Christ overcame the enemy, not men. Men can be saved if they follow Him as Yhwh's Word and Spirit say clearly. Most men remain dead in sin and trespasses because they love priests, or religions, or gold, or silver, or mother , or father, or jobs, or anything else instead of Yhwh.
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The warning of the second-coming
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Christ overcame the enemy, not men. Men can be saved if they follow Him as Yhwh's Word and Spirit say clearly. Most men remain dead in sin and trespasses because they love priests, or religions, or gold, or silver, or mother , or father, or jobs, or anything else instead of Yhwh.
I still do not know where that doctrine ever started that all the church is the bride; there are also servants, and guests at the wedding just as is common today at a wedding with brides maids, guests, etc.
In John 3:29 even John the Baptist says of himself that he will be the friend of the bridegroom at the wedding.
He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled.
Now this man John was even said by Jesus to have been the greatest born of women. Is it possible he is not a part of the bride?
Mat 11:11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist.
Ok I agree with some of what you say here, however:
25 He shall speak pompous words against the Most High, Shall persecute the saints of the Most High, And shall intend to change times and law. Then the saints shall be given into his hand For a time and times and half a time.
Daniel 7:25
And again -
14 But the woman was given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness to her place, where she is nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the presence of the serpent. 15 So the serpent spewed water out of his mouth like a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away by the flood. 16 But the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed up the flood which the dragon had spewed out of his mouth. 17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Revelation 12:14-17
JLB
I tend to agree with you, however here is what the scripture says -
It comes from Ephesians
For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh." 32 This is a great mystery, but I speak concerning Christ and the church. Ephesians 5:31-3
JLB
The 12 tribes of Jews of Israel the 144,000 that will go to heaven.
JLB - Do all the tribes of Israel follow the Lamb where ever He goes?
Eugene - It appears 144,000 does.
JLB - That does not make them the virgins of the parable.
Eugene – Possibly; who do you suppose them to be?
JLB - Are all of the tribes of Israel virgins?
Eugene – Only the 144,000 are said to be virgins in Rev 14:5, and then they are only the firstfruits of Israel.
JLB - Do all the tribes of Israel follow the Lamb where ever He goes?
Eugene - Reading of all Israel in Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved; there are also unwise virgins among Israel that were not prepared to be in that firstfruit company allowed to be at the wedding. All these things also pertain to the reason of abiding in Christ where the God of Peace, the Holy Spirit will sanctify us wholly Are there different ranks in heaven? You tell me.
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John the Baptist was not part of the bride. He would have been, but he was literally killed before the bride metaphorically appeared.
WHAT? Seldom any dare enter that dangerous path of even tending to agreeing with me.
The verse of scripture you quote of Eph 5:31 speaks of the body of Christ, and all in Him are the church, the body of Christ, but this is not saying all qualify to reign with Him as His bride.
2 Tim 2:12 If we suffer (continue, abide, endure), we shall also reign with him . .
That's true, and as such would not have been part of the church as I understand it, but he will be at the wedding.
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There are many virgins in the bible, and they don't all signify the same group.
So not all Christians are His bride?
WHAT? Seldom any dare enter that dangerous path of even tending to agreeing with me.
The verse of scripture you quote of Eph 5:31 speaks of the body of Christ, and all in Him are the church, the body of Christ, but this is not saying all qualify to reign with Him as His bride.
2 Tim 2:12 If we suffer (continue, abide, endure), we shall also reign with him . .
So not all Christians are His bride?
Then I looked, and behold, a Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His Father's name written on their foreheads. 2 And I heard a voice from heaven, like the voice of many waters, and like the voice of loud thunder. And I heard the sound of harpists playing their harps. 3 They sang as it were a new song before the throne, before the four living creatures, and the elders; and no one could learn that song except the hundred and forty-four thousand who were redeemed from the earth. 4 These are the ones who were not defiled with women, for they are virgins. These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes. These were redeemed from among men, being firstfruits to God and to the Lamb. 5 And in their mouth was found no deceit, for they are without fault before the throne of God. 6 Then I saw another angel flying in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach to those who dwell on the earth--to every nation, tribe, tongue, and people-- Revelation 14:1-6
Not all the tribes of Israel follow the Lamb, only the 144,000.
JLB
Great, and if you want a bit more to chew on, consider who the Man Child of Rev 12:5 as being that who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne; the 144,000? Where do we first see them in heaven? Rev 14:1 on the mount Sion which is the heavenly Jerusalem with Jesus.
All true Born Again Christians are the Bride of Christ.
Sinthesis
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Christ uses His sons and servants to overcome the enemy. Christians are saved, but we are also sinners who stray and need correction. We gain nothing in condemning our fellows who need more guidance than ourselves.
I think it is Jesus Christ.But what confused me about this is that "The Man Child of Christ" Jesus is Christ
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Then who are the wise virgin bridesmaids?
Consider one portion of the church in Rev 7:15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. Do these appear as a bride ruling beside her bridegroom?
There are others round about, and in the midst of the throne with Jesus according to Rev 4:4 & Rev 4:6, and they say of them in Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on (or over) the earth.
To me Jesus' bride is going to reign as a joint heir with Jesus because she endured with Him as she allowed God to sanctify her wholly unto all the will of God for her life. Rom 8:17.
They are the Church who are ready for Christ.The true believers.There are some Christians maybe many who are not ready for Christ would they go?Some believe that he will rapture the Church before the tribulation and some believe that he will come at the end of the tribulation which is the Second Coming.
We are saved by His blood not our works ... how can one be Christian and not ready what can man do to make himself ready,, Ready for what?