what else would we talk about. while I don't obsess about end times. the fact is I LEARNED more about Jesus by studying that. ie the torah opened up to me. the imagery and what that means. I don't have it all figured out but is that a sin? NO.
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what else would we talk about. while I don't obsess about end times. the fact is I LEARNED more about Jesus by studying that. ie the torah opened up to me. the imagery and what that means. I don't have it all figured out but is that a sin? NO.
To my understanding When i asked God to let me read the scripture with a fresh mind things changed.... the 'value' of the Cross jumped out of the pages... I began to see the life/death of Jesus in a different light... Everything in the OT pointed so clearly forward to the Cross.... and everything in the NT pointed back to the Cross...
Seems so many of us are looking so far forward the Cross is just a blip in the path... IMO the Cross is the center of Gods timing center ... Not center as the middle point of a line but center as the child is the center of the parents life...
When i say the Cross i am speaking of His life death resurrection everything about Jesus... not the pieces of wood...
Seems so many of us are looking so far forward the Cross is just a blip in the path... IMO the Cross is the center of Gods timing center ... Not center as the middle point of a line but center as the child is the center of the parents life...
When i say the Cross i am speaking of His life death resurrection everything about Jesus... not the pieces of wood...
Now, from right there, can we discuss the Salvation of the Cross, and how it affects us today, so that we can find common ground, ie; UNITY OF THE SPIRIT.
Hopefully we can discuss how the truth of the prophecies that are yet UNFULFILLED, impact our salvation, as well as what we believe, so that what I post and what you post can be understood in the light of truth?
JLB
Well i see the events of 70AD as Gods vengeance on the unbelieving Jews of the day .... To me the Olivet discourse is clear on the subject... Just as God had warned the Hebrew Children of coming events I see the Olivet discourse as that same type of warning...
I read the Olivet discourse within Matt, Mark and Luke..The same story told a bit differently just as the Birth story is told.a bit differently with in the Gospels..
IMO The second coming of Christ is not the focus of the NT the Cross is..
The Cross:
The Sacrifice
The blood
The forgiveness
The atonement
The comforter
The removal of the vail
The grace
The opening of the Holy of Holies
The whole of the new covenant.
I am sure there ar more...
I read the Olivet discourse within Matt, Mark and Luke..The same story told a bit differently just as the Birth story is told.a bit differently with in the Gospels..
IMO The second coming of Christ is not the focus of the NT the Cross is..
The Cross:
The Sacrifice
The blood
The forgiveness
The atonement
The comforter
The removal of the vail
The grace
The opening of the Holy of Holies
The whole of the new covenant.
I am sure there ar more...
Ok.
Can you tell me when the reality of Salvation will come to pass?
so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation. Hebrews 9:28
The reality of Salvation will be seen at the redemption of our body.
Until then Salvation is not seen.
Faith is the substance of things hoped for, and the evidence of things not seen.
Until the redemption of our body takes place at the resurrection, we all have hope for salvation.
For we were saved in this hope, but hope that is seen is not hope;
But if we hope for what we do not see, we eagerly wait for it with perseverance.
For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God
19 For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God. 20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope; 21 because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now. 23 Not only that, but we also who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body. 24 For we were saved in this hope, but hope that is seen is not hope; for why does one still hope for what he sees? 25 But if we hope for what we do not see, we eagerly wait for it with perseverance. Romans 8:19-25
so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.
We all will realize the reality of our hope of Salvation when Jesus Comes a second time FOR SALVATION.
Salvation starts at the Cross.
Salvation will be fulfilled at the Second Coming.
Salvation will be realized at His Coming.
Here are the words that ensures the reality of the Salvation that was paid for on the Cross.
31 "When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. 33 And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then the King will say to those on His right hand, 'Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: Matthew 25:31-34
This is the Olivet Discourse! Matthew 25;31-34 Preterism says this has already happened in 70 AD!
JLB
what no subsection for the anti-Christ? meanie
Yes, it does seem to be only too obvious that obsession with the "predictions" of the past, or the "expectations" of a coming future of ... of... whatever.. will effectively keep one's mind, efforts and life totally off of what Jesus told us to concentrate upon..... living day-by-day to love those around us also trying to get through the present time, and to advance the kingdom of God.
Ever hour spent with our nosed buried in endtimes fascination is one hour we are not doing as Jesus would have us do. Satan is not dumb, at all. He knows what he is doing, and where our "distraction buttons" are located..... and he pushes then with regularity.
Ever hour spent with our nosed buried in endtimes fascination is one hour we are not doing as Jesus would have us do. Satan is not dumb, at all. He knows what he is doing, and where our "distraction buttons" are located..... and he pushes then with regularity.
You lost me JLB i am not following your train of thought
I will shorten up my post's.
Can you tell me when the reality of Salvation will come to pass?
so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation. Hebrews 9:28
JLB
The Coming "whatever", as you call it, is called The Kingdom of God.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ's at His coming. 24Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. 1 Corinthians 15:22-24
When He puts an end to all rule and power!
Do you like the way Obama rules with his authority.
Would you like for ISIS to rule?
All these wicked rulers will be rounded up, and cast into the everlasting fires of hell, then the righteous ones will shine in the Kingdom of God,
40 Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age. 41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, 42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear! Matthew 13:40-43
The kingdoms of this world will have become the kingdoms of our Lord and His Christ.
The kingdoms of this world will have become as chaff on the summer threshing floor, and the wind will have carried them away, so that no trace of them was to be found.
No trace of them... Has not come into reality yet!
JLB
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The virgins prepared, having oil figurative of being filled with the Holy Spirit enter the wedding prior to the doors being closed. They are not the bride, but which group of all in heaven are said to be virgins?
e.w.bullinger probably has a good word about this,
and here's the best i've seen fwiw >
"This parable may be divided into seven parts: (1) the ten virgins going forth to meet the bridegroom (v.1); (2) the two different classes of virgins (vv.2-4); (3) their history or process (vv. 5-7); (4) the discovery of a lack (vv. 8-9); (5) the distinction (v.10); (6) the request of the foolish (vv.11-12); and (7) the lesson (v.13).
v.1 “Then” refers to the time of parousia. “The kingdom of heaven” and not the church is in view here. The kingdom of heaven is the sphere of the righteousness of God, the realm in which God rules and reigns.
“Virgins” refer to Christians; and “bridegroom” to the Lord. .... "
from
http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/Matthew_25.htm
Sinthesis
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Then you have to ask who is the bride?
Rev 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. These firstfruits are of all the tribes of the children of Israel having been sealed of God.
Sinthesis
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Studying endtimes is not a problem in and of itself. However, obsessing over an endtimes view where Christ's Body led by the Holy Spirit can't advance the kingdom of God and is doomed to failure before antichrist is pessimism not worthy of Christianity.
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Then who are the five virgins?
these are both simple, and answered clearly in the link....(no agenda. plain truth in/of/from Scripture)
http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/Matthew_25.htm
These are virgins. These are not defiled with women.
That does not make them the virgins of the parable.
Are all of the tribes of Israel virgins?
Do all the tribes of Israel follow the Lamb where ever He goes?
JLB