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The Two Dispensations

Malachi said:
No David is not raised a sinner since David is presently in Heaven (with all the OT saints), and everything is under the New Covenant in Ezekiel. But we do not really know all the details, as to how and why the Temple is built and Temple sacrifices resumed. All we do know is that is the future Israel on earth under Christ.
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The chapters of Ezekiel 40 and beyond mention no king in isreal ,let alone a sinless prince .
 
Malachi said:
Why should they? All of that is in the earlier chapters.
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The covenant was for isreal or the gentile?



Nevermind the wife of a jew can't be as a close to God as her husband. She can't offer to God in the temple.why would God choose to have unrepentant jews who manage to survive the return of the Lord.?

The prince of david ,as a prince must be by blood or choosen.if David is back.the context given Is these Hebrews are without sin.
 
Still the Sacrifice of Christ is not enough to satisfy mankind ?...
No wonder the Church is weak...
 
reba said:
Still the Sacrifice of Christ is not enough to satisfy mankind ?...
No wonder the Church is weak...
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Agreed. There simply is no reason for the sacrifices to resume unless Christ's sacrifice isn't enough.
 
Joh 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
Joh 2:20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
Joh 2:21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
 
Free said:
Agreed. There simply is no reason for the sacrifices to resume unless Christ's sacrifice isn't enough.
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We can't pretend to fathom God, so let's not assume that we have all the answers sitting where we are. What Ezekiel describes is under the New Covenant, but how everything fits together is hidden from even the scholars and theologians.

Please note the words "for ever", "everlasting" and "for evermore" in this passage below. This goes beyond the Millennium and into eternity. What God says will surely come to pass, despite our humanistic reasoning.

And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein,even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever. Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore. My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people. And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore. (Ezek 37:25-28).
 
Malachi said:
We can't pretend to fathom God, so let's not assume that we have all the answers sitting where we are. What Ezekiel describes is under the New Covenant, but how everything fits together is hidden from even the scholars and theologians.

Please note the words "for ever", "everlasting" and "for evermore" in this passage below. This goes beyond the Millennium and into eternity. What God says will surely come to pass, despite our humanistic reasoning.

And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein,even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever. Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore. My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people. And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore. (Ezek 37:25-28).
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Is forever,really forever.Aaron was told his sons would be before him forever.yet Jesus isn't the son of a Levi. He fulfills that role but is the son of Judah
 
A Temple, a Tabernacle, a heart.....these are the places where God resides.

Jesus' body was a Temple... Because God resided there. But it could not contain the fullness of God...nothing can.

God is so big that you can never step back far enough to get away and take a look from afar.
 
netchaplain said:
Yes, I believe a third dispensation is the Millennium Kingdom because it transpires on the present earth prior to the new earth, which will begin eternity and no more dispensations.
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Amen, but a dispensation is a "Stewardship". God deals with man and their sins in a particular way, and in that stewardship, man is responsible to be faithful to God's will, but he fails every stewardship and brings judgement upon him self and suffers the consequences of his Adamic nature. Man has failed every stewardship of God's grace: The Garden (Gen. 2:16-17); Conscience (knowing the difference between right and wrong) (Gen. 4:7a); Human Government (Gen. 9:1 & 6); Promise to Abraham (Gen. 26:2-3); Law (Exod. 19:5-6; Rom. 10:5); Grace (John 1:11-13; 3:36); and the last stewardship will be the "Kingdom" (in the millennial Kingdom, men live in peace and prosperity for 1000 years after Satan is lock up.) But God allows Satan to be loosed again. And after living in the kingdom under God. Man once again follows after Satan when he is loosed (Rev. 20:3), In which brings to point: Without God...man is doomed! Then comes the final battle (Gog and Magog and the eternal state of Satan in the lake of fire) And then a new heaven and earth, Amen.
 
Will be the Kingdom? Yet Jesus says this about the Kingdom

Mat_3:2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Mat_4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Mat_10:7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Mar_1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
Luk_21:31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.

Mat_11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.

Mat 12:24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.
Mat 12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

Luk_10:9 And heal the sick that are therein, and say unto them, The kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.
Luk_10:11 Even the very dust of your city, which cleaveth on us, we do wipe off against you: notwithstanding be ye sure of this, that the kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.

Luk_11:20 But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.

Luk_17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
Luk_17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Luk_22:16 For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God.

Luk_24:30 And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed it, and brake, and gave to them.


Joh_18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.



Why do the Words of our Lord have so little value in the face of our ideas of His Kingdom?
 
reba said:
Will be the Kingdom? Yet Jesus says this about the Kingdom

Mat_3:2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Mat_4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Mat_10:7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Mar_1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
Luk_21:31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.

Mat_11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.

Mat 12:24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.
Mat 12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

Luk_10:9 And heal the sick that are therein, and say unto them, The kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.
Luk_10:11 Even the very dust of your city, which cleaveth on us, we do wipe off against you: notwithstanding be ye sure of this, that the kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.

Luk_11:20 But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.

Luk_17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
Luk_17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Luk_22:16 For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God.

Luk_24:30 And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed it, and brake, and gave to them.


Joh_18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.



Why do the Words of our Lord have so little value in the face of our ideas of His Kingdom?
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That's taking His words literally.
 
reba said:
Will be the Kingdom? Yet Jesus says this about the Kingdom

Mat_3:2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Mat_4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Mat_10:7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Mar_1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
Luk_21:31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.

Mat_11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.

Mat 12:24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.
Mat 12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

Luk_10:9 And heal the sick that are therein, and say unto them, The kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.
Luk_10:11 Even the very dust of your city, which cleaveth on us, we do wipe off against you: notwithstanding be ye sure of this, that the kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.

Luk_11:20 But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.

Luk_17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
Luk_17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Luk_22:16 For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God.

Could you explain what you mean Reba ?
Luk_24:30 And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed it, and brake, and gave to them.


Joh_18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.



Why do the Words of our Lord have so little value in the face of our ideas of His Kingdom?
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Douglas Summers are you asking me what i meant by posting this scripture?

Luk_24:30 And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed it, and brake, and gave to them.

I read this verse as he sat and ate with the guys
 
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reba said:
Douglas Summers are you asking me what i meant by posting this scripture?

Luk_24:30 And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed it, and brake, and gave to them.

I read this verse as he sat and ate with the guys
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NO, I was wondering what you were saying using all of those Scriptures. I know what the Scriptures say, I was wondering what you were trying to get across to the members by those Scriptures?
 
netchaplain said:
The following thread is directed to RevSRE and if the Admin/Mod team suggests using PM for this just let me know. Thanks! NC

To begin with I feel it should be noted that I do not believe in the term "spiritual Israel" when pertaining to the attempt to relate it to anyone within Christianity, because I've never seen Scripture relate the two as the same people. I believe it is often mistaken that Christianity will inherit anything (other than union with God, which does not presently include fellowship with Him) that Israel had, and will have during the Millennium.

Let me know if you have any questions so far about this.
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I have to disagree with you about the inheritance. The inheritance of the Christian is that of Abraham. God promised to give the land to Abraham and his Seed. That land is the Christian's hope.
 
Not_Now.Soon said:
While I agree with that assessment. There is one other thing to think on. Verse 10 says "In that day the root of Jesse, who shall stand as a signal for the peoples—of him shall the nations inquire, and his resting place."

This isn't the only place I think that mention of other nations come about when referring to those prophesied times. Jesus's is called the Lord of Lords, and the King of Kings. Not just the Lord of Isreal, and Isreal spans the entire earth. (Or even the new earth.) So does that mean there will be other nations as well. Possibly Isreal is still where Jesus reigns, and Jewish lineage lives in Isreal, but other nations still inhabit the earth? Perhaps Christians of non Jewish origins, or believers in God throughout history that were not Isrealies.

I don't know, but I think there is more to consider, or even rely on faith even if we don't find an answer.
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There will be nations on the earth during the millenium.
 
Butch5 said:
The inheritance of the Christian is that of Abraham.
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"that the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all" (Rom 4:16). "seed" / Abraham's posterity; "that which is of the law" / non-messianic Israel; "that which is of the faith of Abraham" / Christian Jews and Gentiles--Church.

The Gentiles receive the same faith as Abraham, making Abraham the father in the faith for the Gentiles, and the father of the faith for messianic Jews. The non-messianic Jew who believes in God, will believe in Jesus after God "puts His Spirit in them," at His appearing.

Presently the non-messianic Jews have not His Spirit, but the messianic Jew does, along with believing Gentiles.
 
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