; you won't find a single verse in the whole book claiming GOD is three anything; let alone persons.

It's about the evidence and putting the pieces together.

You won't see it mention any man or son of man being coequal or coeternal either.

Why would a man be coeternal? Men are, by definition, created beings. As for the Son of Man, the Son of God, there is much that either implies or explicitly states that he is coequal and coeternal.

There isn't a sound point to the whole Trinity doctrine. It cannot be intelligibility defended in any way; with or without scripture.

It's been intelligently defended for millennia. If there was nothing in the Bible to support it, it would have never come to be the central doctrine of Christianity, or even if it had, it would have died out long ago. It wasn't created in a vacuum.

Go ahead and show me a single verse that shows the will of GOD being done apart from the Holy Spirit of GOD ultimately doing it.

All three persons continually act together, because they are each truly and fully God, being of the same substance and each interpenetrates the others. We see this in creation with God speaking and "the Spirit hovering over the face of the waters." This is why Jesus can say the Father is in him and he is in the Father, yet he does things by the power of the Holy Spirit. Each member of the Trinity has a different role in the salvation of humans and redemption of creation. The Son is the primary member of the Trinity who came in the flesh (John 1:1-4; Phil 2:5-8) but yet the Father and the Holy Spirit still are in and with Christ, working.

 

[CherubRam]

That’s hard to believe since Tertullian said there were three persons in the late 2nd to early 3rd century. It was likely believed before that.


I agree with all these verses.

That is true, but it was made official in the 4th century AD by the Catholic Church.

 

[7thMoon]

Can we talk about the Greek instead of the English more?

 

[grace2]

Can we talk about the Greek instead of the English more?

most of us don't have time to look through if all information is correct.

Isn't that your motivation so no one questions you?

 

[Free]

Can we talk about the Greek instead of the English more?

Certainly. I have tried many times but it’s never addressed.

 

[Free]

most of us don't have time to look through if all information is correct.

Isn't that your motivation so no one questions you?

It’s because the NT was written in Greek, so it is necessary as part of complete and proper study. It doesn’t mean you have to learn Greek, just get some books or use online references; see what the experts say. Just do a bit each day and make notes.

 

[Free]

That is true, but it was made official in the 4th century AD by the Catholic Church.

Okay, but that wasn’t your point. The Holy Spirit was thought of as a deity and a person long before the 4th century.

 

[7thMoon]

It’s because the NT was written in Greek, so it is necessary as part of complete and proper study. It doesn’t mean you have to learn Greek, just get some books or use online references; see what the experts say. Just do a bit each day and make notes.

Even a good textbook won't tell you the proper use of the Greek determiner. The determiner effects the meaning almost every passage of the NT including John 1:1-3,14. It has the opposite meaning of making a word unspecific. Something which is not expected.

Taking John 1:1-3 as an example.
1:1 Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος
In the beginning, it was a word, and a word it was with a God, and the God it was. A word
1:2 οὗτος ἦν ἐν ἀρχῇ πρὸς τὸν θεόν
another it was in the beginning with [a] God.
1:3 πάντα δι᾽ αὐτοῦ ἐγένετο καὶ χωρὶς αὐτοῦ ἐγένετο οὐδὲ ἕν ὃ γέγονεν
All things with it become, and without it becomes not one such that it has became.

Verse 1 says that God has a name. Verse 2 says there is another similar word, i.e. the other name. The beginning is not specific also to when it was. Verse 3 says all thing happened through the lesser word. They were not made. Notice also ουτος is a crasis of ο and αυτος. It refers specifically to a subject and a verb doing something similar.

 

[7thMoon]

most of us don't have time to look through if all information is correct.

Isn't that your motivation so no one questions you?

The motivation is to persuade, since we all tend to think we are right. :winkI like empirical evidence.

 

[Free]

Even a good textbook won't tell you the proper use of the Greek determiner. The determiner effects the meaning almost every passage of the NT including John 1:1-3,14. It has the opposite meaning of making a word unspecific. Something which is not expected.

Taking John 1:1-3 as an example.
1:1 Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος
In the beginning, it was a word, and a word it was with a God, and the God it was. A word
1:2 οὗτος ἦν ἐν ἀρχῇ πρὸς τὸν θεόν
another it was in the beginning with the God.
1:3 πάντα δι᾽ αὐτοῦ ἐγένετο καὶ χωρὶς αὐτοῦ ἐγένετο οὐδὲ ἕν ὃ γέγονεν
All things with it become, and without it becomes not one such that it has became.

Verse 1 says that God has a name.

Where does it say that? Why do you translate the definite article, ho, as "a" instead of "the" (it's never translated as "a," that I can see)? In the third clause of verse 1, why do you add the article in the English--"the God"--when there is no article there for God? The Greek you have provided shows this to be the case. The article is with the Word as it is the subject. In the Greek--καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος--which you have correctly given, it says "and God was the Word."

There is also no "it" in any of the clauses. So, why have you added "it" in the English? According to the Greek you have given, it should read: "In beginning was the Word, and the Word was with the God, and God was the Word."

https://biblehub.com/interlinear/john/1.htm

Verse 2 says there is another similar word, i.e. the other name.

What "other name"? Houtos has many meanings, but "other" or "another" aren't among them. It most is translated as "this," "these things," or "these." That is, in this context, it is translated as "He," "this one," or "the same," referring to the Word.

The beginning is not specific also to when it was. Verse 3 says all thing happened through the lesser word. They were not made. Notice also ουτος is a crasis of ο and αυτος. It refers specifically to a subject and a verb doing something similar.

What makes you think the Word is lesser?

 

[CherubRam]

Pantheion, Theion, Theos, Ton.
Pantheon, Theon.


Pantheion
Greek pantheion, from pan 'all' + theion 'Divine Eternal-s' (from theos 'divine.')
From Greek aion, meaning Eternal, for an infinite amount of time Pantheion: Pan/the/ion. All Divine Eternal-s. The word “All” makes it plural.

aeon or aion or eon
1. An immeasurably long period of time. From Greek, Aion, an infinitely long time.

Greek word TON and THEON.
From the Scripture4All program. Link: Scripture4All - Greek/Hebrew interlinear Bible software

The Greek word "TON" is translated 1583 times as "the;" And 18 times as "the -one." It is used before nouns to mean a {certain-one-person-s,} or place, or thing. However, different translations of Greek do not always agree. That is the reason for my interpretation of John 1:1 as "the only Divine Eternal." In English the word “one” can also be translated as “only.” TON: The only. THEON: Divine Eternal.

John 1:1
Greek:
en arche eimi ho logos kai ho logos eimi pros ton theon kai theos eimi ho logos

Interlinear:
en (in) arche (beginning) eimi (was) ho (the) logos (word) kai (and) ho (the) logos (word) eimi (was) pos (toward or with) ton (TON is a special definite article "the" meaning the one or only, it appears as TON instead of O in the Greek) theon (Divine Eternal) kai (and) theos (divine) eimi (was) ho (the) logos (word)

In English we have:
In beginning was the word, and the word was with (the one or only) Divine Eternal, and divine was the word.

Why do translators drop off the definite article TON (the one or only) before Divine Eternal?