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The Two Dispensations

netchaplain said:
"that the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all" (Rom 4:16). "seed" / Abraham's posterity; "that which is of the law" / non-messianic Israel; "that which is of the faith of Abraham" / Christian Jews and Gentiles--Church.

The Gentiles receive the same faith as Abraham, making Abraham the father in the faith for the Gentiles, and the father of the faith for messianic Jews. The non-messianic Jew who believes in God, will believe in Jesus after God "puts His Spirit in them," at His appearing.

Presently the non-messianic Jews have not His Spirit, but the messianic Jew does, along with believing Gentiles.
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Hi NC,

I'm not sure how this addresses the inheritance.
 
Butch5 said:
Hi NC,
I'm not sure how this addresses the inheritance.
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"This cup is the new covenant in My blood"--covenant of the Father with Christ--and believing Jews and Gentiles being the recipient of its benefit.

"And I will put My Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep My judgments, and do them"--No Gentile reference here.

"I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah"--No Gentiles here.
 
netchaplain said:
"This cup is the new covenant in My blood"--covenant of the Father with Christ--and believing Jews and Gentiles being the recipient of its benefit.

"And I will put My Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep My judgments, and do them"--No Gentile reference here.

"I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah"--No Gentiles here.
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I'm still not sure how this addresses the inheritance.
 
netchaplain said:
"that the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all" (Rom 4:16). "seed" / Abraham's posterity; "that which is of the law" / non-messianic Israel; "that which is of the faith of Abraham" / Christian Jews and Gentiles--Church.

The Gentiles receive the same faith as Abraham, making Abraham the father in the faith for the Gentiles, and the father of the faith for messianic Jews. The non-messianic Jew who believes in God, will believe in Jesus after God "puts His Spirit in them," at His appearing.

Presently the non-messianic Jews have not His Spirit, but the messianic Jew does, along with believing Gentiles.
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Hi netchaplain, God's promise to Abraham benefit the Gentile also, is clear in Scripture (Gen. 12:2-3) (Rom. 15:4-13). But inheritance in the New Covenant is a "POSITION", as Son's of God and joint heirs with Christ to the throne of God by Rebirth (born again believers). (Rom. 8:14-17) The "adoption of Sons". This does NOT have the meaning of taking someone out side the family and adopting them into a family as is erroneously taught in many Bible studies, but it is taking a child of God and making him an adult son (a position of authority and responsibility) or mature. For we know what God is doing. We went from servants of Christ to friends, and after the cross to be His brethren. (John 15:15) (John 20:17).

The problem with not having "sound doctrine" is because of the false teaching that the Church is the New Israel.....It is not!. Scripture tells us that there is an "ethnic division of the Scriptures" (1 Cor. 10:32). The whole of Scripture, when it speaks of Israel, Speaks of "ethnic Israel" except for one Scripture in (Gal. 6:16). In this Scripture it talks about the Israelite's that gave up justification by Law and accepted justification in Christ. Many of the Jewish convert of that time excepted Christ, but they thought you still had to be "circumcised" and obey certain Mosaic laws. But the Jew that held the teaching and Spirit of Paul's exhortation (Gal. 6:1-13) and his praise of those who believed as he (Gal 6:14-15) and his joy that the "ethnic Jew" who followed after Christ (The Israel of God) as do the (Gentiles of God) of which Christ, "out of the two" created one new man, knocking down the wall of ordinances. (Eph. 2:11-22). The Church claiming the promises of Israel to the Church has done more to hinder her progress than all other fallacies. Instead of following, non violence, poverty, and persecution, She has spent millions on beautiful buildings, material gain, and militant theology.
 
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Luk_22:16 For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God.

Luk_24:30 And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed it, and brake, and gave to them.
Douglas Summers said:
NO, I was wondering what you were saying using all of those Scriptures. I know what the Scriptures say, I was wondering what you were trying to get across to the members by those Scriptures?
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In my view the kingdom is not in some far off time .. Jesus plainly says the kingdom in within.. and God tells us in Romans what the is..
Rom_14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.


Seems to me most of mankind would rather have a David like kingdom then the Christ like kingdom..
 
reba said:
Luk_22:16 For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God.

Luk_24:30 And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed it, and brake, and gave to them.

In my view the kingdom is not in some far off time .. Jesus plainly says the kingdom in within.. and God tells us in Romans what the is..
Rom_14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.


Seems to me most of mankind would rather have a David like kingdom then the Christ like kingdom..
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Yes, all born again believers have that Spirit of Christ that gives them a righteous nature, peace that the Spirit of Christ brings like money brings to the flesh (a false peace) and joy by the Spirit of future things guaranteed. But that is not the kingdom itself, that is the nature of those who will occupy the kingdom, Righteousness, joy, peace.

The literal Kingdom will not have the Adamic natured soul present. For flesh and blood can not inherit the Kingdom of God.

The Davidic Kingdom will occur because it is a promise to Israel that can not be abrogated And Jesus is the promised Son of David that will fulfill that promise.
 
@Douoglas Summers for me to accept your view i woudl need an explanation that fits as to why God says this

Rom_14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

and help me understand why it is believed there is kingdom of this world when God says this ...

Joh_18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

The Jewish leaders 2000 years ago missed Him because they wanted a kingdom like Davids
 
reba said:
and help me understand why it is believed there is kingdom of this world when God says this ...

Joh_18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
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A part of the kingdom is us and we are not of this world, though the physical presence of the Kingdom is coming!
This is His world (1Cor 10:26) but not His Kingdom.
 
Sadly this thread show a low view of Jesus . Just as the people did 2000 years ago .. some things never change.
 
reba said:
@Douoglas Summers for me to accept your view i woudl need an explanation that fits as to why God says this

Rom_14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

and help me understand why it is believed there is kingdom of this world when God says this ...

Joh_18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

The Jewish leaders 2000 years ago missed Him because they wanted a kingdom like Davids
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Because, first of all Scripture says God will build up the Kingdom of Israel after the out calling of the Gentile to the Church,(Acts 15:14-18). That Scripture alone testifies to the rebuilding of The Kingdom of Israael) and the other is that when Christ said His kingdom was not of this world, it is interpreted as age (a period of time) the world under the influence of Satan. That period will come to an end of time predicted in Scripture. It is not a view, it is part of the Gospel. If you study what the Apostles and Paul preached, it was the grace of God in Jesus Christ and the kingdom (Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth as it is in Heaven.)
 
Douglas Summers said:
Reta, Here is a Bible study on that subject. It is by Scripture. If you are interested take a look.
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The house of david, nit the temple. If you disagree who built the temple Solomon or david?

BTW that's a messianic fulfillment only Christ is the king of isreal not any human as well King Jesus didn't deny he was king of Isreal.
 
jasonc said:
The house of david, nit the temple. If you disagree who built the temple Solomon or david?

BTW that's a messianic fulfillment only Christ is the king of isreal not any human as well King Jesus didn't deny he was king of Isreal.
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Of course Solomon built the Temple. He built it according to David's specification. But the tabernacle of David (a tent) was where David would fellowship with the Lord personally. It was a Holy meeting place where man and God would meet. And yes, Christ is the Son of David according to the flesh and God according to the Spirit. The Covenant was that the linage of King David would always occupy the throne of Israel. (Christ the King and Son of David) (2 Samuel 7:4-19) (Psalms 89:20-37) It is perpetual (forever)
 
Douglas Summers said:
Of course Solomon built the Temple. He built it according to David's specification. But the tabernacle of David (a tent) was where David would fellowship with the Lord personally. It was a Holy meeting place where man and God would meet. And yes, Christ is the Son of David according to the flesh and God according to the Spirit. The Covenant was that the linage of King David would always occupy the throne of Israel. (Christ the King and Son of David) (2 Samuel 7:4-19) (Psalms 89:20-37) It is perpetual (forever)
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No,the jews say it's his line
David had no personal tent,a king building his own altar?
 
jasonc said:
No,the jews say it's his line
David had no personal tent,a king building his own altar?
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I did not say He built the tent , To build again the Tabernacle of David is not material, it is Spiritual (the relationship between David and the Lord) The Psalms of David will give you the walk he had with the Lord. He was a man after the Lords own heart. That is the Tabernacle of David to be rebuilt.
 
Douglas Summers said:
I did not say He built the tent , To build again the Tabernacle of David is not material, it is Spiritual (the relationship between David and the Lord) The Psalms of David will give you the walk he had with the Lord. He was a man after the Lords own heart. That is the Tabernacle of David to be rebuilt.
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That's not what amos 9.you futurists are trip. Once again you make the case fir me.I'm of isreal.if a m
Million of jews like me exist and are saved what nation are we? Isreal or the church.you will say I'm with the church.yet one need not have a land to be part of isreal.
 
Douglas Summers said:
I did not say He built the tent , To build again the Tabernacle of David is not material, it is Spiritual (the relationship between David and the Lord) The Psalms of David will give you the walk he had with the Lord. He was a man after the Lords own heart. That is the Tabernacle of David to be rebuilt.
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on this we can agree..
 
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