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There will be NO Secret Rapture!

MithrandirOlorin said:
The First Resurrection is a category, not a chronological sequence.

Doctrine must be build on the entirety of Scripture, not your apparent assumptions off first Glances in a casual reading. Your Denying the clear statement of Matthew by insisting the Entire Resurrection isn't until the 2nd Coming.

27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, 27:53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
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Hey, your postings will need help! Remember what Matt. 10:25 'documents!' ;) (and it will not go that far yet perhaps?) But there will be NO SECRETE RAPTURE! We are already in Matt. 24:21's escalation time of the END!

And note 2 Thess. 2:8-9 & then verse 10-11- & 12.
[8] And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

[9] Even him, [[whose coming is after]] the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

[10] And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
[11] And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

 
MithrandirOlorin said:
The First Resurrection is a category, not a chronological sequence.

Doctrine must be build on the entirety of Scripture,
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There is no christian doctrine that directly opposes what Jesus said.
not your apparent assumptions off first Glances in a casual reading.
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LOL
Your Denying the clear statement of Matthew by insisting the Entire Resurrection isn't until the 2nd Coming.
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Nonsense
27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, 27:53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
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there are also those raised by Jesus and the disciples previously, so what?

I'll give ya a hint, Jesus knew all about that.
 
MithrandirOlorin said:
I said I'm not Pre-Trib, I know it won't happen until after the Abomination of Desolation.

Your misusing and misunderstanding what Yeshua said.
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28Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.



9And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
41The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I am the bread which came down from heaven.
42And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven?
43Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves.
44No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.


Show me.
 
And they *sang a new song, saying, "Worthy are You to take the book and to break its seals; for You were slain, and purchased for God with Your blood men from every tribe and tongue and people and nation. "You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God; and they will reign upon the earth." Revelation 5:9-10 (NASB)

'Your kingdom come. Your will be done, On earth as it is in heaven. Matthew 6:10 (NASB)

I'm still trying to figure out where Christ is reigning on earth during this so-called "millennium."
 
Stormcrow said:
And they *sang a new song, saying, "Worthy are You to take the book and to break its seals; for You were slain, and purchased for God with Your blood men from every tribe and tongue and people and nation. "You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God; and they will reign upon the earth." Revelation 5:9-10 (NASB)

'Your kingdom come. Your will be done, On earth as it is in heaven. Matthew 6:10 (NASB)

I'm still trying to figure out where Christ is reigning on earth during this so-called "millennium."
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Read your own [post!]
 
Elijah674 said:
Read your own [post!]
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Jesus is in heaven. His church is on earth. We are to pray that His will be done "on earth as it is in heaven."

Show me any passage of scripture where Jesus leaves heaven to impose His will on earth, since He has made us to be His kingdom here.

:chin:chin:chin
 
I keep forgetting why some have trouble with the Resurrections mentioned in Matthew after Yeshua's Resurrection. It's because Casual Christian don't understand why Yeshua had to descend inot Hell, it was to get those in Abraham's Bosom, which is now vacant on this side of The Cross
 
Stormcrow said:
Jesus is in heaven. His church is on earth. We are to pray that His will be done "on earth as it is in heaven."

Show me any passage of scripture where Jesus leaves heaven to impose His will on earth, since He has made us to be His kingdom here.

:chin:chin:chin
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????? THERE IS NO SECRETE RAPTURE! But, Christ 'SENT THE HOLY SPIRIT BACK TO UPLIFT HIMSELF'. Omnipresent as before Adam sinned. When Christ COMES to earth again, [[ALL WILL KNOW IT!]] Matt. 24:21 on! (ibid 27)

2 Thess. 2
[5] Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
[6] And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
[7] For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
[8] And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
[9] Even him, [[[whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,]]]
[10] And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
[11] And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion,:sad that they should [[believe a lie]]:

--Elijah
 
Stormcrow said:
Jesus is in heaven. His church is on earth. We are to pray that His will be done "on earth as it is in heaven."

Show me any passage of scripture where Jesus leaves heaven to impose His will on earth, since He has made us to be His kingdom here.

:chin:chin:chin
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Revelation 19. When we reign we Reign with Christ, right now Satan is still the god of This World.
 
When we reign we Reign with Christ
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And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Matthew 28:18 (NASB)

Is there any authority He has yet to receive???

right now Satan is still the god of This World.
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Satan was defeated at Christ's resurrection. Why do dispys and futurists want to keep putting him in charge???
 
Stormcrow said:
And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Matthew 28:18 (NASB)

Is there any authority He has yet to receive???



Satan was defeated at Christ's resurrection. Why do dispys and futurists want to keep putting him in charge???
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That is a loaded question.
 
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