This guy sees it as I do on thec 2300 days!

[felix]

Elijah,

(Dan 9:25) "Know therefore and understand, [That] from the going forth of the command To restore and build Jerusalem Until Messiah the Prince, [There shall be] seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; The street shall be built again, and the wall, Even in troublesome times.

The year is not 457 BC but 445 BC.

Ezra 7 (7th year of king) is about building the temple/house of God not Jerusalem. Command to build Jerusalem is given in Neh 2 (20th year of the king)

• And they said to me, "The survivors who are left from the captivity in the province [are] there in great distress and reproach. The wall of Jerusalem [is] also broken down, and its gates [are burned] with fire." (Neh 1:3)
• And it came to pass in the month of Nisan, in the twentieth year of King Artaxerxes, [when] wine [was] before him, that I took the wine and gave it to the king. Now I had never been sad in his presence before (Neh 2:1).
• Then I said to them, "You see the distress that we [are] in, how Jerusalem [lies] waste, and its gates are burned with fire. Come and let us build the wall of Jerusalem, that we may no longer be a reproach." And I told them of the hand of my God which had been good upon me, and also of the king's words that he had spoken to me. So they said, "Let us rise up and build." Then they set their hands to [this] good [work.] (Neh 2:17-18)

King Artaxerxes reigned from 465 BC to 424 BC (ref: Wiki). The 20th year of King Artaxerxes is 445 BC not 457 BC.

Command went forth to build Jerusalem: Beginning of 490 year (or 70 week) prophecy in Dan 9:24-27.

7+62 weeks = 69 weeks = 483 years.

483 prophetic/biblical years = 483 * 360 = 173880 days = 476.0575 Julian years = 476.0575 is arrived by diving 173880 days by 365.25.

445 BC + 476.0575 years = 31.0575 AD = 31 AD, (Nisan) 1st Month, 21 days.

(Exod 12:18) 'In the first [month,] on the fourteenth day of the month at evening, you shall eat unleavened bread, until the twenty-first day of the month at evening.

1st month (Nisan) and 21st day is the day when the Passover lamb will be killed. Hence, on 31 AD, (Nisan) 1st Month, 21st day, it was our Lord Jesus Christ fulfilling the very prophecy of Daniel on the cross.

The prophecy is split into 3 parts: 7 weeks + 62 weeks + 1 week.

After 62 weeks, which is, after 483 years or 7+62 weeks is given in the first part of Dan 9:26.
(Dan 9:26a) "And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself;

The middle part of the verse happened in 70 AD.
(Dan 9:26b) And the people of the prince who is to come Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end of it [shall be] with a flood, And till the end of the war desolations are determined.

In Dan 9:26, the two parts clearly show that the Messiah's death and the destruction of the city and the sanctuary - although mentioned together, it shows there is a vast gap between (after the 62 week) and the last week.

The last one week:
(Dan 9:27) Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate."


This event has not yet happened. There is no one who confirmed any covenant with many for 1 week or 7 years in history. While 70 AD did bring sacrifice and offering to an end, it did not happen the way the prophecy puts it. Neither was any abominations that makes desolate did happen in 70 AD. Hence, this is a future event which is yet to happen.

 

[Elijah674]

Elijah,

(Dan 9:25) "Know therefore and understand, [That] from the going forth of the command To restore and build Jerusalem Until Messiah the Prince, [There shall be] seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; The street shall be built again, and the wall, Even in troublesome times.

The year is not 457 BC but 445 BC.

Ezra 7 (7th year of king) is about building the temple/house of God not Jerusalem. Command to build Jerusalem is given in Neh 2 (20th year of the king)

• And they said to me, "The survivors who are left from the captivity in the province [are] there in great distress and reproach. The wall of Jerusalem [is] also broken down, and its gates [are burned] with fire." (Neh 1:3)
• And it came to pass in the month of Nisan, in the twentieth year of King Artaxerxes, [when] wine [was] before him, that I took the wine and gave it to the king. Now I had never been sad in his presence before (Neh 2:1).
• Then I said to them, "You see the distress that we [are] in, how Jerusalem [lies] waste, and its gates are burned with fire. Come and let us build the wall of Jerusalem, that we may no longer be a reproach." And I told them of the hand of my God which had been good upon me, and also of the king's words that he had spoken to me. So they said, "Let us rise up and build." Then they set their hands to [this] good [work.] (Neh 2:17-18)

King Artaxerxes reigned from 465 BC to 424 BC (ref: Wiki). The 20th year of King Artaxerxes is 445 BC not 457 BC.

Command went forth to build Jerusalem: Beginning of 490 year (or 70 week) prophecy in Dan 9:24-27.

7+62 weeks = 69 weeks = 483 years.

483 prophetic/biblical years = 483 * 360 = 173880 days = 476.0575 Julian years = 476.0575 is arrived by diving 173880 days by 365.25.

445 BC + 476.0575 years = 31.0575 AD = 31 AD, (Nisan) 1st Month, 21 days.

(Exod 12:18) 'In the first [month,] on the fourteenth day of the month at evening, you shall eat unleavened bread, until the twenty-first day of the month at evening.

1st month (Nisan) and 21st day is the day when the Passover lamb will be killed. Hence, on 31 AD, (Nisan) 1st Month, 21st day, it was our Lord Jesus Christ fulfilling the very prophecy of Daniel on the cross.

The prophecy is split into 3 parts: 7 weeks + 62 weeks + 1 week.

After 62 weeks, which is, after 483 years or 7+62 weeks is given in the first part of Dan 9:26.
(Dan 9:26a) "And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself;

The middle part of the verse happened in 70 AD.
(Dan 9:26b) And the people of the prince who is to come Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end of it [shall be] with a flood, And till the end of the war desolations are determined.

In Dan 9:26, the two parts clearly show that the Messiah's death and the destruction of the city and the sanctuary - although mentioned together, it shows there is a vast gap between (after the 62 week) and the last week.

The last one week:
(Dan 9:27) Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate."


This event has not yet happened. There is no one who confirmed any covenant with many for 1 week or 7 years in history. While 70 AD did bring sacrifice and offering to an end, it did not happen the way the prophecy puts it. Neither was any abominations that makes desolate did happen in 70 AD. Hence, this is a future event which is yet to happen.

Hey, I cant agree with your dates, but will come back & dis/agree with your last paragraph! (but later, I am tired.. got up early to mow some of our acreage)

Yet, let me just ask you to think about what you think is the one 'weeks' center piece going to be in culmination in Eternity? Highlite! Bottom/line, what CONFIRMATION took place? (remember that Christ needed this from the Father John 20:17)

And we find a verse of Inspiration Mark 15
[37] And Jesus cried with a loud voice, and gave up the ghost.
[38] And the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom.

And we find this just one place of several. And for this, one needs to understand what seperated the Holy Place from the Day of Atonement Most Holy Place in Heaven's Sanctuary?

--Elijah

 

[felix]

Hey, I cant agree with your dates, but will come back & dis/agree with your last paragraph! (but later, I am tired.. got up early to mow some of our acreage)

The dates are so important that Christ expected everyone to know His last entry to Jerusalem, a week before His resurrection.

(Luke 19:43-44) "For days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment around you, surround you and close you in on every side, and level you, and your children within you, to the ground; and they will not leave in you one stone upon another, because you did not know the time of your visitation."

Yet, let me just ask you to think about what you think is the one 'weeks' center piece going to be in culmination in Eternity? Highlite! Bottom/line, what CONFIRMATION took place? (remember that Christ needed this from the Father John 20:17)

And we find a verse of Inspiration Mark 15
[37] And Jesus cried with a loud voice, and gave up the ghost.
[38] And the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom.

And we find this just one place of several. And for this, one needs to understand what seperated the Holy Place from the Day of Atonement Most Holy Place in Heaven's Sanctuary?

--Elijah

The verse suggests a covenant is confirmed, which means it must be created before or may be already existing. There is no historical account that matches the description of the prophecy to it's details which gives only one explanation, it is a future event.

 

[Elijah674]

The dates are so important that Christ expected everyone to know His last entry to Jerusalem, a week before His resurrection.

(Luke 19:43-44) "For days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment around you, surround you and close you in on every side, and level you, and your children within you, to the ground; and they will not leave in you one stone upon another, because you did not know the time of your visitation."



The verse suggests a covenant is confirmed, which means it must be created before or may be already existing. There is no historical account that matches the description of the prophecy to it's details which gives only one explanation, it is a future event.

You say:
(Luke 19:43-44) "For days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment around you, surround you and close you in on every side, and level you, and your children within you, to the ground; and they will not leave in you one stone upon another, because you did not know the time of your visitation."

(there is no doubt Dan has 70AD mingled into about 39 prophetic yrs. here)

Dan does not say that this is the 'time' of the midst of the week. Note that both Christ + Paul 'Documented' that it shall be cut short in Rightousness! What will that mean? The one week (7 times or years from Christ annointing to the FULL Sin of old Israel as a nation) or the [MIDNIGHT CRY] to only Israel (Matt. 10:5-6 + ibid 15) [IS NOT THE LOUD CRY] of 70AD. This was 39 years future.

This is what I will get back to Dan. on, this needs to not have one put words into his mouth!;) He does not say exactly what God would do in 'shortening the week'!
Note again Dan. 9:24

[23] At the beginning of thy supplications the commandment came forth, and I am come to shew thee; for thou art greatly beloved: therefore understand the matter, and consider [the vision.]
[24] Seventy weeks [are determined upon thy people] and upon thy holy city, [to finish the transgression,] and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Even using your dates one would find seventy weeks where? Seven days to one week x 70 weeks are 490 prophetic days, making 490 years.

And who was 'CUT OFF' (see Matt. 23:38) And even 'cut off' from the 2300 year vision.. 'consider the vision'. And the Jewish fatal sin was to reach it fullness! (Matt. 25:10 - again see Matt. 10:5-6 & then verse 15)

Lets stay on the one week some to find Eccl. 3:15's understanding, unless God goofed? ;) (just kidding)

--Elijah

 

[Elijah674]

Here is a little more Felix.
Save for conversational study;)

Dan. 8
[13] Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?
[14] And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed. (the only sin in heaven now is from record Books. Eccl. 12:13-14 + Rev. 20:12 are DEAD!-14

OK: Dan gives us this now... (Dan. 8)
ibid 26-27
[26] And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days.
[27] And I Daniel fainted, and was sick certain days; afterward I rose up, and did the king's business; and I was astonished at the vision, but none understood it.

OK: Now what? We see Dan. 9:18 on come to view. Notice this verse carefully & see if you catch this as continuing with the 2300 day vision that Daniel saw at the beginning?

Daniel 9
[18] O my God, incline thine ear, and hear; open thine eyes, and behold our desolations, and the city which is called by thy name: for we do not present our supplications before thee for our righteousnesses, but for thy great mercies.
[19] O Lord, hear; O Lord, forgive; O Lord, hearken and do; defer not, for thine own sake, O my God: for thy city and thy people are called by thy name.
[20] And whiles I was speaking, and praying, and confessing my sin and the sin of my people Israel, and presenting my supplication before the LORD my God for the holy mountain of my God;
[21] Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation.
[22] And he informed me, and talked with me, and said, O Daniel, I am now come forth to give thee skill and understanding. (remember that Daniel did not understand the 2300 day VISION that we left off with)
[23] At the beginning of thy supplications the commandment came forth, and I am come to shew thee; for thou art greatly beloved: therefore understand the matter, and consider the vision.
[24] Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. ..’ (and we know the rest here)

 

[Elijah674]

'i' find it hard to find anyway to see Daniel not knowing that the highlite of the Lamb of God Sacrifice would not come in the 'midst of a seven year week' as he prophesied??? And I find the 27AD-34AD with a center!

Matt. 25

[1] Then shall the kingdom of heaven be [[likened unto]] ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom. (Eccl. 3:15)
[2] And five of them were wise, and five were foolish. (50%)
[3] They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them: (The True Virgin Doctrines, yet ‘they’ lacked extra ‘oil’ of MATURE Character having been built. Phil. 4:13 & 2 Cor. 12:9 )
[4] But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.

[5] While the bridegroom tarried, [[they all ]]slumbered and slept. (did you get that? I doubt that, OK then, WHO WOKE THESE ONES UP?!)

[6] And at midnight there [[was a cry made,]] Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye [[out to meet him.]] (Out! Why was He not IN His ex/fold?)
[7] Then [[all ]] those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
[8] And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
[9] But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
[10] And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut. (do any remember the pre/flood Ark Door?)
OK: Parables? Matt. 13 finds this...

[34] All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:
[35] That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.
[36] Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

Another in Mark 4

[33] And with many such parables spake he the word unto them, as they were able to hear it.
[34] But without a parable spake he not unto them: and when they were alone, he expounded [[all things to his disciples.]]

We found Matt. 25’s Virgin fold ALL ASLEEP (even compared to heavens rebellion in parable format, see the 1/3 cast/out in Rev. 12 even, the difference is only a very small Remnant re/claimed!)

But here is the point. Where do you find out who awakened this church of old Israel up? It is THERE! And you must understand & ‘find’ it! And another question, Who LEFT WHOM & WHO STAYED PUT?? (and this was & is not 70AD’s church slaughter 39 yrs. in the future!)

Did you get that question?? Who is found in this chapter of Matt. 10 coming up, that are the ones who make up the extended Virgin Fold of Israel? (and which needed Caesar to execute the Lamb of God? and.. 'on time!')

Matt. 10

[5] These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
[6] But [[[ go rather to the lost sheep of the house]]] of Israel. (Now get this! Go to the LOST SHEEP OF THE HOUSE! Matt. 25:10 has the DOOR OF THEIR HOUSE CLOSED!)
[7] And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. (Notice Christ’s Words here, THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN [IS AT HAND!] And it was! It was their FINAL APPEAL!!)
........
[14] And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.

[15] Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.

And Daniel 9:27 could be NO MORE CLEAR!

[27] And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the [[[midst of the week]]] he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Matt. 23:38 “BEHOLD YOUR HOUSE IS LEFT UNTO YOU DESOLATEâ€

--Elijah

 

[Elijah674]

--Elijah here:

457 here sounds official to me! And as stated these dates are printed in the chapter heading from my K.J. World Publishing Company Bible.

Ezra 7 (457)
[11] Now this is the copy of the letter that the king Artaxerxes gave unto Ezra the priest, the scribe, even a scribe of the words of the commandments of the LORD, and of his statutes to Israel.
[12] Artaxerxes, king of kings, unto Ezra the priest, a scribe of the law of the God of heaven, perfect peace, and at such a time.
[13] I make a decree, that all they of the people of Israel, and of his priests and Levites, in my realm, which are minded of their own freewill to go up to Jerusalem, go with thee.
[14] Forasmuch as thou art sent of the king, and of his seven counsellers, to inquire concerning Judah and Jerusalem, according to the law of thy God which is in thine hand;
[15] And to carry the silver and gold, which the king and his counsellers have freely offered unto the God of Israel, whose habitation is in Jerusalem,
[16] And all the silver and gold that thou canst find in all the province of Babylon, with the freewill offering of the people, and of the priests, offering willingly for the house of their God which is in Jerusalem:
[17] That thou mayest buy speedily with this money bullocks, rams, lambs, with their meat offerings and their drink offerings, and offer them upon the altar of the house of your God which is in Jerusalem.
[18] And whatsoever shall seem good to thee, and to thy brethren, to do with the rest of the silver and the gold, that do after the will of your God.
[19] The vessels also that are given thee for the service of the house of thy God, those deliver thou before the God of Jerusalem.
[20] And whatsoever more shall be needful for the house of thy God, which thou shalt have occasion to bestow, bestow it out of the king's treasure house.
[21] And I, even I Artaxerxes the king, do make a decree to all the treasurers which are beyond the river, that whatsoever Ezra the priest, the scribe of the law of the God of heaven, shall require of you, it be done speedily,
[22] Unto an hundred talents of silver, and to an hundred measures of wheat, and to an hundred baths of wine, and to an hundred baths of oil, and salt without prescribing how much.
[23] Whatsoever is commanded by the God of heaven, let it be diligently done for the house of the God of heaven: for why should there be wrath against the realm of the king and his sons?
[24] Also we certify you, that touching any of the priests and Levites, singers, porters, Nethinims, or ministers of this house of God, it shall not be lawful to impose toll, tribute, or custom, upon them.
[25] And thou, Ezra, after the wisdom of thy God, that is in thine hand, set magistrates and judges, which may judge all the people that are beyond the river, all such as know the laws of thy God; and teach ye them that know them not.
[26] And whosoever will not do the law of thy God, and the law of the king, let judgment be executed speedily upon him, whether it be unto death, or to banishment, or to confiscation of goods, or to imprisonment.

I thought that this was needed as well!

Ezra 6:14 (BC 520)
[14] And the elders of the Jews builded, and they prospered through the prophesying of Haggai the prophet and Zechariah the son of Iddo. And they builded, and finished it, according to the commandment of the God of Israel, and according to the commandment of Cyrus, and Darius, and Artaxerxes king of Persia.
[15] And this house was finished on the third day of the month Adar, which was in the sixth year of the reign of Darius the king.

(note that it took the commandment of three kings before God counted it as documented or that counted as it is in scripture!)

The year 457 B.C. is the beginning date of the 490 years+ the 483 yrs. on into the 2300 yrs.!

Even note Gal. 4:4.. In the [FULLNESS OF TIME] was come, God sent forth His Son.' Which we see in Matt. 3:17 for His annointing for His earthly ministry starting point.

 

[felix]

457 here sounds official to me! And as stated these dates are printed in the chapter heading from my K.J. World Publishing Company Bible.

Ezra 7 has nothing to do with rebuilding Jerusalem but refers to the temple for which Scripture itself is the proof. Neh 2 is what it refers to rebuilding Jerusalem.

(Ezra 7:27) Blessed [be] the LORD God of our fathers, who has put [such a thing] as this in the king's heart, to beautify the house of the LORD which [is] in Jerusalem,

(Ezra 7:27) Blessed [be] the Lord God of our fathers, who has put it thus into the heart of the king, to glorify the house of the Lord which is in Jerusalem; (LXXE)

Ezra 7 is nothing about rebuilding Jerusalem but the house of the Lord which is in Jerusalem, i.e, the Temple.

Hence, 457 is wrong.

 

[Elijah674]

Ezra 7 has nothing to do with rebuilding Jerusalem but refers to the temple for which Scripture itself is the proof. Neh 2 is what it refers to rebuilding Jerusalem.

(Ezra 7:27) Blessed [be] the LORD God of our fathers, who has put [such a thing] as this in the king's heart, to beautify the house of the LORD which [is] in Jerusalem,

(Ezra 7:27) Blessed [be] the Lord God of our fathers, who has put it thus into the heart of the king, to glorify the house of the Lord which is in Jerusalem; (LXXE)

Ezra 7 is nothing about rebuilding Jerusalem but the house of the Lord which is in Jerusalem, i.e, the Temple.

Hence, 457 is wrong.

OK: You are 'teaching' true facts! See Eccl. 3:14 + Rev. 22:18-19
So let's find your date onward to the ending of the starting point of the 2300 days of the true Cleansing Prophecy.

And if you ever would post saying that you 'think' that this is the way that it is, rather than that I,I,I,I,I am right & you are.. 'wrong' then maybe the study would be more un/Titus 3:9-11'ised! If not, 'i' try to shun VAIN I KNOW IT ALL STUFF.

--Elijah

 

[felix]

OK: You are 'teaching' true facts!

Now, you can go back to post #21.

 

[Elijah674]

Now, you can go back to post #21.

I did. But this has more 'food' in it for me. At least they still get one into the Judgement's soon ending! And you haven't even mentioned the yr. of the ending of the 2300 day/yrs.

At Issue Index End Time Index The Year-Day Principle
by Jerry Moon

The Year-Day Principle and the 2300 Days


by Jerry Moon, Chair of Church History Department and Editor ofAndrews University Seminary Studies, Seventh-day Adventist Theological Seminary, Andrews University, Berrien Springs, Michigan.

In the May-June 2002 issue of Adventist Today, Toby Joreteg addressed the issue of the year-day principle in biblical prophecy. The article seemed to imply (1) that the year-day principle was unknown until the ninth century c.e. It further argued (2) that "there are only two Bible texts that clearly use" this principle, (3) that the year-day principle applies only in contexts of "sin/sinners/judgment," (4) that Dan 8:14 has nothing to do with judgment, and therefore (5) the 2300 days of Dan 8:14 are to be interpreted simply as ordinary days, not as 2300 years. I will present evidence to the contrary on each of these points.​

Working Definition and History of Interpretation
The year-day principle is one of the distinguishing features of historicist prophetic interpretation as contrasted with preterism and futurism. Historicists hold that in certain time prophecies, a "prophetic day" represents an entire year of "actual calendrical time"(William H. Shea, "Year-Day Principle, Part I," in Selected Studies in Prophetic Interpretation [Review and Herald, 1982], 56).
As early as the third century b.c.e., the 70 weeks of Daniel 9 were understood to be 70 "weeks of years," i.e. 70 x 7 = 490 years. The LXX, in translating the Hebrew for "weeks" in Dan 7:25-27, inserted the additional phrase "of years," providing the first published example of what would later be called the "year-day principle" (L. E. Froom, Prophetic Faith of Our Fathers, 4 vols. [Review and Herald, 1950], 1:170, 174-176).
Not until enough centuries had passed to make such long ages of prophecy comprehensible, were the longer prophecies of 1290 days, 1335 days, and 2300 days understood as years. Thus Rabbi Nahawendi in the early ninth century c.e. was the first to recognize the year-day principle as operative in the 1290 and 2300 days (Froom, 1:713). But the year-day principle had been recognized in Daniel 9 at least as early as the 3rd century b.c.e., and in such an authoritative Jewish writing as the Greek translation of the Hebrew Scriptures.
Linguistic Background
The linguistic background of the year-day principle is found in many OT texts where the word "days" actually stood for "year" or "years." Note, e.g., the formula that recurs ten times in Gen 5: "All the days of x were so many years, and he died." Old Testament poetry also used "days" and "years" in equivalent parallelism, referring to the same period of time. "For all our days pass away under thy wrath, our years come to an end like a sigh. The days of our years are threescore and ten"(Ps 90:9-10). After many such examples, Shea observes that this closely parallel use of "days" and "years" prepared the "ancient Semite, whose mind was steeped in this parallelistic type of thought," to intuitively associate the "days" of chronological prophecies with calendar years, especially in symbolic passages where literal days do not make logical sense (Shea, 67-69).
Biblical Usage of the Year-Day Principle
The earliest biblical text that directly reflects the year-day principle is Lev 25:1-7. Here the command to "keep a Sabbath," previously associated with the seventh day of the literal week, is applied to a seventh year. Verses 3-4 are parallel in structure to the fourth commandment, Ex 20:8-11, except that the word "year(s)" is substituted for the word days(s). The Sabbath here commanded is not the weekly seventh-day Sabbath, but a seventh-year Sabbath (Shea, 69-70).

Exod 20:8-10
Lev 25:2-4
v. 8 "Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.
v. 2 "the land shall keep a Sabbath [year] to the Lord.
v. 9 "Six days you shall labor and do all your work.
v. 3 "Six years you shall sow, . . . prune . . ., and gather . . .;
v. 10 "But the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work."
v. 4 "but in the seventh year there shall be a Sabbath of solemn rest for the land; a Sabbath [year] to the Lord; you shall not sow or prune."​

Lev 25:8 further extends the year-day symbolism. "You shall count seven Sabbaths of years, seven years, seven times, and to you the days of the seven Sabbaths of years shall be forty-nine years." Clearly the weekly cycle of sevens of days, has become a symbol for a cycle of sevens of years. The weekly seventh-day Sabbath is the origin of the term here applied to a seventh-year Sabbath, and the term weeks means not weeks of days, but weeks of years.
This furnishes a textual background for the prophecy of Dan 9. In Lev 25:8, seven weeks of years, or 7 x 7 years, reaches to one jubilee. In Dan 9:24, seventy weeks of years, (70 x 7 years, or 10 jubilees) reaches to the Messiah, the personification of the jubilee.
Num 14:34 and Ezek 4:6 provide further confirmation that in certain contexts the prophetic message was constructed on the basis of a scale or symbolic correspondence between prophetic days and calendar years.
Year-day Principle Not Limited to Judgment Passages
While the day-year correspondence does often occur in contexts of judgment, it also occurs in non-judgmental contexts. The sabbatical year and jubilee ordinances of Lev 25:1-8 were not focused primarily on judgment in the punitive sense but on rest, deliverance, and restoration.
Is the idea of judgment absent from Dan 8:14?
Lev 25 shows that year-day texts need not be directly concerned with judgment. Therefore, if the idea of judgment were absent from Dan 8:14, that would not prove the year-day principle to be irrelevant to Dan 8:14 and the 2300 days. To the contrary, however, both the main verb and the context support the conclusion that Dan 8:14 is concerned with judgment. The Hebrew verb nisdaq has a range of meanings including to "vindicate," "restore," "justify," "put right," "declare right," "make righteous," etc. Its root sadaq and cognates are commonly used in judicial or forensic settings in Scripture. Furthermore, the "vision" mentioned in Dan 8:13 concerns the little horn's criminal activities against the true sanctuary of the "prince of the host,"and the vindication or restoration of that sanctuary when the horn will be "broken without human hand" (v. 25). Thus the 2300 days of Dan 8:14 are directly concerned with divine judgment on the little horn.
Additional evidence comes from the larger context. Historicists recognize that the visions of Dan 2, 7, and 8-9 are essentially parallel, with each recapitulation marking progression from simple to more complex. Thus Daniel 7 features the same four kingdoms as Daniel 2, with the further elaboration of ten horns and a little horn that would grow out of the fourth. When Daniel asked the meaning of the vision, the angel summarized that after the little horn's career of persecution (7:25), "the court shall be seated, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and destroy it forever" (7:26). Thus in Daniel 7, the career of the little horn (7:25) climaxes in judgment (7:26), just before the "kingdoms under the whole heaven" are "given to the people of the saints of the most high" (7:27).
The analogy between Daniel 7 and 8 shows that the "cleansing/vindication/restoration" of the sanctuary in Dan 8:14 stands chronologically parallel to the "court shall be seated" in Dan 7:26. Both mark the turning point that leads to the destruction of the pretender little horn and the rewarding of the persecuted "saints of the Most High." Thus to deny that Dan 8:14 concerns judgment is to overlook both the immediate context (8:13-14, 25), and the parallel in Dan 7:25-27.
A further evidence that the days of Dan 8:14 represent years comes from the question of Dan 8:13 niv, "How long will it take for the vision to be fulfilled?" The answer given in 8:14 is 2300 days. If these are literal days, the period is some six years, three months, 20 days. But the "vision" began in the Persian period and spanned the Greek and Roman periods, the time of the little horn's supremacy, and on to "the time of the end" (Dan 8:17, 20-23). The span of the vision specified in Dan 8:13 demands that the 2300 days be understood as representing years.
Conclusion

The year-day principle rests not on two texts only, but on a broad Scriptural foundation. (Shea gives 23 lines of biblical evidence.) The translators of the LXX applied the year-day principle to the 70 weeks of Daniel 9 at least as early as the third century b.c.e. The year-day principle is used not only in "judgment" passages, but in contexts of rest and restoration, such as the sabbatical and jubilee years. Even if the year-day principle were restricted only to judgment passages, the immediate context of Dan 8:14 is two parallel chapters (Daniel 7-8) that both concern overt eschatological judgment. Hence there appears to be no valid reason to exclude the year-day principle from Dan 8:14.

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[felix]

I did. But this has more 'food' in it for me. At least they still get one into the Judgement's soon ending! And you haven't even mentioned the yr. of the ending of the 2300 day/yrs.

You are taking an already fulfilled prophesy to fit end times.

Time of the Vision:
(Dan 8:1) In the third year of the reign of King Belshazzar (The king before Medes and Persians) a vision appeared [to] me -- to me, Daniel -- after the one that appeared to me the first time.

The Vision from Scripture: Dan 8:2-13

2300 is the 'time period' the Sanctuary was 'unclean':
(Dan 8:13-16) Then I heard a holy one speaking; and [another] holy one said to that certain [one] who was speaking, "How long [will] the vision [be, concerning] the daily [sacrifices] and the transgression of desolation, the giving of both the sanctuary and the host to be trampled under foot?" And he said to me, "For two thousand three hundred days; then the sanctuary shall be cleansed." (2300 is the time period the sanctuary is unclean) Then it happened, when I, Daniel, had seen the vision and was seeking the meaning, that suddenly there stood before me one having the appearance of a man. And I heard a man's voice between [the banks of] the Ulai, who called, and said, "Gabriel, make this [man] understand the vision."

(Antiochus pillaged the Temple, attacked Jerusalem and "led captive the women and children".[5] From this point onwards, Antiochus pursued a zealous Hellenizing policy. He made possession of the Torah a capital offense and burned the copies he could find.[6] He banned many traditional Jewish religious practices: Jewish sacrifice was forbidden, sabbaths and feasts were banned. Circumcision was outlawed, and mothers who circumcised their babies were killed along with their families.[7] Altars to Greek gods were set up and animals prohibited to Jews were sacrificed on them. The idol of Olympian Zeus was placed on the altar of the Temple. The motives of Antiochus are unclear. He may have been incensed at the overthrow of his appointee, Menelaus,[3] or he may have been responding to an orthodox Jewish revolt that drew on the Temple and the Torah for its strength[1] and encouraged by a group of radical Hellenizers among the Jews.[8] - Wikipedia - Maccabean_Revolt)

(The only time period ever that the temple was unclean is during Maccabean Revolt. This is because, before, during the period of 2300 days, and after, the temple must be standing according to the prophesy.)

(Dan 8:17-19) So he came near where I stood, and when he came I was afraid and fell on my face; but he said to me, "Understand, son of man, that the vision [refers] to the time of the end." Now, as he was speaking with me, I was in a deep sleep with my face to the ground; but he touched me, and stood me upright. And he said, "Look, I am making known to you what shall happen in the latter time of the indignation; for at the appointed time the end [shall be.]

(Septuagint translated 3 Centuries before Christ and 2 Centuries before Maccabean Revolt translated this way:

Dan 8:17-19 - And he came and stood near where I stood: and when he came, I was struck with awe, and fell upon my face: but he said to me, Understand, son of man: for yet the vision is for an appointed time. And while he spoke with me, I fell upon my face to the earth: and he touched me, and set me on my feet. And he said, Behold, I make thee know the things that shall come to pass at the end of the wrath: for the vision [is] yet for an appointed time.

The time of the end must not be mistaken to "end times". As v19 clarifies, it is the "latter time of the indignation" or the "end of wrath" for Hellenization and defiling the Temple.)

The Explanation of the Vision:
(Dan 8:20-25) "The ram which you saw, having the two horns -- [they are] the kings of Media and Persia (after Belshazzar). And the male goat [is] the kingdom of Greece. The large horn that [is] between its eyes [is] the first king (Alexander the Great). As for the broken [horn] and the four that stood up in its place, four kingdoms (the Ptolemaic Kingdom of Egypt, the Seleucid Empire in the east, the Kingdom of Pergamon in Asia Minor, and Macedon) shall arise out of that nation, but not with its power (as the Alexander's 4 Generals split the Empire among themselves after his Death). And in the latter time of their kingdom (refering to a time before the collapse of these 4 kingdoms, i.e. (from 148 BC to 30 BC), Seleucid Empire collapsed at 63 BC, Ptolemaic at 30 BC, Macedonia - 148 BC, Pergamon -133 BC), When the transgressors have reached their fullness, A king shall arise (Antiochus IV Epiphanes), Having fierce features, Who understands sinister schemes. His power shall be mighty, but not by his own power; He shall destroy fearfully, And shall prosper and thrive; He shall destroy the mighty, and [also] the holy people. Through his cunning He shall cause deceit to prosper under his rule; And he shall exalt [himself] in his heart. He shall destroy many in [their] prosperity. He shall even rise against the Prince of princes (His coins have the inscription: Basileus Antiochus, God Manifest, Bearer of Victory); But he shall be broken without [human] means (suddenly died of disease).

Sealed vision of Mornings and Evenings:
(Dan 8:26-27) "And the vision of the evenings and mornings Which was told is true; Therefore seal up the vision, For [it refers] to many days [in the future."] And I, Daniel, fainted and was sick for days; afterward I arose and went about the king's business. I was astonished by the vision, but no one understood it.

It is much clear that the vision of Daniel 8 is complete with precise accuracy from history. I believe we must not use this as a future prophecy. The 2300 days specified refers to the literal 2300 mornings and evenings when the daily sacrifice was not done.

 

[Sinthesis]

This guy sees it as I do on the "2300 days"!

http://www.truthorfables.com/2300_Days_by_Vowless.htm

YMMV:yes

 

[Elijah674]

This guy sees it as I do on the "2300 days"!

http://www.truthorfables.com/2300_Days_by_Vowless.htm

YMMV:yes

Hi young'in! Your posting just wasted about ten min. of my borrowed time!

And I am not SDA, nor would 'i' ever be one!!! But because of other reasons than was your remark.

But as with the Virgin Truth as seen prophesied of old Israel in Isa. 5, (I will post it up below) it in not that their Virgin Doctrines are wrong, because they are not. But that it is as seen in Matt. 23:1-2. They are Christ/less. (compare Rev. 3:9 for Spewed out Laodicea)

Isa. 5
[1] Now will I sing to my wellbeloved a song of my beloved touching his vineyard. My wellbeloved hath a vineyard in a very fruitful hill:
[2] And he fenced it, and gathered out the stones thereof, and planted it with the choicest vine, and built a tower in the midst of it, and also made a winepress therein: and he looked that it should bring forth grapes, and it brought forth wild grapes. (perhaps that is you or me, huh? One of us are saying that these doctrines are the problem!??)

[3] And now, O inhabitants of Jerusalem, and men of Judah, judge, I pray you, [[betwixt me]] and [[my vineyard.]]

(and in verse 7 it tell's us that [[His Vineyard IS THE HOUSE]] of Israel)

[4] What could have been done more to my vineyard, that I have not done in it? wherefore, when I looked that it should bring forth grapes, brought it forth wild grapes?

(and what are you saying about this Vineyard???)
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Matt. 25 & Matt. 10 has it said this way:
It say's that they all stayed put while we found the REMNANT starting up the Acts church!:yes

Even notice Matt. 23:1-2 for Christ commands...
[1] Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
[2] Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
[3] [[[All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do]]]; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

Perhaps SDA know who it was that started up the New Acts extended Church?? If not? see that Matt. 10 is the answer for the ALL SLEEPING of the Matt. 25 parable of VIRGINS. Start with verse 5-6 on to verse 15 and you 'shall' see the MIDNIGHT CRY's FALLING AWAY! (but notice who stayed put & who went OUT TO MEET HIM, and the door was shut! (but that is not your posted message!)

And the Re: was pertaining to just this of the 2300 day prophecy.;)

--Elijah