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Desire to be a vessel of honor unto the Lord Jesus Christ?
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https://christianforums.net/threads/a-vessel-of-honor.110278/
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Taking the time to pray? Christ is the answer in times of need
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Depending upon the Holy Spirit for all you do?
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https://christianforums.net/threads/without-the-holy-spirit-we-can-do-nothing.109419/
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How are famous preachers sometimes effected by sin?
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There are HUNDREDS of churches believing different; CLAIMING the Bible is their source!
- Thread starter theSeriousOne
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SURE I do!
Amen we agree the Spirit of Christ is the Spirit of God.
Jesus Christ is the Lord God of the Old Tesament; YHWH
JLB
Jethro Bodine
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By how it compares to the WHOLE truth of the Bible.
Virtually all false doctrine is false because it fails to consider the whole counsel of scripture, un-rightly dividing the verses it uses to defend its doctrine away from the whole counsel of scripture.
The only name given is YHWH.
Anything beyond this is man made.
Jesus is the Name of the Lord.
Jesus is the Lord God of the Old Testament; YHWH the Lord God.
Jesus is the Lord God who created the heavens and the earth.
But to the Son He says:
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
And:
“You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands.
Hebrews 1:8-10
This is a quote from Zechariah —
The burden of the word of the LORD against Israel. Thus says the LORD, who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him: Zechariah 12:1
Compare side by side, this work of creation from Hebrews 1 which was ascribed to the work of the Son with the Lord of the OT —
- You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the work of Your hands. Hebrews 1:10
- Thus says the LORD, who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, Zechariah 1:1
JLB
Mungo
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You are taking that quote from 1 John out of context. It does not say what you claim.
Firstly, John is not writing to the world in general. He is addressing a very specific group of people - Christians who he personally has catechised, taught them everything, taught them the truth. He addresses them as “my children” (vs 1) and “beloved” (vs 7). However they are in danger of being led astray by false teachers. That is the context. And we need to start at vs 20 not 27 to get the immediate context.
20.. But you have been anointed by the Holy One, and you all know.
Footnotes say some manuscripts say “you know everything” instead of you all know.
They know because John has taught them.
21 I write to you, not because you do not know the truth, but because you know it… [because John has taught them].
24 Let what you heard from the beginning abide in you [what they have already been taught]. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, then you will abide in the Son and in the Father.
Now look at vs 26&27 in this context
26 I write this to you about those who would deceive you [John is concerned that they are being taught falsely].
27 but the anointing which you received from him abides in you, and you have no need that any one should teach you [because they have already been taught by John]; as his anointing teaches you about everything [that they have been taught], and is true, and is no lie, just as it has taught you, abide in him.
This is equivalent to the first promise Jesus made to the apostles (Jn 14:26). The Holy Spirit would bring to mind all the true teaching they had already received. That presupposes that they had already received true teaching. But you have to get that true teaching first. You cannot generate it from your own resources. You cannot reach the truth by starting from scratch, but only by receiving it from those who have already been taught it and can pass it on. Then when you are presented with false teaching, the Holy Spirit will bring to mind the truth that you have already been taught.
The scriptures that Paul is referring to are the OT. Yes, we need them but the OT alone is not enough. We need Jesus' teaching.
Again look at the context. In vs 14 Paul tells Timothy: "But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have become convinced of, because you know those from whom you learned it'" Timothy has been taught the OT.
Where did Timothy get his truth of of Jesus from?
Not from the NT because it wasn't written or canonised then.
Where did John's "children" and "beloved " get the truth of of Jesus from?
Not from the NT because it wasn't written or canonised then.
Mungo
Member
That is just your opinion. DO you have any scripture to back that up?
Not really. Personal EXPERIENCE.
Scriptures for EVERTHING?
What does God's spirit do- Install Church Dogma?
What does God's spirit do- Install Church Dogma?
Dorothy Mae
Member
Mungo said something like anyone claiming that the Bible is their sole source is likely to be in error. This is too simple regarding motivations and doesn’t credit the Bible with being very useful for teaching and correction. One learns truth from the Bible. There are even people who have read the Bible and become believers. Those words have such powerful truth that this happens.
However, anyone who insists they never received any truth from any
man is very likely proud. God teaches us ALSO through others, even a donkey if necessary, because character is more important than understanding. Knowledge puffs up so to help avoid this (the major sin of Satan) he insists we accept that others know more than we do at times and we must be open to learning from others to maintain humility.
Does that help?
Dorothy Mae
Member
Mungo, that is not how we come to know the truth according to Jesus. In fact, those in cults tend to say the above…a kind of they just KNOW/FEEL they have the truth (and only them or their group which is a dead give away that its not so.)
Highway54
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Actually thousands sir, and the Bible reveals where they came from, also how to identify the people of God as well. Be glad to discuss how God identifies His people from Scripture if you would like. Bob
Tenchi
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??? And what Jesus taught them was written down in the Gospels and in the various letters of the NT, used, copied and widely-distributed among the various churches in the Roman Empire. The Early Church, by its proliferation and common use of the "books" constituting the NT, recognized and established for all following generations of Christians the essential, authoritative writings of the faith by which all believers have access to the teachings of Jesus.
Mungo
Member
Not ALL that Jesus taught was written down. Scripture itself says that.
Whilst some of what we now call NT scripture was accepted early (though there is no proof that is was spread quickly), other writings were much disputed. Some of the disputed writings were eventually accepted, some were not.
We don't have a definitive canon until the late 4th century.
Mungo
Member
Just your personal opinions then.
Tenchi
Member
No, but all that is sufficient to know in order to live godly in him is. (2 Timothy 3:16-17; Psalm 119:105)
Nonetheless, we do have it. And the slow, sometimes argument-laden process of acceptance of the books of the NT canon, in my view makes the canon all the more trustworthy.
Mungo
Member
Sure the canon is trustworthy. But it's slow acceptance show that initially the truths of the gospel were passed on by teaching not by handing out Bibles and saying it's all there; work it out for yourself.
Tenchi
Member
??? Work what out for myself, exactly?
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